I SEE TWO CHURCHES IN ACTS 15

[amigo de christo]

It says the Gentiles would enter the kingdom based on how they treated believing Israel
The Gentile goats who cursed Israel faced the white throne

the way you speak
proves you have long sat under men . And i would not be the least bit surprised
if that be the nar realm who has long preached Trump as the savoir of israel .
NOW if this b e the case , GET OUT now while there still be time .
Cause it wont be peace n sa fety for those who gathered un der this big ol ecumeincal plan
that was long the plan of the RCC and the UN , And oh yeah even trump n vance play a massive part in it .
ITS ALL A DELUSION NOW that has simply been sent
to the decieved . And beleive me its peace is NOT OF GOD
but had its peace been the peace of GOD
the unholy lie of the abrham peace accords had never b een in it .
JESUS WOUL have been preached , NOT A LIE . there will be no peace unto the wicked
adn the only way to have peace with GOD , OH YEAH YOU GOTS TO BELEIvE ON KING JESUS .
WE been duped folks . and this delusion grows only stronger by the day and by teh hour .

 

[Justified]

Those Gentiles in Acts 10 could not be in the body of Christ for two reasons; the body wasnt formed until Paul; the gospel Paul preached was a mystery which means it was hid until revealed thru Paul
As far as Pentecost yes their were proselytes who became obedient to God's covenant for Israel that doesnt make them Gentiles in the body they were part if believing Israel

The gospel wasn't a mystery; it was taught in the gospels. The mystery, as Paul makes clear, is that the Gentiles would be added as well.

Eph 3:6 This mystery is that the Gentiles are fellow heirs, members of the same body, and partakers of the promise in Christ Jesus through the gospel.

Notice that Paul says "members of the same body," which means that there was already a body, which the Gentiles also became members of. It's the same as here:

Rom 11:17 But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, although a wild olive shoot, were grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing root of the olive tree,
Rom 11:18 do not be arrogant toward the branches. If you are, remember it is not you who support the root, but the root that supports you.
Rom 11:19 Then you will say, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.”
...
Rom 11:24 For if you were cut from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and grafted, contrary to nature, into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, the natural branches, be grafted back into their own olive tree.

One tree, with the Gentiles grafted. That is consistent with one church, with the Gentiles added in, and one body, with the Gentiles added in.

It says the Gentiles would enter the kingdom based on how they treated believing Israel
The Gentile goats who cursed Israel faced the white throne

So, salvation by works it is, which means you don't understand the gospel at all.

 

[LoveYeshua]

[Romans 16:25 KJV] "Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,"
[Ephesians 6:19 KJV] "And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,"
These verses say the gospel Paul preaches is a mystery which means the Jews in the wilderness could not have been given his gospel. It was a mystery hid and not revealed til Pau

The mistake here is equating “mystery” with “never preached before.” Scripture does not define mystery that way.

Jesus Himself says the gospel was preached before Paul.

“Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.”
John 8:56 KJV

Abraham did not know every detail, but he knew the promise. That is the gospel in seed form.

Jesus also said Moses wrote about Him:

“For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.”
John 5:46 KJV

So Moses preached Christ in promise and shadow.

Hebrews is explicit:

“For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them…”
Hebrews 4:2 KJV

The verse does not say “a different gospel.” It says the gospel, but it did not profit them because it was not mixed with faith.

Acts confirms this:

“This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness… who received the lively oracles of God.”
Acts 7:38 KJV

There was a church. There was a gospel. There was God’s Word. The problem was unbelief, not lack of revelation.

A “mystery” in Scripture means something promised long ago but later revealed clearly, not something completely unknown.

Jesus said this plainly:

“Blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.”
Matthew 13:16 KJV

Same gospel. Greater light.

The gospel was promised before, revealed fully in Christ, and preached openly after.
Not two gospels. Not a new one invented later.

One gospel.
One people of God.
One faith, revealed in stages, fulfilled in Jesus.

 

[GRACE ambassador]

@GRACE ambassador = the LORD wants you to place your trust in HIM, for HIS WORD is TRUTH

Amen! And That Truth, Rightly Divided For "Approval Unto God!!"

[Romans 16:25 KJV] "Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,"
[Ephesians 6:19 KJV] "And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,"
These verses say the gospel Paul preaches is a mystery which means the Jews in the wilderness could not have been given his gospel. It was a mystery hid and not revealed til Paul

Amen!! Interesting is the 'pronoun' Christ Gave Paul To Record: "my Gospel" A thinking person would
wonder Why Would God "Do That"?

Same gospel. Greater light.

The gospel was promised before, revealed fully in Christ, and preached openly after.
Not two gospels. Not a new one invented later.

So then, 'your' Correction ( Of Scripture ) would be to make "my" into "our" So Then the twelve and the
One apostle(s) are ALL "preaching the Exact SAME" thing? Doug and I, seeking God's Approval, would
Disagree, because of:

God's Approval/TWO Different Gospels In Prophecy vs Mystery

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And, precious friend(s), Please Be Very Richly Encouraged and Edified
In The Lord Jesus Christ and In His Precious Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided:

The Bible: The BIG Picture

Amen.

 

[Ezra]

There WERE two
Israel"s church diminshed along with the temporary fall of Israel

Israel was never the Church .the Church was not formed till Pentecost

 

[David in NJ]

Amen! And That Truth, Rightly Divided For "Approval Unto God!!"

Amen!! Interesting is the 'pronoun' Christ Gave Paul To Record: "my Gospel" A thinking person would
wonder Why Would God "Do That"?

So then, 'your' Correction ( Of Scripture ) would be to make "my" into "our" So Then the twelve and the
One apostle(s) are ALL "preaching the Exact SAME" thing? Doug and I, seeking God's Approval, would
Disagree, because of:

God's Approval/TWO Different Gospels In Prophecy vs Mystery

----------

And, precious friend(s), Please Be Very Richly Encouraged and Edified
In The Lord Jesus Christ and In His Precious Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided:

The Bible: The BIG Picture

Amen.

Dear Ga, are you my Brother or Sister in Christ?

 

[amigo de christo]

Amen! And That Truth, Rightly Divided For "Approval Unto God!!"

Amen!! Interesting is the 'pronoun' Christ Gave Paul To Record: "my Gospel" A thinking person would
wonder Why Would God "Do That"?

So then, 'your' Correction ( Of Scripture ) would be to make "my" into "our" So Then the twelve and the
One apostle(s) are ALL "preaching the Exact SAME" thing? Doug and I, seeking God's Approval, would
Disagree, because of:

God's Approval/TWO Different Gospels In Prophecy vs Mystery

----------

And, precious friend(s), Please Be Very Richly Encouraged and Edified
In The Lord Jesus Christ and In His Precious Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided:

The Bible: The BIG Picture

Amen.

Yes indeed the gospel of the Kingdom of GOD and of CHRIST was the gospel of the twelve
and of paul and of every believing sheep . To the trenches one and all .

 

[Doug]

The gospel wasn't a mystery; it was taught in the gospels.

Scripture says Paul's gospel is a mystery so it couldn't be in the gospels because Paul's gospel wasn't revealed to him during that time....................
[Romans 16:25 KJV] "Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,"
[Ephesians 6:19 KJV] "And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,"

 

[Doug]

The mystery, as Paul makes clear, is that the Gentiles would be added as well.

The mystery wasnt that Gentiles would be saved, they always could be saved thru Israel. The mystery was they would be included along with Israel in the newly formed body of Christ and be one new man

 

[amigo de christo]

Dear Ga, are you my Brother or Sister in Christ?

Strap all armour on and be watching and be ready .
Let all who name the name of JESUS CHRIST contend with upmost urgency the one true faith that was long
long ago delivered unto the saints .

 

[Doug]

Rom 11:17 But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, although a wild olive shoot, were grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing root of the olive tree,
Rom 11:18 do not be arrogant toward the branches. If you are, remember it is not you who support the root, but the root that supports you.
Rom 11:19 Then you will say, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.”
...
Rom 11:24 For if you were cut from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and grafted, contrary to nature, into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, the natural branches, be grafted back into their own olive tree.

One tree, with the Gentiles grafted. That is consistent with one church, with the Gentiles added in, and one body, with the Gentiles added in.

The Gentiles grafted in are not Gentiles in the body, they are the Gentiles that became part of the remnant of Israel who believed Peter's preaching in Acts 10

[Romans 11:5 KJV] "Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace."...........Paul is talking about the existing remnant of Israel that the Gentiles were grafted into

 

[Doug]

So, salvation by works it is, which means you don't understand the gospel at all.

First of all the Gentiles were saved to enter the earthly kingdom not justification unto eternal life
Secondly this is a national salvation not individual salvation its the Gentile nations

 

[amigo de christo]

its very obvious that doug is in dire trouble and danger .
TO all who name the name of CHRIST
we had better get back to the preaching of the one true gospel
that ALL the apostels , to later include paul ,
PREACHED to every jew and every gentile .
Looks like ol doug is being set up for the wrong peace plan . as are many others i might add .

 

[David in NJ]

its very obvious that doug is in dire trouble and danger .
TO all who name the name of CHRIST
we had better get back to the preaching of the one true gospel
that ALL the apostels , to later include paul ,
PREACHED to every jew and every gentile .
Looks like ol doug is being set up for the wrong peace plan . as are many others i might add .

"they received not the love of the Truth"

 

[amigo de christo]

"they received not the love of the Truth"

they receieved not the love of THE TRUTH whereby they might be Saved . and thus a delusion is sent to believe a lie .
And how much do you bet the lie DENIES the dire need TO BELEIVE ON JESUS
and rather merges all religions as one by cliam we all serve the same GOD . AS ONE peoples
Much like the days OF NIMROD .
Seems to me a big delusio n is at work
and the false religions are buying into it as well as the decieved within christendom .
Guess what the false religoins and the decieved within christendom have in common .
TEHY ALL DECIEVED and do follow the same god . ONLY do i need to explain to you why that god was not
and shall not and will not be capitlized on my watch , by my tongue or fingers .
cause IT AINT GOD . its all delusion and that which is of anti christ
to lead the decieved of this world to be as one with one purpose they all beleive will usher in upon them all
The g reat and might day of PEACE N SAFETY .
Kinda like king ahab , whose heeded the false prophets , who all were under a LYING SPIRIT sent by GOD
to decieve him to Go up and be destroyed .
THIS IS NO diffferent and its end will not be peace n safety , BUT SUDDEN destruction ,as in THEIR OWN .
love a lie and pay the price . TIME to BUY the TRUTH and sell HER NOT .

 

[Doug]

The mistake here is equating “mystery” with “never preached before.”

If was preached before it couldnt be a mystery

 

[Doug]

The mistake here is equating “mystery” with “never preached before.” Scripture does not define mystery that way.

Jesus Himself says the gospel was preached before Paul.


Abraham did not know every detail, but he knew the promise. That is the gospel in seed form.

Jesus also said Moses wrote about Him:


So Moses preached Christ in promise and shadow.

Hebrews is explicit:


The verse does not say “a different gospel.” It says the gospel, but it did not profit them because it was not mixed with faith.

Acts confirms this:


There was a church. There was a gospel. There was God’s Word. The problem was unbelief, not lack of revelation.

A “mystery” in Scripture means something promised long ago but later revealed clearly, not something completely unknown.

Jesus said this plainly:


Same gospel. Greater light.

The gospel was promised before, revealed fully in Christ, and preached openly after.
Not two gospels. Not a new one invented later.

One gospel.
One people of God.
One faith, revealed in stages, fulfilled in Jesus.

The twelve only preached to believe in his name not the cross
Only Paul preaches that Christ died and rose for all Not just Israel
Only Paul preached salvation by faith in Christ alone without the law without covenants without going thru Israel

 

[David in NJ]

If was preached before it couldnt be a mystery

The Righteousness of GOD is a Mystery = 1 Timothy 3:16

The Gospel was preached by God in Genesis chapters 2 & 3

Then God preached the Gospel thru Abel

Then God preached the Gospel thru Enoch

Then God preached the Gospel thru Noah

Then God preached the Gospel thru Job

Then God preached the Gospel thru Abraham

Then God preached the Gospel thru Moses

Then God preached the Gospel thru the OT prophets

FINALITY of the Gospel preached and Demonstrated by/in CHRIST

This FINALITY was Given to the Apostles = and to us who KNOW HIM

 

[David in NJ]

The mistake here is equating “mystery” with “never preached before.” Scripture does not define mystery that way.

Jesus Himself says the gospel was preached before Paul.


Abraham did not know every detail, but he knew the promise. That is the gospel in seed form.

Jesus also said Moses wrote about Him:


So Moses preached Christ in promise and shadow.

Hebrews is explicit:


The verse does not say “a different gospel.” It says the gospel, but it did not profit them because it was not mixed with faith.

Acts confirms this:


There was a church. There was a gospel. There was God’s Word. The problem was unbelief, not lack of revelation.

A “mystery” in Scripture means something promised long ago but later revealed clearly, not something completely unknown.

Jesus said this plainly:


Same gospel. Greater light.

The gospel was promised before, revealed fully in Christ, and preached openly after.
Not two gospels. Not a new one invented later.

One gospel.
One people of God.
One faith, revealed in stages, fulfilled in Jesus.

AMEN


Then all the multitude kept silent and listened to Barnabas and Paul declaring how many miracles and wonders God had worked through them among the Gentiles. 13And after they had become silent, James answered, saying, “Men and brethren, listen to me: 14Simon has declared how God at the first visited the Gentiles to take out of them a people for His name. 15And with this the words of the prophets agree, just as it is written:

16‘After this I will return
And will rebuild the tabernacle of David, which has fallen down;
I will rebuild its ruins,
And I will set it up;
17So that the rest of mankind may seek the Lord,
Even all the Gentiles who are called by My name,
Says the Lord who does all these things.’
18“Known to God from eternity are all His works

 

[Doug]

The Righteousness of GOD is a Mystery = 1 Timothy 3:16

The Gospel was preached by God in Genesis chapters 2 & 3

Then God preached the Gospel thru Abel

Then God preached the Gospel thru Enoch

Then God preached the Gospel thru Noah

Then God preached the Gospel thru Job

Then God preached the Gospel thru Abraham

Then God preached the Gospel thru Moses

Then God preached the Gospel thru the OT prophets

FINALITY of the Gospel preached and Demonstrated by/in CHRIST

This FINALITY was Given to the Apostles = and to us who KNOW HIM

Then how can Paul say the gospel was a mystery?
How could they preach Paul's gospel if it was hid in God which Paul said was not made known until NOW made known?
[Ephesians 3:5 KJV] "Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;"