Can LGBTQ individuals be saved?

[rvmb]

Anti-gay pastor resigns after allegedly ‘being with prostitutes’

Pastor Donnie Romero called gays "scum of the earth" and applauded the 2016 mass killing of gay people at Orlando’s Pulse nightclub.

www.nbcnews.com

To be honest, I think we give lip-service to God's grace, but deep down, we really think we earned it and everybody else needs to earn it too.

""we really think we earned it""
and those who think that way tend to have issues with the teachings of Paul
Eph 2:8:9
Gal 2:16.
Rom 3:28
Rom 4:5
Rom 5:1
Titus 3:5
etc

 

[Strawberry Shortcake]

To be honest, I think we give lip-service to God's grace, but deep down, we really think we earned it and everybody else needs to earn it too.

I think we can also for sure at times think that. But we know it's untrue.

 

[SavedInHim]

Anti-gay pastor resigns after allegedly ‘being with prostitutes’

Pastor Donnie Romero called gays "scum of the earth" and applauded the 2016 mass killing of gay people at Orlando’s Pulse nightclub.

www.nbcnews.com

Sounds about right.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Is LBGTQ a sin ?
Is lying a sin ?
Is unmarried sex a sin ?
Is not 'loving' your neighbor a sin ?
Is gluttony a sin ?
Is adultery a sin ?
Is not respecting your parents a sin ?
Sounds like the Baptist Pastor considers himself better than most people.

The wagers of Sin is death !

That means anyone who rejects such is on the path that leads to Hell ! not only that but that of promoting such Sin is worthy of draging People down !

Such can happen but never to boast of any such things at all, but to repent ! because the Truth will set you free !

Lies and rejecting such is an abomination for all !

I hope that the Pastor is better than most people, Bible says one should be.

But it's the gravity of Sin ? So not openly respecting say another, may be within the bounds. because such a one may be worthy to be call out, on an issue ! regardless Parents or not. but such may not be disrespect but an issue that is founded.
Obaying a idiot or foolishness is never bright regardless.

 

[rvmb]

The wagers of Sin is death !

That means anyone who rejects such is on the path that leads to Hell ! not only that but that of promoting such Sin is worthy of draging People down !

Such can happen but never to boast of any such things at all, but to repent ! because the Truth will set you free !

Lies and rejecting such is an abomination for all !

I hope that the Pastor is better than most people, Bible says one should be.

But it's the gravity of Sin ? So not openly respecting say another, may be within the bounds. because such a one may be worthy to be call out, on an issue ! regardless Parents or not. but such may not be disrespect but an issue that is founded.
Obaying a idiot or foolishness is never bright regardless.

Good to see you quoting Paul.
""The wagers of Sin is death !"" - Rom 6:23
**
Do you claim you no longer sin ?

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Good to see you quoting Paul.
""The wagers of Sin is death !"" - Rom 6:23
**
Do you claim you no longer sin ?

I am no longer under the Power of Sin !

But we all do Sin. if we reject that we may, we fool ourselves !

So by no longer being under the Power of Sin, means that I have a handle on such dealings, so that such does not get out of control ?

One who is not Saved is Lost to Sin ! in that they may understand wrong things but not truly have a handle on such things in regards God !

So Carnal people can understand Sin, but they have a lack of understanding in depth what such truly is or such truly comes from. they are caught in a loop of carnal direction but at a loss to themselves regarding truly as a one with God.
They are not with God for they are lost !

 

[rvmb]

I am no longer under the Power of Sin !

But we all do Sin. if we reject that we may, we fool ourselves !

So by no longer being under the Power of Sin, means that I have a handle on such dealings, so that such does not get out of control ?

One who is not Saved is Lost to Sin ! in that they may understand wrong things but not truly have a handle on such things in regards God !

So Carnal people can understand Sin, but they have a lack of understanding in depth what such truly is or such truly comes from. they are caught in a loop of carnal direction but at a loss to themselves regarding truly as a one with God.
They are not with God for they are lost !

Though believers are 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13 saved/justified/sealed we still continue to willfully sin in some way.
Do you believe you no longer WILLFULLY sin ?
If so, would you like to take a simple test ?

 

[Rotsen777]

We are saved by God's grace, through faith. I don't see why that should be any different for LGBTQ folks, do you?

Never did Jesus teach that ‘We are saved by God's grace, through faith,’ but coming to and following Him until the end is what Jesus teaches about salvation. Therefore, if the LGBT decided to come to Jesus and follow Him until the end, I believe Jesus would save them.

We are saved by God's grace, through faith. I don't see why that should be any different for LGBTQ folks, do you?

 

[Lambano]

Never did Jesus teach that ‘We are saved by God's grace, through faith,’ ...

I was alluding to Ephesians 2:8. What follows is, "... this is not of yourself; it is the gift of God. Not by works, lest any man should boast."

The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, 'God, I thank thee that I am not like other people: Lesbians, Gays, Bisexual, Transexual, or even like that Queer over there.

God, have mercy on us sinners.

 

[rvmb]

I was alluding to Ephesians 2:8. What follows is, "... this is not of yourself; it is the gift of God. Not by works, lest any man should boast."

The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, 'God, I thank thee that I am not like other people: Lesbians, Gays, Bisexual, Transexual, or even like that Queer over there.

God, have mercy on us sinners.

Good luck with 777
He rejects that the teachings of Paul are valid today.
Here is a recent quote of his regarding all the Apostles :-
""The apostles cannot, in any manner, teach any of us today about the topic of salvation and eternal life because they are long gone, too.""

 

[Rotsen777]

I was alluding to Ephesians 2:8. What follows is, "... this is not of yourself; it is the gift of God. Not by works, lest any man should boast."

Don’t forget that the Savior is Jesus, not Paul. Have you read from the teachings of Jesus [about salvation] what you’re alluding to Eph. 2:8; did Jesus teach that notion of salvation to HIS apostles, verbatim?

The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, 'God, I thank thee that I am not like other people: Lesbians, Gays, Bisexual, Transexual, or even like that Queer over there.

God, have mercy on us sinners.

Leave that to God and be always prepared for your own soul’s permanent residence.

 

[Rotsen777]

Good luck with 777
He rejects that the teachings of Paul are valid today.
Here is a recent quote of his regarding all the Apostles :-
""The apostles cannot, in any manner, teach any of us today about the topic of salvation and eternal life because they are long gone, too.""

Even if the apostles were still alive, they would advise us to come to Jesus for our salvation, and would not prescribe salvation in the manner in which they were written in the epistles of His apostles.

 

[Lambano]

Don’t forget that the Savior is Jesus, not Paul. Have you read from the teachings of Jesus [about salvation] what you’re alluding to Eph. 2:8; did Jesus teach that notion of salvation to HIS apostles, verbatim?

Verbatim? Nah. Ephesians 2:8-9 is a just high-level description of what's going on. (Paul is a Big Picture kind of guy.) Down at the implementation level, Jesus will judge what faithfulness and humility look like to Him. And, as the parable reminds me, faithfulness and humility might not look like what I think it should look like.

 

[complete]

'Know ye not
that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God?
Be not deceived:
.. neither fornicators,
.... nor idolaters,
...... nor adulterers,
........ nor effeminate,
.......... nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
............ Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards,
.............. nor revilers, nor extortioners,
................ shall inherit the kingdom of God.
And such WERE some of you:
.. but ye are washed,
.... but ye are sanctified,
...... but ye are justified
........ in the name of the Lord Jesus,
.......... and by the Spirit of our God.'
(1 Corinthians 6:9-110

May God be Praised!

* 'He is gracious and merciful, slow to anger, and swift to bless.'

 

[complete]

'But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested,
.. being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
.... Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ
...... unto all and upon all them that believe:
for there is no difference:
.. For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
.... Being justified freely by His grace
...... through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
........ Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation
.......... through faith in His blood,
to declare His righteousness for the remission of sins that are past,
.. through the forbearance of God;
.... To declare, I say, at this time His righteousness:
...... that He might be just,
........ and the justifier of Him which believeth in Jesus.
Where is boasting then? It is excluded.
.. By what law? of works?
.... Nay: but by the law of faith.
...... Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith
........ without the deeds of the law.'
(Rom 3:21-28)

Praise God!

 

[complete]

'Stand fast therefore
in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free,
and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.'
(Gal.5:1 )

' For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty;
only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh,
but by love serve one another.'
(Gal.5:13)

Praise God!

 

[Rotsen777]

Verbatim? Nah. Ephesians 2:8-9 is a just high-level description of what's going on. (Paul is a Big Picture kind of guy.) Down at the implementation level, Jesus will judge what faithfulness and humility look like to Him.

Jesus is the Good Shepherd who shepherds and guides His sheep to their salvation and eternal life. Judgment comes later. Paul’s teachings must not contradict Jesus’ teachings. Eph. 2:8-9 runs contrary to Jesus’ teaching about salvation.

And, as the parable reminds me, faithfulness and humility might not look like what I think it should look like.

Coming to and following Jesus until the end are the only essential things of salvation.

Verbatim? Nah. Ephesians 2:8-9 is a just high-level description of what's going on. (Paul is a Big Picture kind of guy.) Down at the implementation level, Jesus will judge what faithfulness and humility look like to Him. And, as the parable reminds me, faithfulness and humility might not look like what I think it should look like.

 

[amigo de christo]

That's what I thought. I don't understand why they wouldn't be able to be saved.

all sinners can be saved if they repent and beleive on JESUS the CHRIST .
a key thing , however , to remember is
THERE is a huge difference between a repentant heart and an UNREPENTANT heart .
the latter will recreate a image of GOD and of CHRIST that supports THEIR SIN .
MAKING their faith IN HIM TOTALLY VOID and of no effect . cause its the wrong jesus they beleive in , as in the one who accepts
and calls their sin good . THAT One aint JESUS .
But as i said ANY SINNER can be forgiven , IF they repent to BELEIVE ON JESUS the CHRIST
cause all have sinned . all have fallen far short , ALL NEED CHRIST . and remember HE is not the minstir of sin .
That one cannot save .

 

[lforrest]

Glad you mentioned that.
So, that includes lying politicians.

All liars will take their place in the lake of fire. A liar implies a habitual disposition to lie. Someone who makes a living off of lying, yea I would consider them a liar. That means it's into the lake of fire they go.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Though believers are 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13 saved/justified/sealed we still continue to willfully sin in some way.
Do you believe you no longer WILLFULLY sin ?
If so, would you like to take a simple test ?

If one claimes not to Sin, is a lie !

What I am on about is The Saved are not Lost.
The Lost are a lost cause in themselves for they do not have a handle on dealing with the gravity of Sin much at all.

Sure we have biggots in the Churches claiming to be above all ? but that's not the issue.

When one is blinded by Sin, that's the problem !

One must understand the nature of Sin to understand the gravity of such.

One can be under the power of Sin because one is Lost !
Or one can be on the ball with such that comes your way etc and that is always lurking or crouching at the door, so one understands it's true but is awake and will repent for the good of all !

A mate rang and put me on the phone to his son, he found out that this new girlfrend is takeing bad drugs and all of the rest ! well best he wash his hands of all that, because such is Trouble ! but he realy liked her and was just so upset !