The Shortest Way To The Truth

[Rotsen777]

The Shortest Way To The Truth

There are two important things about knowing God and the salvation of our souls that we have to consider to keep ourselves away from deception, to wit:

1. Neither the bible nor John, Luke, Matthew, Paul, and the rest of the apostles is God.

2. Jesus is Immanuel, who is always beside us all the time. He is in a 24/7 watch mode for us who will come to Him and call on Him for the salvation of our souls.

Why do we have to be so obsessed with biblical accounts that we treat them as if they were the only source of truth about God and the salvation of our souls when Jesus is with us always, though we do not see Him yet? He can surely bring us to the truth if we come to Him and call on Him in the right way. Jesus, real and forever living God, is the only way to the truth about God and our salvation.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

The Shortest Way To The Truth

There are two important things about knowing God and the salvation of our souls that we have to consider to keep ourselves away from deception, to wit:

1. Neither the bible nor John, Luke, Matthew, Paul, and the rest of the apostles is God.

2. Jesus is Immanuel, who is always beside us all the time. He is in a 24/7 watch mode for us who will come to Him and call on Him for the salvation of our souls.

Why do we have to be so obsessed with biblical accounts that we treat them as if they were the only source of truth about God and the salvation of our souls when Jesus is with us always, though we do not see Him yet? He can surely bring us to the truth if we come to Him and call on Him in the right way. Jesus, real and forever living God, is the only way to the truth about God and our salvation.

The bible is the breathed Word of God that teaches how to seek the Living word. any revelation that contradicts or alters the bible is a false teaching and must be resisited at all costs.

 

[Rotsen777]

The bible is the breathed Word of God that teaches how to seek the Living word.

The Lord Jesus defined the bible as testimonies to Him so that people may come to Him to have life, but you fabricated a doctrine about the bible as if it were Jesus, who is the only Teacher and Pastor of all in His flock.

any revelation that contradicts or alters the bible is a false teaching and must be resisited at all costs.

Now the situation gets much worse; wittingly or unwittingly, you definitely elevated the bible to the status of God.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

The Lord Jesus defined the bible as testimonies to Him so that people may come to Him to have life, but you fabricated a doctrine about the bible as if it were Jesus, who is the only Teacher and Pastor of all in His flock.

Now the situation gets much worse; wittingly or unwittingly, you definitely elevated the bible to the status of God.

Well you are accusing falsely. I have not elevated the bible to being God. I hold it as the breathed word of God inspired by Him to be writtena nd obeyed throughout teh centuries.

It lays down the foundation by which we can come to know God more intimately and personally.
Any doctrine or teaching that contradicts Scripture or alters it is not from god! God is not duplicitous

 

[PS95]

How did you learn about Jesus? If it was by word of mouth I can tell you that they learned of Him in the scriptures. It sounds as if you are saying we don't need the scriptures?
Surely you don't think that...

Is it possible to be so argumentative over a verse or two that could possibly be viewed differently that we forget love? YES.
That isn't the fault of the scriptures. We can agree to disagree in a civil way.

But there are many false teachers who are obvious if you pay close attention, and those we need to expose and avoid.
Are you one of the the people who thinks Paul teaches a different gospel that Jesus and the apostles?
If so, I can only tell you that you are misunderstanding what Paul wrote then, and you need to take the time to focus on ALL that he wrote.

Having said that- there is MUCH to gain in alone time in prayer allowing Him to teach us!!

 

[GRACE ambassador]

you definitely elevated the bible to the status of God.

Well you are accusing falsely. I have not elevated the bible to being God.

Precious friend(s), Actually God Himself Elevated His Word:

"I will worship toward Thy Holy temple, and praise Thy Name for Thy Lovingkindness and​

for Thy Truth: for Thou Hast Magnified Thy Word Above All Thy Name." (Psalms 138:2 AV)​

More study:
Special Handling Of The Word Of Life
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And, precious friend(s), Please Be Very Richly Encouraged and Edified
In The Lord Jesus Christ and In His Precious Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided:

The Bible: The BIG Picture

Amen.

 

[GRACE ambassador]

Are you one of the the people who thinks Paul teaches a different gospel that Jesus and the apostles?...
...there is MUCH to gain in alone time in prayer allowing Him to teach us!!

Precious friend, Yes, Totally Agree that there is Much ( Approval ) to be gained studying God's
Precious Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided. Alone time in prayer, The Holy Spirit Reveals:

1) God's Two Different Programs
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2) God's Two Different Gospels

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And, precious friend(s), Please Be Very Richly Encouraged and Edified
In The Lord Jesus Christ and In His Precious Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided:

The Bible: The BIG Picture

Amen.

 

[Gottservant]

The fastest way to truth, is the path within. (selah)

Interesting topic!

 

[Rotsen777]

Well you are accusing falsely. I have not elevated the bible to being God. I hold it as the breathed word of God inspired by Him to be writtena nd obeyed throughout teh centuries.

Do you know that God alone, real and forever living, is to be obeyed across all ages, and from eternity to eternity, not our bible today? By your notion, you’re persistently tying God to the bible.

It lays down the foundation by which we can come to know God

There you are, God alone is the one who lays down the foundation by which we can rightfully know Him, not the bible, which is a book of testimonies to God, whose name is Jesus. We have to come and call on the Lord God to hear the truth from Him, as well as to know Him rightfully by Himself, not by the Bible.

more intimately and personally.

God alone is the one who reveals Himself to those who come to Him for their salvation and desire to know God wholeheartedly, in intimate and personal manner.

Any doctrine or teaching that contradicts Scripture or alters it is not from god! God is not duplicitous

Again, you are perpetually elevating the Bible as if it were God, don’t you see it? Any doctrine or teaching that does not come out from the mouth of the Lord God is not from God. The bible is not God, btw.

 

[Rotsen777]

The fastest way to truth, is the path within. (selah)

Interesting topic!

What exactly is that path within, which you mentioned above?

 

[Rotsen777]

Precious friend, Yes, Totally Agree that there is Much ( Approval ) to be gained studying God's
Precious Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided. Alone time in prayer, The Holy Spirit Reveals:

1) God's Two Different Programs
+
2) God's Two Different Gospels

-------
And, precious friend(s), Please Be Very Richly Encouraged and Edified
In The Lord Jesus Christ and In His Precious Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided:

The Bible: The BIG Picture

Amen.

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Jesus alone is the Savior, and He is not the bible nor is He tied or anchored to the bible.

 

[Rotsen777]

How did you learn about Jesus? If it was by word of mouth I can tell you that they learned of Him in the scriptures. It sounds as if you are saying we don't need the scriptures?

Oh, what a play of words here! The name Jesus is known by many by word of mouth, but His nature, as God, cannot be determined through the use of scriptures.

We don’t need scriptures if we are specifically looking for our salvation and eternal life, which we can only attain from the real and forever living Christ Jesus alone, not from the bible. There are only two (2) parties involved in attaining salvation and eternal life - the Lord Jesus Christ, and you/me/them. The function of the Lord is to shepherd and guide us to our salvation and eternal life, and grant us salvation and eternal life along the way while He shepherds and guides us. Our function, on the flip side of a coin, is to listen to and obediently follow the Lord until the end to maintain our salvation and eternal life [in us].

Surely you don't think that...

Is it possible to be so argumentative over a verse or two that could possibly be viewed differently that we forget love? YES.
That isn't the fault of the scriptures. We can agree to disagree in a civil.…..

Scriptures are not given to us to know God rightfully by their pages, and to attain our salvation and eternal life. The scriptures testify [to us] that God really exists and we can always come to Him for our salvation and eternal life. If we want to know God rightfully, let’s come and call on Him, then listen to and follow Him when He responds.

But there are many false teachers who are obvious if you pay close attention, and those we need to expose and avoid.
Are you one of the the people who thinks Paul teaches a different gospel that Jesus and the apostles?
If so, I can only tell you that you are misunderstanding what Paul wrote then, and you need to take the time to focus on ALL that he wrote.

Having said that- there is MUCH to gain in alone time in prayer allowing Him to teach us!!

The Lord Jesus is only the Teacher and Pastor in His flock, across all ages. If you are not under the shepherding and tutelage of Jesus, you’re under a false teacher whose source of teachings is not Jesus but the Bible and his opinion alone.

 

[PS95]

Oh, what a play of words here! The name Jesus is known by many by word of mouth, but His nature, as God, cannot be determined through the use of scriptures.

We don’t need scriptures if we are specifically looking for our salvation and eternal life, which we can only attain from the real and forever living Christ Jesus alone, not from the bible. There are only two (2) parties involved in attaining salvation and eternal life - the Lord Jesus Christ, and you/me/them. The function of the Lord is to shepherd and guide us to our salvation and eternal life, and grant us salvation and eternal life along the way while He shepherds and guides us. Our function, on the flip side of a coin, is to listen to and obediently follow the Lord until the end to maintain our salvation and eternal life [in us].



Scriptures are not given to us to know God rightfully by their pages, and to attain our salvation and eternal life. The scriptures testify [to us] that God really exists and we can always come to Him for our salvation and eternal life. If we want to know God rightfully, let’s come and call on Him, then listen to and follow Him when He responds.


The Lord Jesus is only the Teacher and Pastor in His flock, across all ages. If you are not under the shepherding and tutelage of Jesus, you’re under a false teacher whose source of teachings is not Jesus but the Bible and his opinion alone.

I will just say this- God has gifted me with His Spirit as he graciously does for all of His children. What I have been shown is that He can speak to my heart without a bible- and He does. BUT-
He also has made the words of scripture come alive at times for me when He so chooses. I can not deny that.

No man has taught me about God. I had to start from scratch and learn just me and Him and the scriptures.
That is what He has given to us to learn about Him and His will for us. Of course there is nothing wrong with prayer and it should be the top priority- but to toss aside the written word of God in my mind is a very unwise error. The scriptures enhance our relationship with Him if used properly!
I noticed that you ignored my comment about Paul- I take it you don't trust the scriptures? i mean if Paul can have all of those epistles in there, how could it be accurate, right? Am I getting warmer?

 

[Rotsen777]

I will just say this- God has gifted me with His Spirit as he graciously does for all of His children. What I have been shown is that He can speak to my heart without a bible- and He does.

How sure are you God gifted you with His Spirit when you’ve heard nothing yet from God; have you encountered and talked to God?

BUT-
He also has made the words of scripture come alive at times for me when He so chooses. I can not deny that.

You’re just fabricating an opinion by yourself if you have not heard anything yet from God.

No man has taught me about God. I had to start from scratch and learn just me and Him and the scriptures.

What a bundle of errors! No one comes rightfully to the knowledge about God through the scriptures but by and through the real and forever living Christ Jesus alone.

That is what He has given to us to learn about Him and His will for us.

You’re propagating lies you don’t understand. Unless you come and call upon the Lord and attentively listen to Him when He responds, you’ll remain in your current status of fabricating your own doctrines and oopinion full of lies.

Of course there is nothing wrong with prayer and it should be the top priority- but to toss aside the written word of God in my mind is a very unwise error.

What benefit will the Bible give to your soul when it is not a party in attaining salvation and eternal life?

The scriptures enhance our relationship with Him if used properly!

How? Have you learned that from the Lord?

I noticed that you ignored my comment about Paul- I take it you don't trust the scriptures? i mean if Paul can have all of those epistles in there, how could it be accurate, right? Am I getting warmer?

Do we need anything from Paul when Jesus is more than enough for all of us? Paul could no longer teach us, could he?

 

[PS95]

How sure are you God gifted you with His Spirit when you’ve heard nothing yet from God; have you encountered and talked to God?



You’re just fabricating an opinion by yourself if you have not heard anything yet from God.


What a bundle of errors! No one comes rightfully to the knowledge about God through the scriptures but by and through the real and forever living Christ Jesus alone.

You’re propagating lies you don’t understand. Unless you come and call upon the Lord and attentively listen to Him when He responds, you’ll remain in your current status of fabricating your own doctrines and oopinion full of lies.

What benefit will the Bible give to your soul when it is not a party in attaining salvation and eternal life?

How? Have you learned that from the Lord?

Do we need anything from Paul when Jesus is more than enough for all of us? Paul could no longer teach us, could he?

I have never blocked anyone on here yet. You may be the first.

 

[Rotsen777]

I have never blocked anyone on here yet. You may be the first.

If Jesus were your Pastor and Teacher, you would never run out of reasons in testifying to your Master. Are you testifying to yourself?

 

[PS95]

If Jesus were your Pastor and Teacher, you would never run out of reasons in testifying to your Master. Are you testifying to yourself?

My Master taught me to shake the dust to those who dishonor Him. You dishonor Him by dishonoring His chosen Apostle to the Gentiles.
Ciao.

 

[Rotsen777]

My Master taught me to shake the dust to those who dishonor Him. You dishonor Him by dishonoring His chosen Apostle to the Gentiles.
Ciao.

Don’t take me for a ride in a nutshell, will you? By your narratives, your masters, obviously, are yourself and the Bible. How would Jesus tell you to shake the dust on me [whom you accuse of dishonoring His chosen apostle to the Gentiles] when you were, in reality, reading and studying the Bible, instead of listening to and following the Lord Jesus as the apostles did? Besides, you’ve heard nothing yet from the Lord Jesus.

 

[PS95]

Don’t take me for a ride in a nutshell, will you? By your narratives, your masters, obviously, are yourself and the Bible. How would Jesus tell you to shake the dust on me [whom you accuse of dishonoring His chosen apostle to the Gentiles] when you were, in reality, reading and studying the Bible, instead of listening to and following the Lord Jesus as the apostles did? Besides, you’ve heard nothing yet from the Lord Jesus.

I find you to be incredibly rude and arrogant. That's not a fruit of the Spirit. You come here demanding that we do not know Christ if we also use the scriptures? Just what is your deal? Why do you say I have never heard from the Lord? Can't you read what I have written to you before? Obviously not. I do not have to answer to you. I am not going to continue this dialogue further until you tell us why you disregard to writings of the apostles. That is perhaps a discussion you need to engage in with someone here. Coming here and tossing around accusations wildly goes nowhere.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Do you know that God alone, real and forever living, is to be obeyed across all ages, and from eternity to eternity, not our bible today? By your notion, you’re persistently tying God to the bible.

Because He tied Himself to His Word!

Matthew 4:4​

But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.​

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2 Timothy 3:16​

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:​

Psalm 119:105

King James Version

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105 Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.

Amongst many other passages.