My belief is only in the real and forever living Christ Jesus alone because He is the Savior who does the saving job all the time. Believing the gospel saves us not, btw.
The Assurance Of Salvation
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Taken
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I didn’t express a teaching, rather a personal experience.
Widely distributed Scriptural Knowledge…
Not secret.
Offering of God…established ON:
IF…THEN
God sets the TERMS of His OFFERING.
IF …a man Accepts Gods Offering according to Gods Terms…
THEN…the OFFERING is GIVEN that man.
Not news… already SAID…
“Chose to Call on Lord Jesus”.
Not news…already SAID…
“He dwells in me”…
Are you without understanding?
A quickened man is IN Christ and Christ IN such man…
One is NOT “Follow-ING the Other”…
One IS “WITHIN” the Other.
That Applies to a man who has ”NOT”
Made a commitment…
And IF such “uncommitted” man continues following, until THAT mans “END”…
( mortal physical bodily Death )
THEN….
God Shall Save THAT man.
1 Thes 4:
[14] For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so
( Same as Christ saves those IN Christ)
Them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
Christ saves whom God Gave Him.
God Saves Whom He Pleases.
John 10:
[28] And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
[29] My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
Rom 9:
15] For he saith to Moses,I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
Ex. 33:
[19] And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy.
Glory to God,
Taken
What exactly is that personal experience? How did it happen?
The scriptures are not God, are they? What ‘offering of God’ are you talking about, in this regard?
You’re just expressing your opinion on biblical passages, aren’t you?
Biblical passages save us not, do they?
amigo de christo
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the gospel by which you are saved , IF you keep in memory
Many are now falling under the spell of a false gospel .
one that entials that it dont matter what religoin one is
they serve the same GOD we do . the lie of anti christ grows .
by means of a f alse love that did not and does not correct sin
but rather accepts certain sins , even calling evil good and the words of GOd as evil .
We had better all be on gaurd .
To be saved ONE MUST BELEIVE on JESUS CHRIST
and if one continues not in him , well not a good end at all .
For had they been of us they would have continued .
We need to be exhorting one another daily , WITH ALL His reminders as well as all reminders
of the apostels left to us in said bible . Men are fleecing many now .
To those who DO BELEIVE , i write this that ye may KNOW you have ETERNAL LIFE
and that you may BELIEVE ON the SON OF GOD .
Continue in HIM faithful to the end . Heed not wayward men who through cleverly
spun strifes of words have made void Things JESUS taught and the apostels later confirmed by letters .
Taken
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Already stated…
Offering Offered…Offering Accepted
Uh no!
Scripture is Ancient, Historical Knowledge God Approved for manKind.
Offering of Salvation.
Regarding manKind.
I express my personal experiences…
I express my beliefs.
Same as others can choose to do….
Even you, expressing your opinions and lack of understanding with your wondering questions that have already been answered….and—-> silly questions—->
Yikes… Biblical passage ARE Knowledge..
God HAS Knowledge but IS NOT knowledge.
God IS Spirit.
Spirit and Knowledge ARE NOT the same thing.
The Savior is Jesus, not Paul. The Lord said:
Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.
Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”
yet you refuse to come to me to have life.
See what Jesus says about what you think about the scriptures,Already stated…
Offering Offered…Offering Accepted
Uh no!
Scripture is Ancient, Historical Knowledge God Approved for manKind.
Offering of Salvation.
Regarding manKind.
I express my personal experiences…
I express my beliefs.
Same as others can choose to do….
Even you, expressing your opinions and lack of understanding with your wondering questions that have already been answered….and—-> silly questions—->
Yikes… Biblical passage ARE Knowledge..
God HAS Knowledge but IS NOT knowledge.
God IS Spirit.
Spirit and Knowledge ARE NOT the same thing.
39 You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me, 40 yet you refuse to come to me to have life
Studying the scriptures diligently saves no one and grants no eternal life, except by coming to Jesus and following Him until the end.
Taken
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Taken
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Salvation by Christ…call on the Lord, Confess True Heartful Belief….
Receive Salvation Before mortal death.
Salvation by God….believe in your heart at the moment of physical mortal death…
Receive Salvation After mortal death.
Where did you get this doctrine from? What did you receive from whom? How was that?
How many kinds of salvation do we have if your doctrine tells us salvation by Christ and salvation by God? Where did you get this doctrine from?
You’re fabricating a doctrine of your own about salvation, not knowing that your phrase ‘scriptural knowledge’ saves you not. Jesus is the one who saves, hence, it takes Jesus to attain salvation and eternal life, which the scriptures can’t grant to any one of us.
How do you say the Lord dwells in you; does He talk to you, as He did to Moses in the days of old? If not, what then are you expressing here?
No one gets saved unless we come to and follow the real and forever living Christ Jesus until the end. Believing things that we read in the bible does not entitle us to salvation and eternal life. The Lord Jesus does the saving job for those who come to Him and follow Him true to their hearts.
Coming to and following Jesus until the end is inevitable if we want our salvation to remain in us.
No matter how serious you believe those passages in the bible, you still can’t be saved. We/you need Jesus to shepherd and guide us/you to our salvation and eternal life.
Now you take notice of the Apostles when it suits you even though you previously wrote :-
""The apostles cannot, in any manner, teach any of us today about the topic of salvation and eternal life because they are long gone, too.""
Paul addresses your type of false teachings as foolish & accursed Gal 1:6-9, Gal 3:1-4.
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777 states :-
""The apostles cannot, in any manner, teach any of us today about the topic of salvation and eternal life because they are long gone, too.""
Ask him how someone today is saved then watch the fertilizer, excuses & denials flow.
Thus saith the Lord Jesus Christ:
“Remember, eternal life and your salvation are in My hands. If you want to be saved, come and draw near to Me. If you want eternal life, come and call upon Me. Trust in Me, because if you don't, you will have no salvation and no eternal life.”
“Remember, eternal life and your salvation are in My hands. If you want to be saved, come and draw near to Me. If you want eternal life, come and call upon Me. Trust in Me, because if you don't, you will have no salvation and no eternal life.”
Taken
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False accuser.
Gaslighter.
Gobbledegook nonsense.
You should spend time reading Scripture (you attempt to make Trivial) and stop accusing and stop pretending you are qualified to teach or challenge What you do not understand.
I do, and still do. But I see to it that doing so does not entitle me to salvation, but to see the reality that there is really God to whom I can always come for my salvation and eternal life.
I’m just following your mode of reasoning and expression of opinion.
Neither am I a Pastor nor a Teacher, but a plain follower of the real and forever living Christ Jesus, who is God with us always, though we don’t see Him yet. I’m here just to share with you all everything we’ve learned from the Lord Jesus Christ.
I’m not naive to deal with things that I do not understand; I raise questions whenever I encounter issues that come to me vaguely.or challenge What you do not understand.
Taken
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I never said Reading Scripture saves a person!
I said Scripture is Knowledge.
Never is Salvation GIVEN and then Revoked!
Salvation IS GIVEN AFTER a Living body Heartfully Believes and AFTER the body is Accounted DEAD!
Agree you are Not a teacher.
You have Gaslighted and Falsely Accused.
Understanding Spiritual things DOES NOT come from men, and very rarely is a Spiritual meaning / Understanding / Mystery revealed IN Scripture.—- And THAT you should have Learned IN Scriptural Knowledge!
What exactly then is that which saves a person?
The Lord defines scriptures as ‘testimonies’ of Him, but you define them as knowledge; where did you get your notion of the scriptures from?
You’re not the Savior to prescribe salvation in that manner, are you? What did Jesus teach about salvation?
Your claim is a big lie if your phrase, ‘Heartfully Believe’ refers to the teachings that you’ve read and learned in the bible. The reward of salvation is not known to anyone, even to the apostles themselves; it’s a pure call and decision of Jesus alone.
You’re just expressing your opinion here because it absolutely takes Jesus to teach [us all] the spiritual meaning of anything essential to the destiny of our souls.
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