Who can understand? - Ezekiel Chapter 26

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What are you talking about here? You seem to be implying that the Son of God (Christ Jesus our Lord) is the Son of fallen mankind? Please explain?

The heart of the matter is that Christ is the First and the Last (Adam). But the covering is that shadow of turning, that form of flesh--that bronze serpent raised up on a pole in the desert--over which Satan became prince and ruler for a time.

Like RWB said, "What are you talking about here?!"

You do not make any sense and I can see why you did not quote Scripture to back your nonsenses up.

Satan became prince when bronze serpent raised up on a pole in the desert... is that what you think this was what God talked about? Scripture please!

So the mix...is Christ taking that fall which was of Satan, upon Himself. But the two are not to be confused, for the One is good, and the other evil--to the One life eternal, to the other death eternal.

Exactly who is Satan that Christ put upon Himself?

Scripture please to see if you know what you are talking about.
 
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Exactly who is Satan that Christ put upon Himself?
The son of the devil, Every person who acts in a way contrary to Jesus Christ,even someone call himself "son of God".

matthew 16:23
But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.
 

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The son of the devil, Every person who acts in a way contrary to Jesus Christ,even someone call himself "son of God".

matthew 16:23
But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

Are you saying that Peter is the son of the devil (before he was born again with the Spirit of God)? If so, exactly who is the devil?
 

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Say...are these pictures really your biblical answer to the questions: “Are you saying Peter is the son of the devil? If so, exactly who is the devil? Because posting images is not a substitute for answering directly from Scripture.
The Egyptians have made their stance very clear, and so has the Exodus.

Our mind is under the control of the devil.
Unless our mind is under the control of the Jesus Christ and word of God.
 

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The heart of the matter is that Christ is the First and the Last (Adam). But the covering is that shadow of turning, that form of flesh--that bronze serpent raised up on a pole in the desert--over which Satan became prince and ruler for a time. So the mix...is Christ taking that fall which was of Satan, upon Himself. But the two are not to be confused, for the One is good, and the other evil--to the One life eternal, to the other death eternal.

This makes no sense and is opinion without proving from the Bible what you allege! Do you really believe anyone should simply accept what you assume without proving it?
 

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These are difficult realities not easy to accept, I understand that.

But that was God speaking--His way of saying--"I gave you everything!"

Which, in a manner of speaking, includes a but, a therefore, or however by God's own distinction, saying: "very good" vs. "perfect", and yet not ultimately perfect as it became evident.

"Therefore by their fruits you will know them."

No Scott, what you gave us is nonsense!
 

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The son of the devil, Every person who acts in a way contrary to Jesus Christ,even someone call himself "son of God".

matthew 16:23
But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

You don't believe Satan and the Devil are one and the same evil spirit? Christ spoke these words to Peter, because Peter rebuked Christ when He said the He must suffer and be killed, even though Christ said He would be raised again the third day.

Matthew 16:21-25 (KJV) From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day. Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men. Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

Peter needed what amounted to a good slap in the face, because He did not yet understand the things of God. Peter became offended when Christ said He must die, without understanding that HIS DEATH is how whosoever follows Him would live forever. Christ wasn't saying that Peter was of Satan, but that he was allowing His still carnal mind to be influenced by the spirit of Satan. In doing this Peter was of the same mind as fallen man under the power of Satan, who believed killing Christ would bring down the Kingdom of God, without understanding there would be no life without Christ, the perfect Lamb of God, dying for our sins. That's why Scripture tells us that it is through death that man shall live again. Men who follow Jesus understand that life in this world is nothing compared to the eternal life we receive when we have been born again in Christ.
 

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Like RWB said, "What are you talking about here?!"

You do not make any sense and I can see why you did not quote Scripture to back your nonsenses up.

Satan became prince when bronze serpent raised up on a pole in the desert... is that what you think this was what God talked about? Scripture please!
I do not make any sense to you and @rwb, because you have believed what is not completely true. As for quoting--Who am I speaking with--one who is not learned? I quoted it, but you can look it up yourself: What you have believed is riddled with the teachings of men, false teachers teaching destructive heresies--a lie. All quotes.

Exactly who is Satan that Christ put upon Himself?

Scripture please to see if you know what you are talking about.
Perhaps you are not learned. Satan is a son of God, the fallen one whom God made manifest in flesh and form in the creation of this world--which is not the kingdom of God--but is the valley of the shadow of death, having form, and thus, shadow of turning. All quotes.
 
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This makes no sense and is opinion without proving from the Bible what you allege! Do you really believe anyone should simply accept what you assume without proving it?
Which is greater, the Bible or He who inspired it?

I have no need to prove anything. Does God need to prove Himself by Himself? Does one sent to declare the things of God need any more authority, that they should have to present proof to mere men?

What do the scriptures say--everyone who makes claims should prove himself? No, but I expect that you know what the scriptures do say, but have instead made your own demands. But that is not how it works. Test every spirit if you will--but also understand--take to heart--the established method(s) of God that indeed are written.
 

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I do not make any sense to you and @rwb, because you have believed what is not completely true. As for quoting--Who am I speaking with--one who is not learned? I quoted it, but you can look it up yourself: What you have believed is riddled with the teachings of men, false teachers teaching destructive heresies--a lie. All quotes.

He who alleges must prove...IF you want to be taken seriously! Otherwise, I won't waste any more time responding to you.
Perhaps you are not learned. Satan is a son of God, the fallen one whom God made manifest in flesh and form in the creation of this world--which is not the kingdom of God--but is the valley of the shadow of death, having form, and thus, shadow of turning. All quotes.

It seems you are the unlearned one Scott! Satan has never been a son of God! He was not created good and became Satan, but as the Word of God tells us he is a liar and murderer from the beginning, which is why he is called the father of lies. The spirit being called Satan (serpent at the beginning) was NEVER a good spirit of God who became evil. He was from the beginning more subtil, cunning, crafty than any other of God's creation. He was NOT created good and became evil, he is from the beginning evil.

Genesis 3:1 (KJV) Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

John 8:44 (KJV) Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Genesis 3:13 (KJV) And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.

2 Corinthians 11:3 (KJV)
But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

I'm assuming you think Satan was an angel of God until pride entered his heart and sinned against God, becoming Satan. But Scripture also disproves this unbiblical belief. None of the angels are, and never have been sons of God, because the angels of God are spirit and God ordained humans to be His sons/daughters, not spirit beings.

Hebrews 1:7 (KJV) And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.

Hebrews 1:13-14 (KJV) But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool? Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

Angels are not written in the book of life because only human flesh is ordained to eternal life, not spirit beings called angels of God.

Philippians 4:3 (KJV) And I intreat thee also, true yokefellow, help those women which laboured with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and with other my fellowlabourers, whose names are in the book of life.

Revelation 20:15 (KJV) And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Revelation 3:5 (KJV) He that overcometh,
the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

Jesus took upon Himself the form of a servant, made in the likeness of men, not angels. Which is why mankind, (not spirit beings called angels) who are born again through the Spirit of Christ have been ordained to be sons of God and not spirit beings (angels).

Philippians 2:7-8 (KJV) But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
 

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He who alleges must prove...IF you want to be taken seriously! Otherwise, I won't waste any more time responding to you.
Says who? If "he who alleges must prove"--show me the scripture. Isn't that how you like things?

But, no, you are under the wrong impression. That is not the biblical model at all. On the contrary--God speaks (often through one of His own choosing)--and people are given the choice to believe it or not. Period. If you think that is wasting your time--yes, time is short and running out--do what you will.

As for me...I will serve the Lord.
 

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It seems you are the unlearned one Scott! Satan has never been a son of God!
Why do you do this to yourself?

Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them. Job 1:6​

How you are fallen from heaven,
O Lucifer, son of the morning!
How you are cut down to the ground,
You who weakened the nations! Isaiah 14:12​
 

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God ordained humans to be His sons/daughters, not spirit beings.
How many half-truths will you continue with to try and prove what you merely believe?

God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.” John 4:24​

Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect. Matthew 5:48​

Your kingdom come. Your will be done On earth as it is in heaven. Matthew 6:10​

And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was. John 17:5​
 

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Hebrews 1:7 (KJV) And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
Do you not understand that He who "maketh...his ministers a flame of fire"--means He makes them Holy "Spirit" fire--that "consuming fire" of the Spirit, as He is spirit?
 

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Jesus took upon Himself the form of a servant, made in the likeness of men, not angels. Which is why mankind, (not spirit beings called angels) who are born again through the Spirit of Christ have been ordained to be sons of God and not spirit beings (angels).

Philippians 2:7-8 (KJV) But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Do you not understand that by taking on the form and likeness of a man, Jesus became death--that He "descended into the lower parts of the earth" not to become as lowly flesh forever--but rather, that He might defeat death, once for all? Ephesians 4:9
 

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I do not make any sense to you and @rwb, because you have believed what is not completely true. As for quoting--Who am I speaking with--one who is not learned? I quoted it, but you can look it up yourself: What you have believed is riddled with the teachings of men, false teachers teaching destructive heresies--a lie. All quotes.

No, you have not quoted a single passage of Scripture to support the gibberish you are promoting. Your arguments are pure nonsense. Frankly, it is obvious that you do not know what you are talking about—something that seems to be confirmed by the reviews of the books you are selling on Amazon.

Perhaps you are not learned. Satan is a son of God, the fallen one whom God made manifest in flesh and form in the creation of this world--which is not the kingdom of God--but is the valley of the shadow of death, having form, and thus, shadow of turning. All quotes.

No, it is you who is demonstrating an unteachable spirit. The idea that Christ somehow took His “son,” Satan, and made him a bronze serpent to free us is frankly absurd and has no basis in Scripture whatsoever. It is pure speculation dressed up as theology. I have heard enough, so I will sent you to...
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No, you have not quoted a single passage of Scripture to support the gibberish you are promoting. Your arguments are pure nonsense. Frankly, it is obvious that you do not know what you are talking about—something that seems to be confirmed by the reviews of the books you are selling on Amazon.
Oh, you want chapter and verse? My answer to you is: No. If you don't see and hear the scriptures in what I have said, that is on you. None of which I would do, if you heard or saw but sincerely did not understand. But that is not the case with you--therefore that which you have will be taken from you. So be it.

As for the confirmation, you have confirmed your own position.