The "watch rapture view"

[The Light]

Who are "His people"?

What are their identifying characteristics in God's sight?

According to you God must check their DNA to figure out who His people are?

Numbers 25
9 And those that died in the plague were twenty and four thousand.

Were the 24,000 that God slew "His people"?

Sure. And they sinned and suffered the consequences

 

[covenantee]

According to you God must check their DNA to figure out who His people are?


Sure. And they sinned and suffered the consequences

Spiritual DNA.

Two genes.

Faith and obedience.

Nothing else.

They alone are "His people" whom He will never forget.

 

[rvmb]

Lol
Paul's own testimony disagrees with you

11 So whether it was I or they, this is what we preach, and this is what you believed and trusted in and relied on with confidence.

The Corinthians could have easily listened to Peter or one of the others and got the same results as Paul.
It didn't matter to him as long as the Gospel was believed.



Notice the foundations of the New Jerusalem, and the names on them.

14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundation stones, and on them the twelve names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb (Christ).

Does Paul deserve to be included regarding the foundations?

I would say Yes. Sounds appropriate.

List the verses that teach how a believer today is saved.
When ready, list away & let Scripture do the talking :)

 

[The Light]

Spiritual DNA.

Two genes.

Faith and obedience.

Nothing else.

They alone are "His people" whom He will never forget.

You forget there are two folds

Those that know the Lord when He comes will be the first fold.

Then when the fullness of the Gentiles comes in blindness will be removed from part of Israel and they will be the second fold

John 10
14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

The first shall be last and the last shall be first.

 

[covenantee]

You forget there are two folds

Those that know the Lord when He comes will be the first fold.

Then when the fullness of the Gentiles comes in blindness will be removed from part of Israel and they will be the second fold

John 10
14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

The first shall be last and the last shall be first.

You forget God's explicit requisites which identify His people.

Ephesians 2
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Hebrews 11
6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Romans 16
25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

 

[ewq1938]

You just can't make things work out in a proper timeline unless you skip the trumpets and vials of the 7th seal and pretend that the seventh seal is ONLY silence in heaven. Truly makes no sense whatsoever.

It makes plenty of sense. Adding in the trumps and vials into one of the seals is what does not make sense. It shouts Eisegesis.

The seventh seal is the time of God wrath and contains both the trumpets and vials of wrath.

Wrath is not silent.

What? You can't make your timeline work, so you have to constantly change the order of things, skip things, pretend the seals are the trumpets, etc. etc. etc. It's never ending how you change things around.

Sorry. The wrath of God is the 7th seal. It's all over at the 7th trumpet.

No, the wrsth starts at the 7th trump according to Rev 11, which meansd it did not start at the 7th seal.

Revelation 10
7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

Armageddon is already over when the 7th trumpet sounds as the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord.

Armageddon starts that day, against the beast and his army.

Revelation 11
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

You really don't understand what you are reading. You have just pieced things together as you see fit and just skip what you can't figure out.

Everything happens in order.

That verse proves that the wrath did not start way back in one of the seals.

Then why do they have an order. Why do the first six seals fall in exactly the same order as what Jesus tells us in Matthew 24?

Like i said, the first seal is the coming of the AC which is not the first event in the end times so that alone proves the seals were not opened in such an order.

John and Jesus tell us exactly the same story so why do you find a need to change the order in what they tell us.

Why not try to figure out how to make your end times timeline work with the order that both John and Jesus tell us?

I believe Christ expects us to understand the seals were not opened in chronological order. It is your view which wrongly says the wrath of God comes before the time Rev 11 says it comes.

 

[The Light]

It makes plenty of sense. Adding in the trumps and vials into one of the seals is what does not make sense. It shouts Eisegesis.

You are not understanding what you are reading. You pretend the seals are nothing but information. Then when you get to the 7th seal you think it is only silence in heaven and skip all the trumpets and vials of wrath.

The trumpets and vials occur in the same timeframe which is the ONE YEAR wrath of God. You don't realize that the wrath of God is over when the 7th trumpet sounds. Armageddon is already over as the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord. IT IS THE TIME OF JUDGEMENT when the dead are judged. You just skip all that and then just keep reading Revelation 13 and 14 without realizing that Rev 13 and 14 take place in the seals. Rev 15 is another view of Rev 7 and the beginning of Rev 8. Rev 16 is just a different view with additional information of the seventh seal wrath of God.

Wrath is not silent.

Hence, my point is proven.

No, the wrsth starts at the 7th trump according to Rev 11, which meansd it did not start at the 7th seal.

Wrath is over at the 7th trumpet as the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord. It is the time of judgement.

Armageddon starts that day, against the beast and his army.

Armageddon is over when the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord.

Read that and then apply common sense and understand what you are reading.

That verse proves that the wrath did not start way back in one of the seals.

The 7th seal is opened and the trumpets and vials of wrath occur. Simple. At the very least you should understand that when the 7th seal is opened the trumpets of wrath of occur. To understand that the vials happen in the same timeframe, ...............the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord......................Armageddon is over and it is the time of judgement.

Like i said, the first seal is the coming of the AC which is not the first event in the end times so that alone proves the seals were not opened in such an order.

Like I said, you do not understand what you are reading. There are two false Christs. The beast of the earth and the beast of the sea. The beast of the earth will be given the Stephanos crown and be the head of the United Nations. He will be the 7th king. The eighth king comes later and the 7th king will cause the world to worship the eighth king. Both are antichrists.

I believe Christ expects us to understand the seals were not opened in chronological order. It is your view which wrongly says the wrath of God comes before the time Rev 11 says it comes.

Wrath begins with the first trumpet of wrath when the 7th seal is opened.

Revelation 6
17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

If you want to see a different view of the same timeframe it's in Revelation 14. AGAIN wrath begins with the 1st vial.

Revelation 14
19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

It all comes down to you don't understand what you are reading.

 

[The Light]

You forget God's explicit requisites which identify His people.

Ephesians 2
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Hebrews 11
6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Romans 16
25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

Two folds. The first fold is the Gentiles, and second fold is the Jews.

The first shall be last and the last shall be first.

 

[rebuilder 454]

I don't think you are understanding what you are reading. What Jesus tells us in the Olivet Discourse are the first six seals that John has a vision of. So Jesus opens the 1st six seals in order. When the 6th seal is opened, Jesus returns immediately after the tribulation and sends his angels to gather the elect for a harvest. Shown here.

Matthew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

After this harvest, all return to heaven for the marriage supper, hence, a great multitude in heaven. The 7th seal is then opened and the great multitude remains in heaven during the ONE YEAR wrath of God. At the end wrath, the armies of heaven go to the earth, hence Armageddon.

So yes, Jesus leaves heaven at the 6th seal and return with the great multitude and then opens the 7th seal.

Of course, the events aren't happening when they are described. No one is saying they are happening when described. And yes, of course all the events are still future. The events will occur when Jesus actually opens the seals. None of the seals are opened yet.

None of the seals are opened. Jesus tells us in the OD exactly what John tells us in the 1st 6 seals. You keep telling me that it's all prophecy and I already know that.

IT'S ALL PROPHECY. I have no clue why don't understand that I know it's all prophecy. When each seal is actually opened the events of that seal will occur........in the future.

Quote:
"I don't think you are understanding what you are reading. What Jesus tells us in the Olivet Discourse are the first six seals that John has a vision of. So Jesus opens the 1st six seals in order. When the 6th seal is opened, Jesus returns immediately after the tribulation and sends his angels to gather the elect for a harvest. Shown here.
Matthew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory."

You literally made that up.

THE ONLY PLACE Jesus Returns in power and Gray glory is in revelation 19 ,when he comes on the white horses.After the 7 yr trib .( "post wrath")

Jesus returns mid trib in Rev 14;14 to gather the Jews.

You have painted yourself in the proverbial corner with mat 24.

You did it by trying to make things fit strict definitions of "trib" vs "great trib", vs "wrath".

You formed your entire doctrine over strict definitions that caused confusion.

In no way does Jesus come mid trib, (or whatever definition of timeframe you want to call rev14 :14 ) ,in power and great glory.
Rev 14:14, (the mid trib Jewish gathering), is Jesus sitting sedentary on a cloud, holding a sickle.
ZERO POWER AND GREAT GLORY.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Of course there is a 7 year covenant.

But there is only 3.5 years left in the 70th week of Daniel.

Do the math. Don't listen to what you have been told. Do the math.

Take it up with who wrote Dan 9:27.

 

[covenantee]

Two folds. The first fold is the Gentiles, and second fold is the Jews.

The first shall be last and the last shall be first.

Nope. One "His people".

Ephesians 2
14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

Physical DNA irrelevant.

Faith and obedience.

Spiritual DNA.

Nothing else.

All of the Scriptures that I've cited are written in the past or present tense.

They demonstrate the fulfillment of John 10:16 long ago.

 

[rebuilder 454]

How can you possibly make this statement?
How many times am I going to post these verses until the light goes on?

Are you unable to understand that the tribulation is over when the sun and moon are darkened and the stars fall from heaven according to the Word of God below?

Matthew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Are you unable to understand that the 6th seal is opened when the sun and moon are darkened and the stars fall from heaven according to the Word of God below?

Revelation 6
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

From the above scriptures, how are you unable to conclude that the tribulation is over at the 6th seal when the sun of man comes in power and glory?

You have absolutely no scriptural support for you claims and seem unable to take the able scriptures above and apply simple deductive reasoning. I've read a lot of your posts, and you seem fully capable of using simple reasoning to prove a point. How do you not see this?



How can you possibly claim that when Jesus comes with His angels in Revelation 14 that He does not come in power and glory. Would you think that Jesus would show up with His angels an not show up in power and glory.

In Revelation 14 there is no mention of Jesus nail holes in his hand and feet. Does that mean it is not Jesus? Of course not?

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"How can you possibly claim that when Jesus comes with His angels in Revelation 14 that He does not come in power and glory. Would you think that Jesus would show up with His angels an not show up in power and glory.
In Revelation 14 there is no mention of Jesus nail holes in his hand and feet. Does that mean it is not Jesus? Of course not?"

IOW You need it reframed.
Read the ONLY PLACE Jesus shows up in power and great glory.
Ahem...Rev 19
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords.
17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

Now compare that to what you are insisting in Rev 14:14
14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.
15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.
16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

In no way is that Power and great glory.
You saying it is, does not make it so.


++++here is Jesus coming in P.A.G.G.+++++
MAT 24
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

(AFTER THE 7 YR TRIB OF DAN 9:27)
(MID TRIB WE SEE THE AOD AND REV 14:14 GATHERING OF THE JEWS.)
Not any hint of any return in power and great glory MID TRIB ( OR AT REV 14:14)
BTW....You are claiming angels accompany Jesus in Rev 14:14
Nope...one angel, and the angel apparently does not leave heaven.
So no, ...I am sticking with the bible.

You need to rethink your position incorporating all the verses.

 

[rebuilder 454]

How can you possibly make this statement?
How many times am I going to post these verses until the light goes on?

Are you unable to understand that the tribulation is over when the sun and moon are darkened and the stars fall from heaven according to the Word of God below?

Matthew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Are you unable to understand that the 6th seal is opened when the sun and moon are darkened and the stars fall from heaven according to the Word of God below?

Revelation 6
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

From the above scriptures, how are you unable to conclude that the tribulation is over at the 6th seal when the sun of man comes in power and glory?

You have absolutely no scriptural support for you claims and seem unable to take the able scriptures above and apply simple deductive reasoning. I've read a lot of your posts, and you seem fully capable of using simple reasoning to prove a point. How do you not see this?



How can you possibly claim that when Jesus comes with His angels in Revelation 14 that He does not come in power and glory. Would you think that Jesus would show up with His angels an not show up in power and glory.

In Revelation 14 there is no mention of Jesus nail holes in his hand and feet. Does that mean it is not Jesus? Of course not?

QUOTE;
""Revelation 6
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

From the above scriptures, how are you unable to conclude that the tribulation is over at the 6th seal when the sun of man comes in power and glory?

You have absolutely no scriptural support for you claims and seem unable to take the able scriptures above and apply simple deductive reasoning. I've read a lot of your posts, and you seem fully capable of using simple reasoning to prove a point. How do you not see this?""

The seals are the 7yr trib, from the arrival of the AC on a white horse, to the end of the 7 yr trib, with Jesus return on white horses in P-A-G-Glory and the moon, sky, and stars disrupted.
You did not take several things into account.

You redid the 7 yr covenant
You redid the stars, sky ,and moon.
You redid Rev 14:14
You redid trib vs wrath vs great trib.
You redid "power and great glory"

 

[rebuilder 454]

Actually it's one of many keys to understand Rev. The seals only show events that will happen in the trumps. All the seals were opened when Christ ascended in the first century. The seals are knowledge of future events only. Trumps are events that actually happen when a trump sounds. Seals always protected information, while trumps always were used to tell others to take immediate action.

The Seals are the arrival of the a c on the white horse until the second coming at the end of the seven year tribulation, with Jesus and millions of white horses, accompanying Him.
(An overview of the scroll)

 

[ewq1938]

You are not understanding what you are reading. You pretend the seals are nothing but information.

They are, just as they were in the OD.

Then when you get to the 7th seal you think it is only silence in heaven and skip all the trumpets and vials of wrath.'

The seals are seals, the trumps are trumps and vial are vials. There is no such thing as a seal that has trumps and vials in it. The seals are info, the trumps are the action of that info, and the vials are the wrath of God that happen AFTER the trib not during it.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

This is the same recycled premillennial chart-driven speculation Douggg keeps pushing—again and again. It’s built on timelines and diagrams, not on sound biblical exegesis. Nothing could be further from the truth of Scripture. Dressing up assumptions in colorful charts does not make them biblical.

Now, there's something we can agree on.

 

[jeffweeder]

List the verses that teach how a believer today is saved.
When ready, list away & let Scripture do the talking :)

The scriptures I have posted so far haven't been addressed. Neither have the questions.

Regarding the first Gentile convert to the truth that is in Jesus, it was Peter who preached it to him.
How do you feel about this?

 

[rvmb]

The scriptures I have posted so far haven't been addressed. Neither have the questions.

Regarding the first Gentile convert to the truth that is in Jesus, it was Peter who preached it to him.
How do you feel about this?

""Regarding the first Gentile convert to the truth that is in Jesus, it was Peter who preached it to him.""
That was before Paul.
***
Which verses do you believe teach how a believer today is saved/sealed/justified ?

 

[jeffweeder]

""Regarding the first Gentile convert to the truth that is in Jesus, it was Peter who preached it to him.""
That was before Paul.

Exactly.
So Peter's preaching of the Gospel of Jesus saves Gentiles as well right.? That is what THE Gospel is all about.

So why would Paul preach anything different?
His testimony was that it didn't matter who informs you of the truth, as long as its the same Gospel as the one foretold in the OT scriptures. This is Paul's testimony in 1cor 15: 3-11

3 For I passed on to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to [that which] the Scriptures [foretold], 4 and that He was buried, and that He was [bodily] raised on the third day according to [that which] the Scriptures [foretold],

5 and that He appeared to Cephas (Peter), then to the Twelve. 6 After that He appeared to more than five hundred brothers and sisters at one time, the majority of whom are still alive, but some have fallen asleep [in death]. 7 Then He was seen by James, then by all the apostles, 8 and last of all, as to one untimely (prematurely, traumatically) born, He appeared to me also. 9 For I am the least [worthy] of the apostles, and not fit to be called an apostle, because I [at one time] fiercely oppressed and violently persecuted the church of God. 10 But by the [remarkable] grace of God I am what I am, and His grace toward me was not without effect. In fact, I worked harder than all of the apostles, though it was not I, but the grace of God [His unmerited favor and blessing which was] with me.

11 So whether it was I or they, this is what we preach, and this is what you believed and trusted in and relied on with confidence.


Want to share what you think about this?

 

[rvmb]

Exactly.
So Peter's preaching of the Gospel of Jesus saves Gentiles as well right.? That is what THE Gospel is all about.

So why would Paul preach anything different?
His testimony was that it didn't matter who informs you of the truth, as long as its the same Gospel as the one foretold in the OT scriptures. This is Paul's testimony in 1cor 15: 3-11

3 For I passed on to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to [that which] the Scriptures [foretold], 4 and that He was buried, and that He was [bodily] raised on the third day according to [that which] the Scriptures [foretold],

5 and that He appeared to Cephas (Peter), then to the Twelve. 6 After that He appeared to more than five hundred brothers and sisters at one time, the majority of whom are still alive, but some have fallen asleep [in death]. 7 Then He was seen by James, then by all the apostles, 8 and last of all, as to one untimely (prematurely, traumatically) born, He appeared to me also. 9 For I am the least [worthy] of the apostles, and not fit to be called an apostle, because I [at one time] fiercely oppressed and violently persecuted the church of God. 10 But by the [remarkable] grace of God I am what I am, and His grace toward me was not without effect. In fact, I worked harder than all of the apostles, though it was not I, but the grace of God [His unmerited favor and blessing which was] with me.

11 So whether it was I or they, this is what we preach, and this is what you believed and trusted in and relied on with confidence.


Want to share what you think about this?

Exactly.
So Peter's preaching of the Gospel of Jesus saves Gentiles as well right.? That is what THE Gospel is all about.

So why would Paul preach anything different?
His testimony was that it didn't matter who informs you of the truth, as long as its the same Gospel as the one foretold in the OT scriptures. This is Paul's testimony in 1cor 15: 3-11

3 For I passed on to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to [that which] the Scriptures [foretold], 4 and that He was buried, and that He was [bodily] raised on the third day according to [that which] the Scriptures [foretold],

5 and that He appeared to Cephas (Peter), then to the Twelve. 6 After that He appeared to more than five hundred brothers and sisters at one time, the majority of whom are still alive, but some have fallen asleep [in death]. 7 Then He was seen by James, then by all the apostles, 8 and last of all, as to one untimely (prematurely, traumatically) born, He appeared to me also. 9 For I am the least [worthy] of the apostles, and not fit to be called an apostle, because I [at one time] fiercely oppressed and violently persecuted the church of God. 10 But by the [remarkable] grace of God I am what I am, and His grace toward me was not without effect. In fact, I worked harder than all of the apostles, though it was not I, but the grace of God [His unmerited favor and blessing which was] with me.

11 So whether it was I or they, this is what we preach, and this is what you believed and trusted in and relied on with confidence.


Want to share what you think about this?

and the verses that you believe teach the saving Gospel for today is ?