THE GOSPEL AND HEALING

[Doug]

yes he did, but in one verse only? Doug, can you find others?

I dont know if it went thru try again

PAUL REFLECTS THE TEN COMMANDMENTS​

In Case here is the content

[Rom 7:12-13 KJV] 12 Wherefore the law [is] holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. 13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.

Paul did not make void the law but in fact the ten commandments are reflected in his epistles.

1. Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

[1Co 8:6 KJV] 6 But to us [there is but] one God, the Father, of whom [are] all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom [are] all things, and we by him.

2. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

[1Co 5:11 KJV] 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

3. Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

[1Ti 6:1 KJV] 1 Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honour, that the name of God and [his] doctrine be not blasphemed.

4. Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

There is no commandment to observe the sabbath.

5. Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.

[Eph 6:1-2 KJV] 1 Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right. 2 Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise;)

6. Thou shalt not kill.

[Rom 13:9-10 KJV] 9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if [there be] any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love [is] the fulfilling of the law.

[Gal 5:19-21, 24 KJV] 19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are [these]; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told [you] in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. ... 24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

7. Thou shalt not commit adultery.

[Rom 13:9 KJV] 9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if [there be] any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

8. Thou shalt not steal.

[Eph 4:28 KJV] 28 Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with [his] hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.

9. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

[Tit 2:3 KJV] 3 The aged women likewise, that [they be] in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;

10. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour’s.

[Col 3:5 KJV] 5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:

 

[Doug]

Let’s be clear: salvation is not something added later or restricted to Paul’s writings. Jesus Himself taught the message of life, forgiveness, and salvation long before Paul was called. The verses I shared—from John 14, 15, 16, and Matthew 28—are universal, not limited to Israel. Jesus said, “Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations” (Matthew 28:19, ASV). His promise to be with His followers is for everyone who follows Him, everywhere.

I would never imply any such thing God has always saved by grace through faith
Israel was saved through faith in his name

 

[Doug]

The claim that salvation is only through “Paul’s gospel” ignores what Jesus Himself taught. He commanded the disciples to preach repentance, forgiveness of sins, and faith in Him to all nations (Luke 24:46–47, ASV). These instructions came directly from Jesus, not Paul, and they apply to all people, Jew and Gentile alike.

You left out remission of sins in his name
Only Paul preaches salvation by believing his gospel that Christ died for our sins and rose for our justification

 

[Doug]

After His resurrection, Jesus said: “Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day; and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem” (Luke 24:46–47, ASV). Here, Jesus clearly ties His suffering and resurrection to repentance and forgiveness of sins, and to the mission of preaching to all nations. That is the purpose.

You cant tie them together
It behooved him to suffer and rise is one thing
It behooved him also that remission of sins should be preached in his name only

 

[Doug]

Every time Jesus spoke of being lifted up (John 3:14–15) or of giving His flesh for the life of the world (John 6:51), He was explaining what His death accomplishes—life, forgiveness, and the restoration of humanity to God.

BUT it doesnt say any of this

 

[Doug]

So it is false to say Jesus never explained the purpose. He said it clearly: repentance, forgiveness, salvation, and life come through His death and resurrection. That is the gospel, straight from His own words, why do you ignore them?

I dont ignore anything
Scripture doesnt support what you say it does

 

[Doug]

@Doug
I wont have much time to answer multiple questions today but could answer 2 or 3 later today if you have.

Blessings.

No problem
whatever works for you

 

[GRACE ambassador]

So salvation is rooted in Jesus’ words, His name, His mission, and His promises, not in later writings attributed to anyone else. Anyone who trusts in Jesus’ teaching—His cross, resurrection, and life-giving Spirit—follows the path He Himself laid out.

Precious friend, the fact still remains, causing Confusion about "which Specific Commands" Are To Be
Obeyed In Two Different Gospels, eh?:

I have decided to follow Jesus?​

And, precious friend(s), Please Be Very Richly Encouraged and Edified
In The Lord Jesus Christ and In His Precious Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided:

The Bible: The BIG Picture

Amen.

 

[LoveYeshua]

I dont ignore anything
Scripture doesnt support what you say it does

Doug, i can see what i write from scripture does nit please you and perhaps even stresses you, it was not my intent, so lets leave it as is for now, you can get back to me at another time perhaps.

Peace be with you

 

[Doug]

Doug, i can see what i write from scripture does nit please you and perhaps even stresses you, it was not my intent, so lets leave it as is for now, you can get back to me at another time perhaps.

Peace be with you

What you write doesn't displease or stress me what you write needs to be evaluated and responded to. To think you have eternal life by keeping what Jesus commanded Israel, which included the law, maybe Biblical but is not dispensational.
If you want to stop the discussion that's up to you. I am open to further discussion anytime.

 

[LoveYeshua]

What you write doesn't displease or stress me what you write needs to be evaluated and responded to. To think you have eternal life by keeping what Jesus commanded Israel, which included the law, maybe Biblical but is not dispensational.
If you want to stop the discussion that's up to you. I am open to further discussion anytime.

ok, ill be frank here with you because I like you and want to help, we have discussed this before and I have given the verses for this. you are mistaken on an important point that prevents you from moving forward it is a serious stumbling block for you and is still there:

when you say" To think you have eternal life by keeping what Jesus commanded Israel, which included the law, maybe Biblical but is not dispensational."

i just want to discuss today the part in bold:To think you have eternal life by keeping what Jesus commanded Israel. yes it is biblical and VALID what jesus said is for all who believe in Him, Jews and Gentiles that is the message Jesus spoke of always, yes he came to his people First he said so but he said also he had other sheep ( the gentiles) here you cannot constrain Jesus message and actions to one time frame. Jesus being God is eternal and does not change and He wants to save everyone. look at all the verses for the " great comission" if is evident he did send the 12 to Preach ALL HE DID AND SAID to ALL nations. until you agree that Jesus message is universal you will never move forward and grow in the faith, you MUST resolve this. please examine this closely as I know you can.

If you are one of the sheep belonging to Jesus given to him by GOD, Doug and I believe you are, you better listen with an open and willing heart to Jesus and believe ALL he said and all he did by heart and DO as he asked.

You need to clarify this first to move forward.

 

[Doug]

ok, ill be frank here with you because I like you and want to help, we have discussed this before and I have given the verses for this. you are mistaken on an important point that prevents you from moving forward it is a serious stumbling block for you and is still there:

when you say" To think you have eternal life by keeping what Jesus commanded Israel, which included the law, maybe Biblical but is not dispensational."

i just want to discuss today the part in bold:To think you have eternal life by keeping what Jesus commanded Israel. yes it is biblical and VALID what jesus said is for all who believe in Him, Jews and Gentiles that is the message Jesus spoke of always, yes he came to his people First he said so but he said also he had other sheep ( the gentiles) here you cannot constrain Jesus message and actions to one time frame. Jesus being God is eternal and does not change and He wants to save everyone. look at all the verses for the " great comission" if is evident he did send the 12 to Preach ALL HE DID AND SAID to ALL nations. until you agree that Jesus message is universal you will never move forward and grow in the faith, you MUST resolve this. please examine this closely as I know you can.

If you are one of the sheep belonging to Jesus given to him by GOD, Doug and I believe you are, you better listen with an open and willing heart to Jesus and believe ALL he said and all he did by heart and DO as he asked.

You need to clarify this first to move forward.

I have a request
Please tell me how are we saved what is the gospel?
I may have asked in the past but I dont remember
What is the gospel please

 

[LoveYeshua]

I have a request
Please tell me how are we saved what is the gospel?
I may have asked in the past but I dont remember
What is the gospel please

Of course, happy to help.

Generally, we are saved by believing all that Jesus did and all that He said, and that belief also means doing. I do not mean a passive belief. All that Jesus said can still be applied today, and this is what we are called to do as true believers. we must take his teachings as a whole, all he said and did rgives the full picture of the message, the gospel.

To be more specific on one important point, Jesus spent a good part of His ministry teaching the Ten Commandments, which God Himself called the Covenant. Jesus came not only to affirm the Ten Commandments, but to teach how to follow them properly, not by the strict letter written on stone, but by following them from the heart, with love, mercy, and compassion.

A clear saying of Jesus shows this very well. A rich young ruler asked Jesus what he must do to have eternal life, and Jesus answered him clearly. The verses are below, and as you will see, they are repeated in three books of the Bible because they are extremely important for salvation.

Matthew 19:16–22 (ASV)

And behold, one came to him and said, Teacher, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
And he said unto him, Why askest thou me concerning that which is good? One there is who is good: but if thou wouldest enter into life, keep the commandments.
He saith unto him, Which? And Jesus said, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Honor thy father and thy mother; and, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.
The young man saith unto him, All these things have I observed: what lack I yet?
Jesus said unto him, If thou wouldest be perfect, go, sell that which thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.
But when the young man heard the saying, he went away sorrowful; for he was one that had great possessions.

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Mark 10:17–22 (ASV)

And as he was going forth into the way, there ran one to him, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Teacher, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?
And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good save one, even God.
Thou knowest the commandments, Do not kill, Do not commit adultery, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Do not defraud, Honor thy father and mother.
And he said unto him, Teacher, all these things have I observed from my youth.
And Jesus looking upon him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.
But his countenance fell at the saying, and he went away sorrowful: for he was one that had great possessions.

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Luke 18:18–23 (ASV)

And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, even God.
Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honor thy father and mother.
And he said, All these things have I observed from my youth up.
And when Jesus heard it, he said unto him, One thing thou lackest yet: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.
But when he heard these things, he became exceeding sorrowful; for he was very rich.

Now do not be distracted by the young man not wanting to sell all he had, is simply meant he was more attached to his material possessions than walking in truth with Jesus. and selling all we have is not a commandment, Jesus knows we need them but we should never place them above God


the lesson here is Jesus clearly said, if you want to enter into life ( eternal life) keep the commandments. this was made very clear. he answered the question (Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?)directly. Jesus listed the commandments as the answer! some will argue he did not list them all but we know He was speaking to a Jew and they all knew them by heart. he did not need to repeat them all, they knew what he meant, the Ten Commandments!

 

[Doug]

the lesson here is Jesus clearly said, if you want to enter into life ( eternal life) keep the commandments. this was made very clear. he answered the question (Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?)directly. Jesus listed the commandments as the answer! some will argue he did not list them all but we know He was speaking to a Jew and they all knew them by heart. he did not need to repeat them all, they knew what he meant, the Ten Commandments!

You said we are saved by doing all Jesus commanded. Jesus said to keep the ten commandments, but the ten commandments are just part of the law. Here is what Jesus said about the law...............[Matthew 5:17 KJV] "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil."
[Matthew 5:18 KJV] "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."
[Matthew 5:19 KJV] "Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.".............Yes Jesus said to keep the commandments because they were contained in the law, but to keep Jesus's commandments you have to obey this as well and you have to keep the whole law. There are 613 commandments in the law that must be obeyed, Israel couldn't do it do you think you can?

 

[LoveYeshua]

You said we are saved by doing all Jesus commanded. Jesus said to keep the ten commandments, but the ten commandments are just part of the law. Here is what Jesus said about the law...............[Matthew 5:17 KJV] "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil."
[Matthew 5:18 KJV] "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."
[Matthew 5:19 KJV] "Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.".............Yes Jesus said to keep the commandments because they were contained in the law, but to keep Jesus's commandments you have to obey this as well and you have to keep the whole law. There are 613 commandments in the law that must be obeyed, Israel couldn't do it do you think you can?

First, Jesus makes clear that Gentiles are included in God’s plan. He speaks of “other sheep not of this fold” who will hear His voice (John 10:16, ASV). He also commands His disciples to teach all nations to observe what He commanded (Matthew 28:19–20, ASV). So Gentiles are not outside God’s will or standards.

Now about the Law of Moses. The Law has different parts. Some parts marked Israel as a nation, like circumcision, food laws, temple sacrifices, feast rituals. These were signs given to Israel for a time and place. Gentiles were never required to become Jews or take on Israel’s national signs.

But the heart of the law is different. Jesus constantly points to this. He says the greatest commandments are to love God and to love your neighbor (Matthew 22:37–40, ASV). He says, “If ye love me, ye will keep my commandments” (John 14:15, ASV). These are not Jewish-only rules. They are God’s moral truth for all people.

Jesus also says that what defiles a person comes from the heart: evil thoughts, murder, adultery, theft, lying (Matthew 15:18–20, ASV). These are all things already condemned in the Law of Moses, especially in the Ten Commandments. Jesus applies them to everyone, not only Jews.

When the apostles dealt with Gentiles, they did not tell them to ignore God’s law. They told them to turn from idols, sexual immorality, and blood (Acts 15:19–20, ASV). These are basic moral commands found in Moses and taught by Jesus. James explains that Moses is read every Sabbath, meaning Gentiles would continue learning God’s ways over time (Acts 15:21, ASV).

So the simple answer is this. Gentiles are not required to keep Israel’s national and ritual laws. But Gentiles are absolutely called to obey God’s moral law as taught by Jesus. Sin is still sin. Love, truth, faithfulness, mercy, and obedience still matter.

Jesus did not lower God’s standards for Gentiles. He brought Gentiles into the same call to repentance, obedience, and life from the heart. God has one way of righteousness, and Jesus is the teacher of it for everyone.

 

[Doug]

Now about the Law of Moses. The Law has different parts. Some parts marked Israel as a nation, like circumcision, food laws, temple sacrifices, feast rituals. These were signs given to Israel for a time and place. Gentiles were never required to become Jews or take on Israel’s national signs.

You said...............Generally, we are saved by believing all that Jesus did and all that He said, and that belief also means doing.

Did you not say to believe and obey all Jesus said?
Didn't Jesus say to keep even the least of the commandments of the law here "Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven:"
Did Jesus make any exceptions?
Now you say well, some of the law was for Israel only back then and Gentiles are exempt just like you said you dont have to sell all that was just for back then
Cant have it both ways, either you obey ALL Jesus and the law say or not. Sorry but if I wanted to know how you say we are saved I wouldn't know how to be

 

[LoveYeshua]

You said...............Generally, we are saved by believing all that Jesus did and all that He said, and that belief also means doing.

Did you not say to believe and obey all Jesus said?
Didn't Jesus say to keep even the least of the commandments of the law here "Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven:"
Did Jesus make any exceptions?
Now you say well, some of the law was for Israel only back then and Gentiles are exempt just like you said you dont have to sell all that was just for back then
Cant have it both ways, either you obey ALL Jesus and the law say or not. Sorry but if I wanted to know how you say we are saved I wouldn't know how to be

i explained in my last post, the 1O commandments stands! some of the rest of the laws of Moses might as well but not some parts of it, I suggest you to through them yourself and identify the ones we gentiles can keep, you will soon see many we cannot keep. I have not compiled a list but this i will do eventually but i can give you a summary I made for this study.

Here is a clear and simple way to understand it. Not everything in the Law of Moses was meant to be practiced by Gentiles, but some parts clearly still apply, because Jesus Himself taught and confirmed them.

Here are some categories with only partial examples this is NOT a complete list

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1. The ten commandments, also called the Moral law(these apply to everyone)​

These laws show right and wrong. Jesus taught these directly and often made them deeper by speaking about the heart.

Examples:

• Do not murder
• Do not commit adultery
• Do not steal
• Do not lie
• Do not covet
• Honor father and mother
• Love God
• Love your neighbor

Jesus repeats and strengthens these:

• “Thou shalt not kill… thou shalt not commit adultery” (Matthew 5, ASV)
• “All things therefore whatsoever ye would that men should do unto you, even so do ye also unto them” (Matthew 7:12, ASV)

These come mainly from the Ten Commandments and are clearly for all people, Jew and Gentile.

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2. Laws about love, mercy, and justice (these apply to everyone)​

These laws explain how love looks in daily life.

Examples:

• Care for the poor and weak
• Be fair and honest
• Do not oppress others
• Show mercy
• Help your neighbor

Jesus taught this constantly:

• “Blessed are the merciful” (Matthew 5:7, ASV)
• “Go ye and learn what this meaneth, I desire mercy, and not sacrifice” (Matthew 9:13, ASV)

These laws show God’s character, not Israel’s nationality.

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3. Laws that define sin (these still matter)​

Many laws exist to identify sin, even if the punishment system is no longer applied the same way.

Examples:

• Sexual immorality
• Idolatry
• Violence
• Dishonesty
• Injustice

Jesus confirms these:

• “Out of the heart come forth evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness” (Matthew 15:19, ASV)

If something is still called sin by Jesus, it still matters!!

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4. Civil and national laws of Israel (not required for Gentiles)​

These laws governed Israel as a nation, with judges, land, and penalties.

Examples:

• How courts should sentence criminals
• Land inheritance rules
• Penalties like stoning
• Laws tied to Israel’s kings and borders

Gentiles were never part of Israel’s government, so these do not apply today.

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5. Temple, sacrifice, and priesthood laws (not practiced today)​

These laws were tied to:

• The temple
• Animal sacrifices
• Levitical priests

Examples:

• Burnt offerings
• Sin offerings
• Temple rituals
• Priest-only duties

Jesus fulfilled these by His life and sacrifice, and the temple no longer stands. Even Jews cannot practice these today.

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6. Food, clothing, and ritual identity laws (not required for Gentiles)​

These laws marked Israel as a separate nation.

Examples:

• Circumcision
• Clean and unclean foods
• Mixed fabrics
• Ritual washings

Jesus makes clear these do not define righteousness:

• “Not that which entereth into the mouth defileth the man” (Matthew 15:11, ASV)

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Simple summary​

A Gentile today can and should keep:

• Moral laws
• Love and mercy laws
• Laws that define sin
• Everything Jesus taught and confirmed

A Gentile is not required to keep:

• Israel’s national laws
• Temple and sacrifice laws
• Ritual identity laws

In simple words:
Gentiles are not called to become Israelites.
They are called to become obedient followers of Jesus.

And Jesus never taught a faith that ignores obedience.

 

[Doug]

i explained in my last post, the 1O commandments stands! some of the rest of the laws of Moses might as well but not some parts of it, I suggest you to through them yourself and identify the ones we gentiles can keep, you will soon see many we cannot keep. I have not compiled a list but this i will do eventually but i can give you a summary I made for this study.

Here is a clear and simple way to understand it. Not everything in the Law of Moses was meant to be practiced by Gentiles, but some parts clearly still apply, because Jesus Himself taught and confirmed them.

Here are some categories with only partial examples this is NOT a complete list

---

1. The ten commandments, also called the Moral law(these apply to everyone)​

These laws show right and wrong. Jesus taught these directly and often made them deeper by speaking about the heart.

Examples:

• Do not murder
• Do not commit adultery
• Do not steal
• Do not lie
• Do not covet
• Honor father and mother
• Love God
• Love your neighbor

Jesus repeats and strengthens these:

• “Thou shalt not kill… thou shalt not commit adultery” (Matthew 5, ASV)
• “All things therefore whatsoever ye would that men should do unto you, even so do ye also unto them” (Matthew 7:12, ASV)

These come mainly from the Ten Commandments and are clearly for all people, Jew and Gentile.

---

2. Laws about love, mercy, and justice (these apply to everyone)​

These laws explain how love looks in daily life.

Examples:

• Care for the poor and weak
• Be fair and honest
• Do not oppress others
• Show mercy
• Help your neighbor

Jesus taught this constantly:

• “Blessed are the merciful” (Matthew 5:7, ASV)
• “Go ye and learn what this meaneth, I desire mercy, and not sacrifice” (Matthew 9:13, ASV)

These laws show God’s character, not Israel’s nationality.

---

3. Laws that define sin (these still matter)​

Many laws exist to identify sin, even if the punishment system is no longer applied the same way.

Examples:

• Sexual immorality
• Idolatry
• Violence
• Dishonesty
• Injustice

Jesus confirms these:

• “Out of the heart come forth evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness” (Matthew 15:19, ASV)

If something is still called sin by Jesus, it still matters!!

---

4. Civil and national laws of Israel (not required for Gentiles)​

These laws governed Israel as a nation, with judges, land, and penalties.

Examples:

• How courts should sentence criminals
• Land inheritance rules
• Penalties like stoning
• Laws tied to Israel’s kings and borders

Gentiles were never part of Israel’s government, so these do not apply today.

---

5. Temple, sacrifice, and priesthood laws (not practiced today)​

These laws were tied to:

• The temple
• Animal sacrifices
• Levitical priests

Examples:

• Burnt offerings
• Sin offerings
• Temple rituals
• Priest-only duties

Jesus fulfilled these by His life and sacrifice, and the temple no longer stands. Even Jews cannot practice these today.

---

6. Food, clothing, and ritual identity laws (not required for Gentiles)​

These laws marked Israel as a separate nation.

Examples:

• Circumcision
• Clean and unclean foods
• Mixed fabrics
• Ritual washings

Jesus makes clear these do not define righteousness:

• “Not that which entereth into the mouth defileth the man” (Matthew 15:11, ASV)

---

Simple summary​

A Gentile today can and should keep:

• Moral laws
• Love and mercy laws
• Laws that define sin
• Everything Jesus taught and confirmed

A Gentile is not required to keep:

• Israel’s national laws
• Temple and sacrifice laws
• Ritual identity laws

In simple words:
Gentiles are not called to become Israelites.
They are called to become obedient followers of Jesus.

And Jesus never taught a faith that ignores obedience.

I will address this but I have to watch some olympics

 

[LoveYeshua]

I will address this but I have to watch some olympics

enjoy!

 

[Doug]

Gentiles are not called to become Israelites.
They are called to become obedient followers of Jesus.

[Matthew 5:19 KJV] "Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."..............so you are saying we dont have to apply this to ourselves after all.

What I see is that you say we are to follow Jesus according to the flesh, his earthly ministry, but not everything he says applies to us. Now you do realize that is what I have been asserting all along. I have said there is a difference between Israel and the church (the body of Christ). I say that what Jesus says applies to me if Paul reflects the same things in his epistles. As an example Christ commands..................[John 15:12 KJV] "This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you." ..................Paul commands us as well................. [Romans 13:8 KJV] "Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.".................. I say by following Paul we follow Christ as Paul says.............[1 Corinthians 11:1 KJV] "Be ye followers of me, even as I also [am] of Christ."
[Ephesians 5:1 KJV] "Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;". Are you saying Gentiles don't have to keep the law but Israel still does? They couldn't, the law was intended to show us our sin............[Romans 7:7 KJV] "What shall we say then? [Is] the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet."
[Romans 3:20 KJV] "Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law [is] the knowledge of sin."
You say we don't have to sell all and we don't have to keep all the law and I say we dont have to do anything that Jesus commanded only Israel to obey. We have our doctrine and commands from Jesus written down by Paul.