Can One Be Christian and Not Believe In The Trinity?

[Armour of God]

You're funny stuff Armour.
STILL INSULTING.

You are NOT a Christian UNLESS you believe Christian theology and the core tenets of the Christian religion.

If you want to be Jewish, you must accept what Judaism teaches.

If you want to be Muslim, you must accept what the islamic religion teaches.

If you want to be Christian, you must accept what the Christian religion teaches.

You've most probably never pondered this before....

You are NOT A CHRISTIAN because you do not understand the Trinity...
many do not.

You are NOT A CHRISTIAN because you DO NOT ACCEPT the Trinity.

And yes, you DID make a lame statement.
The lame statement is:

THE WORD TRINITY IS NOT IN THE BIBLE.

So?
But the concept is.
That statement is a lame excuse for not accepting the number one core tenet of the CHRISTIAN RELIGION.


It does sound as if the bitterness is on your end.

There are Christian denominations that don't believe in the trinity. Im not bitter, i already forgave you for your lies, shaming, slandering and false accusations.
Your the bitter one. Your labels mean nothing.
But whatever you say Pope Lea

 

[Armour of God]

You do not need to understand the mystery of Trinity, how it technically works. You do not even need to know the creeds from memory or something.

But when you are provided the creeds, you cannot reject them and still call yourself an orthodox Christian.

Well you can just me a theist if you like. It doesn't bother me my friend
God bless

 

[Armour of God]

Hey. feel free to send any Q's my way. I do not subscribe to the idea that you must believe in the trinity creed to be a believer. It is a complex doctrine and few take the time to really understand what they meant. To be honest, most believers have no idea. That is when they say we can't understand it. What we can't understand is God in His fullness. -We can certainly understand what they were teaching and why.
I do not think we have to believe all of the creed to be true believers.

Thank you for your kind words my friend but I think I'll just sit back and watch everyone else bickering over the subject. Maybe I'll learn something but I doubt it.

God bless

 

[ProDeo]

I accept the trinity exists and i accept that some people believe it. But many people don't accept that some people don't understand it. Maybe I'm not a Christian after all. Maybe i should just call my self a theist instead

The Godhead (I personally think this is a better description of the word trinity) is never meant to be understood because that is impossible, it is meant to believed, based on what the OT and NT tells us. I don't understand thus I reject is worldly / fleshy thinking. Consider faith.

 

[HealthyShape]

Well you can just me a theist if you like. It doesn't bother me my friend
God bless

There is a small technical problem - these are "Christians Only" forums. Changing your profile to "other faith" will mean you will lose access. And you will be able to participate only in some inter-faith dialog forums.

 

[HealthyShape]

The Godhead (I personally think this is a better description of the word trinity) is never meant to be understood because that is impossible, it is meant to believed, based on what the OT and NT tells us. I don't understand thus I reject is worldly / fleshy thinking. Consider faith.

The same applies to two natures of Christ - fully human, fully God. It is also the matter of faith, not of understanding how it is technically possible.

 

[Armour of God]

There is a small technical problem - these are "Christians Only" forums. Changing your profile to "other faith" will mean you will lose access. And you will be able to participate only in some inter-faith dialog forums.

I said you can call me a theist. I still call myself a Christian, even though i don't understand many things still I love God and I love Jesus

 

[ProDeo]

The same applies to two natures of Christ - fully human, fully God. It is also the question of faith, not of understanding how it is technically possible.

Exactly.

Faith.

 

[Armour of God]

The Godhead (I personally think this is a better description of the word trinity) is never meant to be understood because that is impossible, it is meant to believed, based on what the OT and NT tells us. I don't understand thus I reject is worldly / fleshy thinking. Consider faith.

How can I believe something that I don't understand? You mention faith but there are Christian denominations that don't adhere to the trinity. I still consider myself to be Christian

 

[HealthyShape]

I said you can call me a theist. I still call myself a Christian, even though i don't understand many things still I love God and I love Jesus

What do you mean I can call you a theist? What will it change? I did not make the rules of this board.

 

[HealthyShape]

there are Christian denominations that don't adhere to the trinity.

Jehovah Witnesses, Mormons and other sects and cults that do not adhere to the orthodox teaching of Trinity are not Christian. They do not belong to the apostolic line of the Christian faith.

 

[Armour of God]

What do you mean I can call you a theist? What will it change? I did not make the rules of this board. Have you read them?

I mean that I consider myself to be a Christian despite your opinion

 

[HealthyShape]

I mean that I consider myself to be a Christian despite your opinion

I know you do. But (I will repeat myself for the third time) this board has some rules.

You are not attacking Trinity at least, some people here who call themselves Christian are worse and very active in that. But they are still tolerated by moderators, for some mysterious reason.

 

[Armour of God]

I know you do. But (I will repeat myself for the third time) this board has some rules.

You are not attacking Trinity at least, some people here who call themselves Christian are worse. But they are still tolerated by moderators.

Go see a moderatior if you think I'm breaking rules for simply admitting that I don't understand the trinity. Let them decide if it bothers you so much

 

[HealthyShape]

Go see a moderatior if you think I'm breaking rules for simply admitting that I don't understand the trinity. Let them decide if it bothers you so much

If you will attack Trinity, I will. You are not attacking Trinity, at least (I will repeat myself again).

 

[JustMe]

Those that have no desire to hold to Christian teachings will not understand scripture about Jesus,,,
but they will actually try to defend their point of view with the bible itself.

The same bible that calls Jesus MY LORD AND MY GOD.
Thomas crying to Jesus.
John 20:28


OUR GREAT GOD AND SAVIOR [JESUS]
Titus 2:13


The NT is not easy to understand and those that do not accept Christian theology will misunderstand a lot of scripture.

JESUS IS THE FIRST BORN OVER ALL CREATION.

Since you want to be a member of the Christian RELIGION...
You might want to learn and accept what it teaches.

Here is a good explanation of the above statement in Col 1:15



The description "firstborn of all creation" speaks of Christ’s preexistence. He is not a creature but the eternal Creator (John 1:10). God created the world through Christ and redeemed the world through Christ (Hebrews 1:2-4).

Note that Jesus is called the firstborn, not the first-created. The word "firstborn" (Greek word "prototokos") signifies priority. In the culture of the Ancient Near East, the firstborn was not necessarily the oldest child. firstborn referred not to birth order but to rank. The firstborn possessed the inheritance and leadership.

Therefore, the phrase expresses Christ’s sovereignty over creation. After resurrecting Jesus from the dead, God gave Him authority over the Earth (Matthew 28:18). Jesus created the world, saved the world, and rules the world. He is the self-existent, acknowledged Head of creation.

Finally, the phrase recognizes Him as the Messiah: "I will make Him [Christ] My firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth" (Psalm 89:27).

Six times the Lord Jesus is declared to be the firstborn of God (see Romans 8:29; Colossians 1:15, 18; Hebrews 1:6; 12:23; Revelation 1:5). These passages declare the preexistence, the sovereignty, and the redemption that Christ offers.


source: What does it mean that Jesus is the “firstborn” over Creation? | GotQuestions.org

Stubborn to the end....never knowing the truth only the making of fables and illogical reasonings like in Col 1:15. And you really think Paul would agree with his simply and easy to understand context when he was speaking to his audience about the New creation for believers and men since Christ's resurrection, about the new Genesis. Why do I bother writing back to you as it's a fruitless endeavor, like hitting a brick wall.

Well, here's another reference for your records that you should read and read well because you have John 1:10 all wrong as well, as you do with most scripture when it is not sit well or not suited for your ill-formed belief system.

John 1:10 is affirming that the divine presence (the "true light" or God’s power with his word) was in the world through Yeshua, not that Jesus pre-existed as God! That would be a foolish deduction to make and not consistent with the logic and context of Johns' writings.

The verse states: "He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not."
This emphasizes that the "he" in this verse refers to the "true light" (John 1:9), which is understood as God the Father, who dwelled in Yeshua. The Father, not his Son, is the ultimate Creator.

The phrase "the world was made by him" means the world was created for the sake of Yeshua, not that he created it! The Greek word used can imply purpose or benefit, not causation.

The term "world" (κόσμος) is interpreted as referring to human inhabitants or God’s people, not the physical universe!

Thus, the verse describes God’s presence among humanity through his Son he created, who was sent to reconcile people to God, my Father.

This interpretation aligns with the broader and logical view in John's writings: Yeshua is the anointed Son of God, the Messiah, and the perfect revelation of the Father—but not God Himself. The Father alone is the one true God.

Key distinction: While the world "knew him not," the Father was in Yeshua, and those who received Yeshua were given the power to become children of God (John 1:12). This reflects a divine-human relationship, not a divine identity.

And you still do not believe that God possessed his Son with his word and spirit in full, by his anointing as the Messiah. You had to over-kill it, and made him another God as his Father instead, because of your lack of faith in the true God and his true Son. You would rather tinker around the edges and made God and his Son fit your pet '-ism' beliefs. And I doubt you possess the spirits of truth and knowledge and understanding to know the real errs and differences based in what you write as truth.

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[HealthyShape]

@JustMe you not only break the rules of this board calling yourself Christian, you even have the audacity to publicly attack the deity of Christ, here?

 

[Armour of God]

If you will attack Trinity, I will. You are not attacking Trinity, at least (I will repeat myself again).

My friend, at the end of the day I consider myself to be a Christian because I follow Gods and Christ's teachings. It doesn't bother me what other people want to label me
God bless

 

[HealthyShape]

My friend, at the end of the day I consider myself to be a Christian because I follow Gods and Christ's teachings. It doesn't bother me what other people want to label me
God bless

Yes, I know you consider yourself to be a Christian. But it is not the private self-assessment that is being discussed here...

 

[ProDeo]

How can I believe something that I don't understand?

There you go :

1. Do you understand that the good Lord can read the minds and their intentions of 8 billion people in a split of a second ?

2. Do you understand that before A&E were created the good Lord already knew the outcome and in His wisdom and love before He created A&E offered the solution for sin, the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world (Rev 13:8, 1 Peter 1:20) ? That Jesus already existed before A&E were created (Col 1:16) ?

3. Based on (2), do you understand that no mere man can pay for the sins of the world? Do you understand that the good Lord rejected Abraham willingness to sacrifice mere man Isaac? That only a part of Himself could carry the weight the sins of the world? Can you feel the love in the between time? All of this before A&E were created.

4. Do you understand a mere man is given all authority in heaven and earth? Apparently you do.

Etc.