THE FAKE KJV ONLY ARGUMENT

[SavedInHim]

That matter is still moot, simply because the English Bible translations after Wescott and Hort's corrupt 'personal' Greek NT translation was presented to the revision committee, and also used thereafter by modern translations, even the NEW King James Version of 1982, is what the real attack against the 1611 KJV Bible is about.

If you look in the front of the NKJV it clearly states that the TR is used as its Greek text. It does include NU alternate readings in the footnotes. Sometimes it reads differently than the KJV but it's not because it uses NA/UBS, W/H or anything else; it simply translates the TR differently than the KJV—usually for the better. No one is attacking anything, they've simply moved on. It's called progress; you know, that thing they hated so much in the dark ages.

 

[amigo de christo]

Never heed .
never follow the voice of a progressive one . For what they call progress
is naught but a way around THE TRUTH . and beware for they can make t hemselves appear very wise
when they do so .
never heed and never follow such .

 

[SavedInHim]

Never heed .
never follow the voice of a progressive one . For what they call progress
is naught but a way around THE TRUTH . and beware for they can make t hemselves appear very wise
when they do so .
never heed and never follow such .

You can't stop progress. Progress isn't the enemy of truth, ignorance is.

 

[Wrangler]

I don’t think you are open to proof - facts, evidence, reason. The KJV had its day in the sun but is now the worst translation available in English. Not even close. Pushing it IDOLATRY.

We are not saved by a translation.

You haven't posted any of that - just the same ole ad hominems and non sequiturs.

I've course I've posted facts and reasonable argument to support the conclusion that KJV had its day in the sun but is now the worst translation available in English.

Let's start by you acknowledging that we are not saved by a translation. Can you acknowledge that?

 

[Wrangler]

Thus arguments over how difficult the KJV Bible is to read over modern translations is actually a useless argument

Nope. It's the winning argument. You don't get to decide what translations other people decide to read OR what their reason is for making that choice.

Obviously, you have a total lack of respect for other people's opinion. Other people don't want to even attempt to read an archaic work. PERIOD. And I don't blame them.

I read for me not you. If you say it's not that hard to read, good on you. It's not even subjective. The translation is obsolete. It is unreasonable to keep pushing it. All you're doing is causing division among God's children. Your IDOLATRY is on display. It's pathetic.

 

[Marvelloustime]

Never heed .
never follow the voice of a progressive one . For what they call progress
is naught but a way around THE TRUTH . and beware for they can make t hemselves appear very wise
when they do so .
never heed and never follow such .

@amigo de christo

 

[amigo de christo]

You can't stop progress. Progress isn't the enemy of truth, ignorance is.

Me wasnt talking about progress . I was t alking about progressive theology mindset .
OH my and oh me , about the only prog ress they have made is BACKWARDS and only into more rebellion than ever b efore .

 

[Davy]

Me wasnt talking about progress . I was t alking about progressive theology mindset .
OH my and oh me , about the only prog ress they have made is BACKWARDS and only into more rebellion than ever b efore .

The word Communism is unpopular today. Their new word is 'Progressive'. All one need do is study how close the two political theories align.

 

[doctrox]

Other people don't want to even attempt to read an archaic work. PERIOD. And I don't blame them.

What else is new in the world of "other people"? Rather, we are of Christ and not of the world's "other people". Thus, your comment is yet another non sequitur.

If you say it's not that hard to read, good on you. It's not even subjective.

Again, nothing there but your opinion.

The translation is obsolete.

Again, a presumption (which is a sin).

The word of God is clear that it is a sin to deal presumptuously with others:

Numbers 15:30, "But the soul that doeth ought presumptuously, whether he be born in the land, or a stranger, the same reproacheth the LORD; and that soul shall be cut off from among his people."

Deuteronomy 17:13, "And all the people shall hear, and fear, and do no more presumptuously."

Psalms 19:13, "Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me: then shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent from the great transgression."

It is unreasonable to keep pushing it. All you're doing is causing division among God's children. Your IDOLATRY is on display. It's pathetic.

Rather, it is you who is "causing division" and is therefore "pathetic."

It is idolatrous to direct ppl away from the word of God.

Wrangler, to get cleaned up, you'll need to wise up. Hear what God says about how to obtain wisdom:

If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God [not of bible critics], that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. But let him ask in faith [not in the flesh], nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed. For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord. A double minded man is unstable in all his ways [lots of instability being witnessed here].

I've course I've posted facts and reasonable argument to support the conclusion that KJV had its day in the sun but is now the worst translation available in English.

Let's start by you acknowledging that we are not saved by a translation. Can you acknowledge that?

All your arguments are coming from your carnal mind. This is why you rage in here, which everyone but you can see.

Time to bust out the kneepads.

 

[Davy]

If you look in the front of the NKJV it clearly states that the TR is used as its Greek text. It does include NU alternate readings in the footnotes. Sometimes it reads differently than the KJV but it's not because it uses NA/UBS, W/H or anything else; it simply translates the TR differently than the KJV—usually for the better. No one is attacking anything, they've simply moved on. It's called progress; you know, that thing they hated so much in the dark ages.

I wish I could agree with you, but I cannot, I know better.

https://avpublications.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/New-King-James-Omissions-tract-courtesy-of-AV-Publications.pdf

 

[shepherdsword]

Erasmus was a textual critic. The textus receptus is an eclectic document, partly based on the Latin Vulgate (look out!). I think it's fantastic we have all the different manuscripts and fragments we have today, and Bibles that include footnotes and variant readings. Erasmus would've love it too!

by "partley" I assume you mean a very miniscule amount. Erasmus used the vulgate for Rev 22:16-21. I actually like the "Book of life" translation better that the "Tree of Life" translation since the book of life is mentioned as what we are judged from in Rev 20:15
But let every man be persuaded in his own mind.

 

[Wrangler]

All your arguments are coming from your carnal mind.

Your unwillingness to answer the most basic question tells the story. For all your IDOLATROUS rationalizations, you refuse to admit that we are not saved by a translation.

Know the truth and the truth will set you free.

 

[Wrangler]

What else is new in the world of "other people"? Rather, we are of Christ and not of the world's "other people". Thus, your comment is yet another non sequitur.

Bizarre in Pretending a translation is divine.

 

[amigo de christo]

Your unwillingness to answer the most basic question tells the story. For all your IDOLATROUS rationalizations, you refuse to admit that we are not saved by a translation.

Know the truth and the truth will set you free.

Yes indeed know THE TRUTH AND THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE .
so , here is some truth . AND Its gonna expose the heck out of the interfaith interreligious dialgoue camp .
Who cliams we all serve the same GOD , tha twe all coming to THE SAME GOD
that the G od of the christains is no better than the god of all them other religoins .
NO MAN can cALL HIM LORD , but BY THE SPIRIT . thus if one has the SPIRIT THEY WOULD CALL HIM LORD .
And no man calls JESUS accursed by the SPIRIT . thus HELLO ALL THEM FALSE RELIGO:INS ARE FALSE RELIGOINS
DO NOT HAVE THE SPIRIT OF GOD . ITS all a lie . ev ery last bit of it they t each . LIES of anti christ .
That is why I warn ag aisnt that ecumeincal interfaith .
NOW if i said something f alse , PROVE IT THROUGH SCRIPTURE and if you agree , THEN please know
and underst and THAT IS why i been warning against the harlot led train of antichrist stuff .

 

[doctrox]

From the OP:

There is propaganda pushed today against those who rely on the 1611 King James Bible instead of the more modern English Bible translations like the ASV, RSV, ESV, NIV, NKJV, NLV, etc.

...propaganda with diabolical intent.

Sometimes [the NKJV] reads differently than the KJV but it's not because it uses NA/UBS, W/H or anything else; it simply translates the TR differently than the KJV—usually for the better.

Primary and secondary documentation reveals otherwise.

Rudolf Kittel edited and changed the Hebrew Old Testament text. It is now printed and edited as Biblia Hebraica Stuttgartensia, in Stuttgart Germany. Even secular scholars admit Kittel was “liberal” and anti-Semitic.

Imagine an Old Testament altered by an anti-Semitic German! The NKJV (and all new versions) are based on this corrupt Hebrew text. The NKJV (and all new versions) have translated their Old Testament from a text edited by Kittel, a man who believed the Hebrew religion was a “cult,” whose followers worshipped a primitive “weather god.”

The NKJV removes "-est" endings, capitalizes pronouns, uses modern renderings and paraphrase, new age buzz words, private translation and private meanings (aka private interpretation), ad nauseum. The NKJV fails to translate the Greek hades at all. Note that the KJV uses the present tense verb, he ‘lift,’ not the past tense ‘lifted,’ ‘saw’ or ‘looked,’ like new versions; the rich man is still in hell.

The NKJV teaches salvation by works saying, “difficult is the way which leads to life” in Matt. 7:14. It is similar in wording and theology to the Catholic New Jerusalem Bible which says it is, “a hard road that leads to life.” In truth, the way of salvation is not difficult. It is strait and narrow. “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me” (John 14:6). There is only one way of salvation. “...one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all...” Eph 4:4-6. All the true Bibles of the world say, “strait” and “narrow” not ‘difficult.’ “...narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life” Matt. 7:14.

If you look in the front of the NKJV it clearly states that the TR is used as its Greek text. It does include NU alternate readings in the footnotes.

Rather, the NKJV departs from the majority. The NKJV footnotes erroneously point to the ‘Majority’ text, when they are in fact only referring to the faulty The Greek New Testament According to the Majority Text (1982) by Hodge-Farstad. It falls far short of a full collation of manuscripts since it is based primarily on Von Soden’s collation of only 414 of the over 5000 manuscripts.

Thomas Nelson Publishers, the company that commissioned and published the NKJV in 1982, was involved in a 1997 settlement with the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) regarding allegations of stock price manipulation. The CEO and Thomas Nelson agreed to return $359,375 plus interest to investors.

(NKJV) The Holy Bible, New King James Version, ©1979, 1980, 1982, Nashville: Thomas Nelson, Inc.

Caveat emptor.

I wish I could agree with you, but I cannot, I know better.

https://avpublications.com/wp-conte...issions-tract-courtesy-of-AV-Publications.pdf

Indeed.

 

[Marvelloustime]

Yes indeed know THE TRUTH AND THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE .
so , here is some truth . AND Its gonna expose the heck out of the interfaith interreligious dialgoue camp .
Who cliams we all serve the same GOD , tha twe all coming to THE SAME GOD
that the G od of the christains is no better than the god of all them other religoins .
NO MAN can cALL HIM LORD , but BY THE SPIRIT . thus if one has the SPIRIT THEY WOULD CALL HIM LORD .
And no man calls JESUS accursed by the SPIRIT . thus HELLO ALL THEM FALSE RELIGO:INS ARE FALSE RELIGOINS
DO NOT HAVE THE SPIRIT OF GOD . ITS all a lie . ev ery last bit of it they t each . LIES of anti christ .
That is why I warn ag aisnt that ecumeincal interfaith .
NOW if i said something f alse , PROVE IT THROUGH SCRIPTURE and if you agree , THEN please know
and underst and THAT IS why i been warning against the harlot led train of antichrist stuff .

@amigo de christo

 

[Justified]

The KJV had its day in the sun but is now the worst translation available in English. Not even close. Pushing it IDOLATRY.

That is to overstate the case. The KJV is a good translation, but is archaic, using a lot of words that either aren't used anymore or have a different meaning. Significantly worse are The Message, The Passion Translation, and the NWT.

 

[Davy]

That is to overstate the case. The KJV is a good translation, but is archaic, using a lot of words that either aren't used anymore or have a different meaning. Significantly worse are The Message, The Passion Translation, and the NWT.

English speaking Bible students still have no excuse to NOT use a 1611 KJV translation.

We don't need any more 'paraphrase' type Bible translations, which is what you refer to, and which is what modern English translations are after the 1800's.

To 'paraphrase' is to read something and interpret the idea, and then put into one's own words. You give one set of Bible manuscripts to 10 different Bible scholars, and with paraphrasing they each will interpret according to their own beliefs, and per tradition and history, and then put it into their own words. You can thus get 10 different Bible translations by doing that.

There are many things in Paul's Epistles that Peter said are hard to understand, that the unlearned struggle with. A paraphrase Bible translation is not going to bring those things into the modern translation which are paraphrasing. The Living Bible used to be one of the strongest paraphrased Bible. The NWT is not even a real Bible, it is full of the personal doctrines of the Jehovah Witness organization which denies Jesus of Nazareth as Emmanuel God with us.

The 1611 KJV Bible is the last, non-paraphrase Bible in the English. The translators concentrated especially on a word-for-word translation into the English. By that method, whether or not the Bible scholar understands a deeper Message from God in the manuscripts, a word-for-word translation will insure God's Message stays intact into the new translation.

 

[Justified]

English speaking Bible students still have no excuse to NOT use a 1611 KJV translation.

Yes, they certainly do.

To 'paraphrase' is to read something and interpret the idea, and then put into one's own words. You give one set of Bible manuscripts to 10 different Bible scholars, and with paraphrasing they each will interpret according to their own beliefs, and per tradition and history, and then put it into their own words. You can thus get 10 different Bible translations by doing that.

And that happens with word-for-word translations as well, since words can have multiple meanings depending on context and no language translates directly at all times into another language.

The NWT is not even a real Bible, it is full of the personal doctrines of the Jehovah Witness organization which denies Jesus of Nazareth as Emmanuel God with us.

Agreed.

The 1611 KJV Bible is the last, non-paraphrase Bible in the English.

False. The NASB, LSB, NRSV, and ESV are also formal equivalence and considered better word-for-word translations than the KJV. Then there are dynamic equivalence translations (thought-for-thought) such as the CSB/HCSB, NIV, and NLT. Then there are the paraphrase versions, like the GNT and The Message.

The translators concentrated especially on a word-for-word translation into the English. By that method, whether or not the Bible scholar understands a deeper Message from God in the manuscripts, a word-for-word translation will insure God's Message stays intact into the new translation.

And, yet, it is a translation of two (or three) languages into another, whether it's English or some other language. Things are always "lost" in translating from one language to another, hence why dynamic equivalence translations can be superior, at least in parts, since they get the actual idea across. Of course, this is one of the very reasons why any serious student of Scripture should be using multiple translations.

 

[rvmb]

Yes, they certainly do.


And that happens with word-for-word translations as well, since words can have multiple meanings depending on context and no language translates directly at all times into another language.


Agreed.


False. The NASB, LSB, NRSV, and ESV are also formal equivalence and considered better word-for-word translations than the KJV. Then there are dynamic equivalence translations (thought-for-thought) such as the CSB/HCSB, NIV, and NLT. Then there are the paraphrase versions, like the GNT and The Message.


And, yet, it is a translation of two (or three) languages into another, whether it's English or some other language. Things are always "lost" in translating from one language to another, hence why dynamic equivalence translations can be superior, at least in parts, since they get the actual idea across. Of course, this is one of the very reasons why any serious student of Scripture should be using multiple translations.

Yet the KJV is the only Bible that has an abundance of 7's in it at a level NOT SEEN in any other version
What does that prove ?
Bother yourself to have a read through to answer that question for yourself

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