parable of the fig tree generation

[covenantee]

Now compare that with Gospel of Luke 21:20. That passage is part of the Olivet Discourse, and it is speaking about the fall of the New Testament congregation prior to the Second Coming, when apostasy spreads and desolation comes upon the church, the only holy place on this side of the Cross. Not your precious 70AD Temple, Israel and Roman Soliders. LOL.

The Judaean Christians were waaaaaay smarter than you. They took Jesus at His Word, and preserved the Judaean Christian Church as a result.

If they had listened to you, they would have perished.

But they were far too discerning for that.

Not one of them was a gnostic psychotic.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

What year will Jesus return not later than ?

I don't know and neither do you. No one knows.

 

[Douggg]

I don't know

Then you don't understand the parable of the fig tree generation.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Then you don't understand the parable of the fig tree generation.

LOL. There is no parable of the fig tree generation, so there's nothing to understand about it. The fig tree generation parable is a figment of your imagination. In Matthew 24:32-33 Jesus compared knowing the nearness of His return to knowing that summer is near when a fig tree's leaves start to grow. Nothing about a fig tree generation there. As you so often do, you are trying to relate unrelated scriptures by trying to relate Matthew 21:18-19 to Matthew 24:32-34. And you do that because you are very lacking in spiritual discernment.

Also, your understanding of Matthew 24:32-34 is based on your understanding that a generation is 70 years because you falsely think that a generation is equivalent to the average human life span, which it is not. Talk about a lack of understanding. Wow. You have to resort to making up new definitions for words in order to keep your false interpretations afloat.

 

[Douggg]

There is no parable of the fig tree generation.

Matthew 24:
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

Jesus is talking about the generation that will not pass without witnessing His return. Jesus obviously did not return in the disciples's generation.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Matthew 24:
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

Jesus is talking about the generation that will not pass without witnessing His return. Jesus obviously did not return in the disciples's generation.

I didn't say that Jesus didn't reference "this generation". I'm saying He didn't refer to it as "the fig tree generation" as you are doing. Jesus, in the passage, is simply comparing the nearness of summer when fig tree leaves start to grow to the nearness of His return when "all these things" happen. That's it. There's no reason to read Jerusalem or Israel into that passage when it has nothing to do with that, but rather has to do with knowing when Jesus's return is near.

 

[Douggg]

I'm saying He didn't refer to it as "the fig tree generation" as you are doing.

I did not say "the fig tree generation" , but "the parable of the fig tree generation".

Jesus, in the passage, is simply comparing the nearness of summer when fig tree leaves start to grow to the nearness of His return when "all these things" happen. That's it. There's no reason to read Jerusalem or Israel into that passage when it has nothing to do with that, but rather has to do with knowing when Jesus's return is near.

Jesus said 34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

To understand what the parable of the fig tree generation will be, it is necessary to understand what the fig tree represents. The fig tree represents Jerusalem.

 

[TribulationSigns]

I did not say "the fig tree generation" , but "the parable of the fig tree generation".

You clearly don't understand. The Lord is talking about the parable of the fig tree....and all other trees. Not the parable of the generation.

To understand what the parable of the fig tree generation will be, it is necessary to understand what the fig tree represents. The fig tree represents Jerusalem.

Well, actually, which Jersualem, really? Is it physical city Jerusalem, of the church which is spiritual Jerusalem on this side of the Cross? Aren't we, Christian, a holy nation right now? Regardless, let read Luke 21...

Luke 21:29-33
(29) And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees;
(30) When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand.
(31) So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.
(32) Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.
(33) Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.

Christ gave the Olivet Discourse on the Mount of Olives, a hill just east of the Temple Mount in Jerusalem. That hill was known not only for olive trees, but also for fig trees and other trees growing around the area.

As Christ sat there with His disciples, He used what was visibly around them—the fig tree and all the trees—to teach a simple illustration. When trees begin to put forth leaves in the spring, people naturally know that summer is near. No special interpretation is required; it is something everyone recognizes.

Christ then said “likewise.” In the same way that people recognize the season by observing the trees, believers at the time of the end are to recognize the nearness of the kingdom of God when they see the signs He described in the discourse.


Those signs include wars and rumors of wars, famine, disease, the shaking and corruption of the church where love grows cold, the abomination of desolation standing in the holy place, and the call to flee from unfaithful churches. It will be a time of great tribulation when many people will claim that their church have Christ with them that their churches possess the truth. Yet Christ warned us not to believe such claims, because we will see the abomination of desolation standing therein! We avoid church where they teach work gospel, women being pastors, divorce and remarriage, gay preacher/marriage, charmastic miracles, getting involved with politics, spiritual compromise that mislead people, nightclub style enterainment with worldly bands, etc. etc. You will not see Christ in there becasue he is in the secret chambers, or in the desert where no gospel water is found.

Finally, when the signs in the sun, moon, and stars appear and their meaning is understood, that is when it will be clear that Christ’s coming is near.

That is the point of the parable. It is simply about recognizing the signs when they appear—just as one recognizes the coming of summer when trees begin to leaf out. This passage has nothing to do with some hidden prophetic code about national Israel or earthly Jerusalem. That interpretation confuses the matter and misunderstands the spiritual meaning of Israel and Jerusalem in Scripture. You have the wrong Israel and the wrong Jerusalem. Period.

And Christ also said that “this generation” refers to the ongoing lineage (family) of evil that began with Cain. This evil continues through history, through the first century, through the entire New Testament, including the loosened of Satan. This generation will persist until all the events described in the Olivet Discourse are fully accomplished.

Only after these signs are fulfilled will Christ appear visibly, bringing final judgment. At that time, all the spiritual offspring (generation) of evil—the entire “generation” of Satan’s influence—will be cast into the Lake of Fire, as Scripture clearly teaches. We, the Elect, of the chosen generation from Adam/Eve to the Last Elect will have not to worry about it. Remember there are two generations, two spiritual families, on Earth!

The key point: the Olivet Discourse is about recognizing the signs of the end, not about earthly Israel or temporal nations. The final judgment comes after the complete fulfillment of these prophetic events concerning the New Testament congregation and the ultimate victory of Christ over evil is certain.

@rwb

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I did not say "the fig tree generation" , but "the parable of the fig tree generation".

So, technically, you did say "the fig tree generation", but also said a few other words before that. My point was that there is no fig tree generation in the way you understand that. The parable of the fig tree in Matthew 24:32 relates directly to the nearness of Christ's return and has nothing to do with Jerusalem or Israel and has no relation to Matthew 21:18-19, as you imagine. What Jesus was saying is that when "all these things" occur that He was referencing, then people would know that His second coming is near just like how people know that summer is near when a fig tree's leaves start to come out. That's all He was saying. You can't act as if every reference to a fig tree is a reference to Jerusalem.

As was already pointed out to you, Jesus didn't just refer to the fig tree there, but all the other trees as well, so it's not about an imaginary "fig tree generation".

Luke 21:29 Then He spoke to them a parable: “Look at the fig tree, and all the trees. 30 When they are already budding, you see and know for yourselves that summer is now near. 31 So you also, when you see these things happening, know that the kingdom of God is near. 32 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all things take place.

Why do you refer to a supposed "parable of the fig tree generation" instead of "the parable of the fig tree, and all the trees" generation? As I've told you before, you fail to understand what Jesus taught in the Olivet Discourse because of your failure to carefully look at all 3 accounts of the Olivet Discourse to get the big picture of what Jesus talked about. There are some details in the Mark 13 and Luke 21 accounts that aren't in the Matthew 24-25 account, so you need to look at those accounts as well to get all of the details.

 

[Douggg]

Luke 21:29 Then He spoke to them a parable: “Look at the fig tree, and all the trees. 30 When they are already budding, you see and know for yourselves that summer is now near. 31 So you also, when you see these things happening, know that the kingdom of God is near. 32 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all things take place.

Why do you refer to a supposed "parable of the fig tree generation" instead of "the parable of the fig tree, and all the trees" generation? As I've told you before, you fail to understand what Jesus taught in the Olivet Discourse because of your failure to carefully look at all 3 accounts of the Olivet Discourse to get the big picture of what Jesus talked about. There are some details in the Mark 13 and Luke 21 accounts that aren't in the Matthew 24-25 account, so you need to look at those accounts as well to get all of the details.

Regardless of what book, it is necessary to understand what the fig presents to determine what generation won't pass without witnessing Jesus's return.

 

[ewq1938]

Regardless of what book, it is necessary to understand what the fig presents to determine what generation won't pass without witnessing Jesus's return.

Jesus didn't only speak of a fig tree. What about the other ones?


Luk 21:29 And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees;
Luk 21:30 When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand.
Luk 21:31 So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.

Clearly this has nothing to do with 1948 or 1967 or Israel. He is speaking of all trees, when they shoot forth then summer is near which is the kingdom of God ie: the second coming. What he is saying is there are signs that people will see that will tell them when Great Tribulation and the second coming are near. It has nothing at all to do with Israel, not in 1948, 1967 or any year. It's not about only the fig tree. It's about how all trees behave when spring begins. They begin to come back to life and start growing and sprouting! It's a wonderful time of year! We are currently in the winter prophetically. We are looking for the signs of sprouting which is progression but progression of end times events. We need to be looking for the Revelation 13 events of two beasts and those global changes. Many of the "sprouting signs" are also found in the Olivet Discourse.


Luk 21:29 And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees;
Luk 21:30 When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand.
Luk 21:31 So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.

Summer here is when Christ returns. There are signs of a coming summer in the spring, just after winter has ended. Winter is the dark time of the Great Tribulation. Spring is the ending of winter, the ending of the Great Tribulation. There are certain events that will tell us that Christ's return is near, like when the two prophets are killed and 3.5 days later resurrect. The second coming happens the day they ascend into heaven.

Winter = the main time of the Great Tribulation
Spring = trees start to blossom, Summer is near, the Great Tribulation will soon end.
Summer = the second coming happens and the thousand years/Millennium

 

[Douggg]

Jesus didn't only speak of a fig tree. What about the other ones?

The other trees are the nations making up the Gog/Magog attack on Israel group.

 

[ewq1938]

The other trees are the nations making up the Gog/Magog attack on Israel group.

None of the trees are nations. The trees sprouting new leaves is a sign of summer which is the return of Christ. The signs he listed are symbolic of the new sprouts of those trees.

 

[Douggg]

None of the trees are nations. The trees sprouting new leaves is a sign of summer which is the return of Christ. The signs he listed are symbolic of the new sprouts of those trees.

Trees can represent things other than just being trees. The two witnesses as two olive trees in Revelation 11:4, for example.

In Jeremiah 11:16-17, Judah and Jerusalem, for example, are represented by olive trees.

In Ezekiel 31:3-18, for example, Pharaoh and Egypt are represented by trees.

In Daniel 4:10-22, Nebuchadnezzar was represented by a tree.

In Joel 1::6-7, a fig tree represents Israel.

 

[Jay Ross]

The trees sprouting new leaves is a sign of summer which is the return of Christ.

This claim is not true in my humble opinion.

 

[Douggg]

Jesus is the lily of the valley, the bright and morning star, the fairest of ten thousand to my soul.

 

[TribulationSigns]

The other trees are the nations making up the Gog/Magog attack on Israel group.

Douggg, Douggg, Douggg....

You and all premillennialists/Dispensationalists seriously need to stop forcing modern political ideas into Scripture.

In Gospel of Matthew 24 and Gospel of Luke 21, Christ gave the parable of the fig tree and all the trees. Yet many insist on inventing a theory that the fig tree represents the rebirth of the nation of Israel and that the other trees represent various nations like Gog and Magog. That interpretation is simply not what the text says.

Christ was standing on the Mount of Olives, surrounded by literal trees. He used something ordinary that everyone could see—a fig tree and other trees—as a simple illustration about recognizing seasons. When trees begin to bud, you know summer is near. That is the entire point of the parable.

Likewise, when believers see all the things Christ described in the Olivet Discourse unfolding, they will understand that His coming is near. The lesson is about spiritual awareness of the time, not about identifying modern nations or building prophetic timelines around the state of Israel.

Reading modern geopolitics into this passage is not careful Bible study—it is speculation. Just like your charts! Christ did not tell us to watch for the rebirth of a nation. He told us to watch for the fulfillment of the signs He described.

Those who insist that the fig tree must symbolize modern Israel are adding meaning that Christ Himself never gave. The parable is simple, clear, and practical: just as budding trees signal a coming season, the fulfillment of Christ’s words signals that His return is near.

Stop twisting the illustration into something it was never meant to be.

 

[Jay Ross]

Douggg, Douggg, Douggg....

You and all premillennialists/Dispensationalists seriously need to stop forcing modern political ideas into Scripture.

In Gospel of Matthew 24 and Gospel of Luke 21, Christ gave the parable of the fig tree and all the trees. Yet many insist on inventing a theory that the fig tree represents the rebirth of the nation of Israel and that the other trees represent various nations like Gog and Magog. That interpretation is simply not what the text says.

Christ was standing on the Mount of Olives, surrounded by literal trees. He used something ordinary that everyone could see—a fig tree and other trees—as a simple illustration about recognizing seasons. When trees begin to bud, you know summer is near. That is the entire point of the parable.

Likewise, when believers see all the things Christ described in the Olivet Discourse unfolding, they will understand that His coming is near. The lesson is about spiritual awareness of the time, not about identifying modern nations or building prophetic timelines around the state of Israel.

Reading modern geopolitics into this passage is not careful Bible study—it is speculation. Just like your charts! Christ did not tell us to watch for the rebirth of a nation. He told us to watch for the fulfillment of the signs He described.

Those who insist that the fig tree must symbolize modern Israel are adding meaning that Christ Himself never gave. The parable is simple, clear, and practical: just as budding trees signal a coming season, the fulfillment of Christ’s words signals that His return is near.

Stop twisting the illustration into something it was never meant to be.

@TribulationSigns, you are making a mistake in your reasoning.

Matthew 24:32 states this, "Now learn this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become tender and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near.

Now the Fig Tree was a frequent metaphor for the nation of Israel and in Genesis 15:16 we are told this: - "But in the fourth generation they, {your descendants} shall return here, for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet complete.”

Four Thousand years after the birth of Isaac in the year 2052 BC in the year 1948 AD Abraham's descendants did return to live in the land of Canaan. Now the fourth Generation has a duration of 4096 years and 96 years after the descendants of Abraham return to the Canaan, the completion of the visitation of the iniquities of the fathers upon their children and the children's children in the third and the fourth generation of the existence of the nation of Israel would end. The ending of the fourth generation will occur 96 years after the nation was established in the year 1948 AD. Now an interesting fact is that between when the trees begin to bud during the early Spring until the beginning of the Summer Season 96 days will pass and if we apply the years for a day to this prophecy it tells us that the beginning of the age when the Summer's harvest of souls will begin, firstly with the nation of Israel, is the years 2045 AD as God will begin to draw the nation of Israel to Himself.

Now these years, referenced above, confirm when the Seventh Age, of the overarching age, will begin around the year 2045 AD.

The Scriptures provide the timeline for when the events of the End times as described in Mat 24-25 will occur.

The lesson in Mat 24-25 is about our spiritual awareness of the time, and what will unfold and when it will unfold, as we approach the end of the Seventh Age.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Regardless of what book, it is necessary to understand what the fig presents to determine what generation won't pass without witnessing Jesus's return.

You just ignore everything I tell you. There is no basis for thinking that every reference to a fig tree in scripture is a reference to Jerusalem or Israel. Good grief. Unbelievable.

Do you just ignore when the parallel passage from Luke 21 references "the fig tree, and all the trees"? What do "all the trees" represent if the fig tree represents Jerusalem there, as you falsely claim?

Luke 21:29 Then He spoke to them a parable: “Look at the fig tree, and all the trees. 30 When they are already budding, you see and know for yourselves that summer is now near. 31 So you also, when you see these things happening, know that the kingdom of God is near. 32 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all things take place.

Why do you call it "the parable of the fig tree generation" and relate it to Jerusalem instead of calling it "the parable of the fig tree, and all the trees generation"?

Tell me, do you think all of the following verses refer to Jerusalem when they refer to a fig tree?

1 Kings 4:25 And Judah and Israel dwelt safely, each man under his vine and his fig tree, from Dan as far as Beersheba, all the days of Solomon.

Proverbs 27:18 Whoever keeps the fig tree will eat its fruit; So he who waits on his master will be honored.

Song of Solomon 2:13 The fig tree puts forth her green figs, And the vines with the tender grapes Give a good smell. Rise up, my love, my fair one, And come away!

Habakkuk 3:17 Though the fig tree may not blossom, Nor fruit be on the vines; Though the labor of the olive may fail, And the fields yield no food; Though the flock may be cut off from the fold, And there be no herd in the stalls—

John 1:48 Nathanael said to Him, “How do You know me?” Jesus answered and said to him, “Before Philip called you, when you were under the fig tree, I saw you.”

James 3:12 Can a fig tree, my brethren, bear olives, or a grapevine bear figs? Thus no spring yields both salt water and fresh.

Revelation 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell to the earth, as a fig tree drops its late figs when it is shaken by a mighty wind.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The other trees are the nations making up the Gog/Magog attack on Israel group.