Proper Bible Interpretation of 2 Peter 3:8-10

[TribulationSigns]

There it is again Brethren in Christ! Jewish fablers again that TRY to APPLY those 70 weeks events to Christ's Church!!!

Okay, you have been warned. You are officially in the dungeon of ignore list!

Good bye! :-)

 

[ScottA]

BRETHREN IN CHRIST JESUS:

Well, there's another one that doesn't have a clue as to what Revelation 1:1 is about.

Rev 1:1-3
1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.
3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.
KJV

Did you know brethren in Christ, that the false school of PRETERISM which wrongly interprets all the prophecies in Christ's Book of Revelation as already having been fulfilled, love... to exploit those above phrases in red?

If I say to you, I'm going to buy a house, it will shortly come to pass, or... the time is at hand, just WHEN am I talking about? today, tomorrow, next week, next year, ten years from now?? It's impossible to know for sure just by those phrases. But Preterists don't care, they exploint those phrases anyway, per THEIR AGENDA.

How do you know... what times Apostle John was pointing to by use of those phrases? By actual BIBLE STUDY of the SIGNS given that are to happen in the LAST GENERATION that will SEE Lord Jesus' 2nd coming! And you do know that Lord Jesus DID... give His servants SIGNS of the END for the last generation to be WATCHING leading up to His future return, right? If you do not know about those SIGNS, which are the SAME SIGNS Jesus gave Apostle John in Christ's Book of Revelation, then you truly are hurting as a Christian, and need to really get down to Bible study, for the time is SHORT! There, even I said it.

GEE "BRETHREN", WHAT DO YOU THINK?

Do you think you should 1) Lean on your own understanding; 2) or take the word and interpretation of a student of the Bible, who keeps calling names, and defines "must shortly come to pass" as meaning "in the distant future; 3) or someone who speaks only what is given to him by God, which is God's established method down through the ages; --and which of those would you say is in accord with "he who has an ear let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches?"

Oh...and it might be good to remember what the crowds did to the prophets and to Jesus when they didn't like what they heard.

 

[jeffweeder]

That 70 weeks prophecy is TO BE APPLIED SPECIFICALLY UPON THE JEWS AND JERUSALEM,

The gospel of Jesus atonement, prophesied above, went to Israel first. Jesus said so himself.
The new covenant Gospel of complete atonement was confirmed in the last week by the Lord and then the continuation of his ministry of atonement by the disciples through the anointing of the Holy Spirit.

not the Christian Church!!!

Those of Israel that believed Jesus Gospel became the Church, and Gentiles were added to it after the final 70th week

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Ah... there it is folks, what I warned you about that the FAKES do with their false interpretation of that 70 weeks prophecy. Why is it they FAIL to understand that Daniel was told WHO and WHERE that 70 weeks prophecy is for???

For the JEWS in JERUSALEM. That is who Daniel's people represent.

Dan 9:24
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
KJV

Do you see that above underlined part brethren in Christ?? Does that above mean CHRISTIANS like us who have BELIEVED on Jesus of Nazareth as God's Promised Savior?? NO! of course not!

That 70 weeks prophecy is TO BE APPLIED SPECIFICALLY UPON THE JEWS AND JERUSALEM, not the Christian Church!!!

Did you notice how Spiritual Israelite immediately jumped into TRYING to show those 70 weeks events are about Christ's Church??? And he spent all that time throwing out Bible Scripture in a vain attempt to APPLY those 70 weeks events to Christ's Church when they are meant upon the Jews and Jerusalem.

Thus it's like I said before, the majority... of Jews in TODAY'S Jerusalem still REJECT Lord Jesus as The Christ! Thus there is no way those 70 weeks events have been completed today for the Jews and Jerusalem, and that is who and where that prophecy is to!

More LIES from you. The word that describes you as a person more than any other is that you are a LIAR. You need to repent of your LYING. All the things I said apply to the Jews and Jerusalem. But, we know from the New Testament that things in the Old Testament that applied to them have been applied to Gentile believers as well. Such as the fact that Gentile believers are fellow citizens in the church and Israel of God with Jewish believers and that Gentile believers are fellow heirs with Jewish believers of God's promises. Your IGNORANCE about the New Testament is no excuse for you to LIE about what I'm saying about the prophecy in Daniel 9:24-27. I showed the fulfillment of the six things listed in Daniel 9:24 in the NEW TESTAMENT and you IGNORE it all. To your SHAME.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

And just so you also know, Brethren in Christ, I can cover those Daniel 9:24-27 verses line upon line, phrase by phrase to show... how the 70th week has still yet to be fulfilled today.

But if one can't even get past that very first Daniel 9:24 verse of WHO and WHERE that prophecy is given to and where, then why should I waste time explaining the rest of those Daniel 9:25-27 verses? And to properly cover those one must consult other Chapters in the Book of Daniel about those events also, even Christ's Book of Revelation! So there's a lot to cover to properly give the true interpretation, and God's Word does back it all up.

So when you run into one of these folks that represent those so-called denominations pushing the blasphemy that Lord Jesus fulfilled the 70th final "one week" of placing an IDOL abomination in a stone temple in Jerusalem at the END, then that is how to recognize the false Jews that have crept in unawares in those denominations.

You insist on continually making a FOOL of yourself. How about you take a step back and LEARN from those who have more discernment than you (which is pretty much everyone except pre-tribs) instead of INSISTING on continuing to believe FALSEHOOD because of your OBSESSION with the Jews while you IGNORE that Gentiles have been included in God's promises?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The gospel of Jesus atonement, prophesied above, went to Israel first. Jesus said so himself.
The new covenant Gospel of complete atonement was confirmed in the last week by the Lord and then the continuation of his ministry of atonement by the disciples through the anointing of the Holy Spirit.

Those of Israel that believed Jesus Gospel became the Church, and Gentiles were added to it after the final 70th week

Right. That is what I indicated as well, but he thinks we are denying that the prophecy was for the Jews, which we are not doing. But, as anyone with discernment knows, Gentile believers are saved under the new covenant as well. So, while Daniel 9:27 refers to Jesus confirming the new covenant for Israel first in the 70th week, it was confirmed for Gentiles after that as well.

 

[Davy]

Okay, you have been warned. You are officially in the dungeon of ignore list!

Good bye! :-)

GOOD! Because I was getting ready to do it myself!

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

GOOD! Because I was getting ready to do myself!

Guys, come on. It was just starting to get good and now you're going to ignore each other? What a bummer. LOL!

 

[covenantee]

There it is again Brethren in Christ! Jewish fablers again that TRY to APPLY those 70 weeks events to Christ's Church!!!

And I... need to read that Daniel 9:24 verse again??!$#^^#??

Dan 9:24
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
KJV

The angel is speaking that to DANIEL, and is ABOUT DANIEL'S PEOPLE, AND DANIEL'S HOLY CITY, JERUSALEM!

And notice TribulationSigns even quotes that underlined phrase of Daniel 9:24??? What's the matter with his MIND??


And what, like I need to hear about my Lord Jesus and The Gospel because I can READ what that Daniel 9:24 verse says with, "upon thy people and upon thy holy city"??

I have already heard... The Gospel of Jesus Christ, a long time ago, and have believed and been baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. And I'm the one who NEEDS to READ that Daniel 9:24 Scripture?? How SICK is that person?

Explain how your decapitated, orphaned, undetermined, 70th week satisfies Daniel's declaration "Seventy weeks are determined".

Once you've done that, you can then explain how Messiah the Prince in Daniel 9:27 is the antichrist.

We can hardly wait.

 

[jeffweeder]

Right. That is what I indicated as well, but he thinks we are denying that the prophecy was for the Jews, which we are not doing.

Yes, I understood that.
We certainly set the record straight there.

 

[jeffweeder]

Guys, come on. It was just starting to get good and now you're going to ignore each other? What a bummer. LOL!

It looks like I am already on Davy's ignore list

 

[Davy]

Explain how your decapitated, orphaned, undetermined, 70th week satisfies Daniel's declaration "Seventy weeks are determined".

Once you've done that, you can then explain how Messiah the Prince in Daniel 9:27 is the antichrist.

We can hardly wait.

Another one above that CANNOT READ EITHER!

I never CLAIMED... "Messiah the Prince" is Who the coming Antichrist is. That's a HOGWASH FABLE by FALSE JEWS!

So LISTEN UP, you white-washed wall!

Messiah the Prince (Jesus Christ) is NOT the subject... of that one of Daniel 9:27 which places the "abomination of desolation"! You would KNOW... that IF... you had READ the Daniel 11 Scripture about the "VILE PERSON"!

Dan 11:21-23
21 And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries.
22 And with the arms of a flood shall they be overflown from before him, and shall be broken; yea, also the prince of the covenant.
23 And after the league made with him he shall work deceitfully: for he shall come up, and shall become strong with a small people.
KJV

Dan 11:31
31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.
KJV

SCARED OF THAT DANIEL 11 CHAPTER THOUGH, AREN'T YA? It so DUMPS your SDA and JW theories against Christ that it makes you look like one of those little children standing in the corner with a DUNCE hat on!

FURTHERMORE, how... is it that my Lord Jesus Christ WARNED against that "abomination of desolation" event with QUOTING here from the Book of Daniel about it, if it was CHRIST who did that in past history to fulfill the final 70th week??

The false doctrine you have accepted about the 70th week from the false Jews of the "synagogue of Satan" have tricked... you into blaspheming Lord Jesus Christ by trying to claim Jesus fulfilled the Daniel 9:27 events.

 

[covenantee]

Another one above that CANNOT READ EITHER!

I never CLAIMED... "Messiah the Prince" is Who the coming Antichrist is. That's a HOGWASH FABLE by FALSE JEWS!

So LISTEN UP, you white-washed wall!

Messiah the Prince (Jesus Christ) is NOT the subject... of that one of Daniel 9:27 which places the "abomination of desolation"! You would KNOW... that IF... you had READ the Daniel 11 Scripture about the "VILE PERSON"!

Dan 11:21-23
21 And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries.
22 And with the arms of a flood shall they be overflown from before him, and shall be broken; yea, also the prince of the covenant.
23 And after the league made with him he shall work deceitfully: for he shall come up, and shall become strong with a small people.
KJV

Dan 11:31
31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.
KJV

SCARED OF THAT DANIEL 11 CHAPTER THOUGH, AREN'T YA? It so DUMPS your SDA and JW theories against Christ that it makes you look like one of those little children standing in the corner with a DUNCE hat on!

FURTHERMORE, how... is it that my Lord Jesus Christ WARNED against that "abomination of desolation" event with QUOTING here from the Book of Daniel about it, if it was CHRIST who did that in past history to fulfill the final 70th week??

The false doctrine you have accepted about the 70th week from the false Jews of the "synagogue of Satan" have tricked... you into blaspheming Lord Jesus Christ by trying to claim Jesus fulfilled the Daniel 9:27 events.

You didn't explain your decapitated orphaned undetermined 70th week.

Oh, so Messiah the Prince, the Covenant Confirmer "he" in Daniel 9:27, is your "vile person". What a relief. The "vile person" isn't quite as bad as the antichrist, right?

Explain that one too.

 

[Truth7t7]

You didn't explain your decapitated orphaned undetermined 70th week.

Oh, so Messiah the Prince, the Covenant Confirmer "he" in Daniel 9:27, is your "vile person". What a relief. The "vile person" isn't quite as bad as the antichrist, right?

Explain that one too.

"Daniel's AOD Is Future" and the bad guy causing the Abomination and Desolation will be present on earth to the "Consummation" The Ultimate End

"Future" Events Unfulfilled

Matthew 24:15KJV
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

This "Future" evil figure (The Beast) will be present on earth making (Abomination & Desolation) to the (Consummation) or (The Ultimate End) "Future" Event(s) Unfulfilled

(The Future Consummation)

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Merriam-Webster
Definition of consummation

1: the act of consummating the consummation of a contract by mutual signature specifically : the consummating of a marriage
2: the ultimate end

Daniel's AOD (Even Until The Consummation) "Future"!

Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

 

[covenantee]

"Daniel's AOD Is Future" and the bad guy causing the Abomination and Desolation will be present on earth to the "Consummation" The Ultimate End

"Future" Events Unfulfilled

Matthew 24:15KJV
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

This "Future" evil figure (The Beast) will be present on earth making (Abomination & Desolation) to the (Consummation) or (The Ultimate End) "Future" Event(s) Unfulfilled

(The Future Consummation)

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Merriam-Webster
Definition of consummation

1: the act of consummating the consummation of a contract by mutual signature specifically : the consummating of a marriage
2: the ultimate end

Daniel's AOD (Even Until The Consummation) "Future"!

Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Predictably, you can't explain your decapitated orphaned undetermined 70th week either.

So Messiah the Prince, the Covenant Confirmer "He" in Daniel 9:27, is your "bad guy".
You need to tell Davy that his "vile person" is wrong.
It should be "bad guy".

But 2,000 years ago, Messiah the Prince, the Divine Covenant Confirmer "He" in Daniel 9:27; detonated all such ordure.

By His Sacrificial, Perfect, Completed, Accomplishments.
At Calvary.

 

[Davy]

Predictably, you can't explain your decapitated orphaned undetermined 70th week either.

So Messiah the Prince, the Covenant Confirmer "He" in Daniel 9:27, is your "bad guy".
You need to tell Davy that his "vile person" is wrong.
It should be "bad guy".

See how this poor soul above is confused by the devil?

No true Christian would ever claim that Lord Jesus was Who placed the "abomination of desolation" in a temple in false worship. And if @covenantee doesn't understand that, then it can only mean one of two things: either he is totally deceived by another spirit, or he is intentionally pushing the agenda of the "synagogue of Satan" which Jesus pointed to in Revelation 2:9 and 3:9.

 

[Davy]

You didn't explain your decapitated orphaned undetermined 70th week.

Oh, so Messiah the Prince, the Covenant Confirmer "he" in Daniel 9:27, is your "vile person". What a relief. The "vile person" isn't quite as bad as the antichrist, right?

Explain that one too.

BRETHREN IN CHRIST:

It should be obvious by now that covenantee is not here to actually edify believers on Jesus Christ and His Word, he so mocks God's Word by even trying to assign Lord Jesus in place of Antichrist who will place the "abomination of desolation" IDOL in JERUSALEM... at the end of this world.

Did the SDA bunch get that stupid false idea from Ellen G. White who claimed to get her prophecies from an angel, or what? The only consolation I will give those like covenantee is with pushing... those SDA doctrines of this, because he wasn't the first one to come up with the false idea that Christ Jesus Himself fulfilled the final 70th week of Daniel 9:27.

 

[covenantee]

BRETHREN IN CHRIST:

It should be obvious by now that covenantee is not here to actually edify believers on Jesus Christ and His Word, he so mocks God's Word by even trying to assign Lord Jesus in place of Antichrist who will place the "abomination of desolation" IDOL in JERUSALEM... at the end of this world.

Did the SDA bunch get that stupid false idea from Ellen G. White who claimed to get her prophecies from an angel, or what? The only consolation I will give those like covenantee is with pushing... those SDA doctrines of this, because he wasn't the first one to come up with the false idea that Christ Jesus Himself fulfilled the final 70th week of Daniel 9:27.

Risible impotence.

That describes your utter inability to defend your decapitated orphaned undetermined 70th week against Daniel's resounding declaration, "Seventy weeks are detemined".

So in your oblivion you did the right thing.

You didn't even try to defend your error.

Good for you.

Keep it up.

Regarding your rantings about SDA, here are excerpts on Daniel 9:27 by John Calvin, who pre-dated SDA by more than two centuries:

"
The angel now returns to Christ.
The angel now continues his discourse concerning Christ by saying, he should confirm the treaty with many for one week
Now, therefore, we understand why the angel says, Christ should confirm the covenant for one week
Thus God's covenant is established with us
"

 

[Truth7t7]

Predictably, you can't explain your decapitated orphaned undetermined 70th week either.

So Messiah the Prince, the Covenant Confirmer "He" in Daniel 9:27, is your "bad guy".
You need to tell Davy that his "vile person" is wrong.
It should be "bad guy".

But 2,000 years ago, Messiah the Prince, the Divine Covenant Confirmer "He" in Daniel 9:27; detonated all such ordure.

By His Sacrificial, Perfect, Completed, Accomplishments.
At Calvary.

"Messiah The Prince" and "He" have no connection whatsoever, it's "the prince" lower case that's the "He" and he will destroy the city and sanctuary, your claims that Jesus Christ is the "He" is 100% "False", Jesus Christ doesn't destroy a city or sanctuary, nor does he make abomination or desolation

Daniel 9:25-27KJV
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

 

[covenantee]

"Messiah The Prince" and "He" have no connection whatsoever, it's "the prince" lower case that's the "He" and he will destroy the city and sanctuary, your claims that Jesus Christ is the "He" is 100% "False", Jesus Christ doesn't destroy a city or sanctuary, nor does he make abomination or desolation

Daniel 9:25-27KJV
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Obviously you flunked kindergarten English.

The grammatical referent of "he" is "the prince", and the grammatical referent of "the prince" is "the Messiah the Prince".

The Romans and Jews under the command and control of Messiah the Prince destroyed and desolated the city and sanctuary.

Demonstrated and proven Scripturally, historically, and grammatically.

What to believe?
1. You
2. Scripture, history, and grammar
Need a hint?

The Roman commander Titus credited God with enabling the destruction of Jerusalem.

Titus, a pagan, was immeasurably smarter than you.