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Here lies the heart of the problem, denying Jesus is not only saying that he does not exist, it is refusing submission to him, living as if he does not have authority over our choices. Some people even call Jesus savior, but they do not treat him as Lord, wanting the benefits of grace, without the demands of discipleship. Some people desire forgiveness, without repentance, longing for divine mercy, without giving up on sinful pleasures. This posture is not genuine Christianity, it’s a dangerous counterfeit, that if not fought against, can destroy the church from within, like termites eating away at the structure of a house without anyone noticing, until it collapses. The grace of God is the heart of the gospel, without it, there is no salvation, no hope, no possible relationship between God and sinful humanity.

Ephesians 2:8-9, this truth has freed millions of people, people who lived crushed by the weight of guilt, trying to please God through rituals and human efforts, finally understood that salvation is a gift, it does not need to be earned, because it never could be. But understanding grace correctly, is as important as receiving it, and this is exactly where many stumble, turning grace into a license to sin, completely inverts its purpose. Romans 6:1, the very nature of conversion, makes it impossible to use grace as an excuse to continue in sinning, because when Jesus saves us, something dies inside us. The dominion that sin had over our lives is broken, grace does not mean we become perfect, but it means we are no longer slaves.

Grace is not a divine permission for us to continue living as we did before, it is the power of God that empowers us to live differently. Some people take this glorious message and turn it into something that God never intended, if God is so merciful and always forgives us, why should we strive so hard to avoid sin or if grace covers everything, what is the problem with giving in to our desires. This logic seems to make sense to the carnal mind, but it completely ignores what the Bible teaches about holiness. Sound doctrine will seem too heavy, too demanding, too inconvenient for the lifestyle people want to build and when the truth starts to really bother, the natural movement is to seek a substitute that still seems spiritual, still uses the name of God, still meets on Sundays, but does not touch any part of the heart.

2 Timothy 4:3-4, according to their own desires, it is not the word that is shaping the heart, it is the heart that is selecting which word to hear and this inversion, no matter how subtle it may seem, represents a fundamental rupture with what it means to be a disciple. There is a spirituality that has all the external structures of the Christian faith, but that inside is built on invented narratives, on promises that the text never made, on a God redrawn to fit the plans and expectations of those who worship him. Small concessions, a sermon that could have gone deeper, but stopped at the point where the audience was still comfortable, each adjustment seems reasonable in isolation, these adjustments never stop at one, Acts 20:29-30.

The distortion is always more dangerous than direct denial, because it preserves the language of faith, while emptying its content. A church that talks about Jesus, but has redrawn him in the image of its own desires is much harder to discern. The exchange of truth for fable, when the text says things that cost something to those who hear, silent replacement, where the original gospel is being exchanged piece by piece for a version that maintains the packaging, but has altered the content. Temptation is not sin, but it’s sin’s sedative hallway and hallways were never made for standing still. If you linger in that hallway long enough, your feet will move and when they do, it’s rarely toward holiness.

The end of the world is not the collapse of God’s plan, it is the moment when the rightful King takes his throne. Psalm 2:1, why do the heathen rage and the people imagine a vain thing? David is not confused, he is astonished. Why do the nations rage? Why do peoples conspire? Why does the world resist its creator? David is not describing a single war, he seeing a pattern, a future moment, when the world would move in one direction, together in defiance. This rage is not random, it is coordinated, it is intentional, the nations are not simply angry, they are aligning, a world united not in peace, but in rebellion.

Psalm 2:2-3, the kings of the earth set themselves and the rulers take counsel together against the Lord and against his anointed, saying, let us break their bands asunder and cast away their cords from us. This is not chaos, this is coordination, David does not describe mobs, he describes leadership, kings, rulers, authorities, not fighting one another, not divided by borders, but taking counsel together. The language is deliberate, they meet, they confer, they agree across cultures, across empires, across ideologies, the world’s leadership reaches the same conclusion, we will not be ruled, we will not submit, we will not be restrained. Let us break their bands, they do not say, God does not exist, they say, we will not be governed.

This is not hatred of religion, it is rejection of authority, it is humanity declaring independence from heaven, David is not describing atheism, he describing defiance. A world that knows God exists, but refuses his rule, a world that does not deny heaven, it resists it. The bands and cords they speak of, are not chains of cruelty, they are boundaries, moral limits, Divine order, covenant restraint, the nations say, we will define right and wrong. We will decide truth. We will rule ourselves. The end is not merely moral collapse, it is political rebellion against heaven, the final crisis is not that people forget God, it is that they reject him. The problem is not ignorance, it is resistance. David reveals that the world does not simply drift from God, it organizes against him. Systems form, ideologies align, power consolidates, not to destroy one another, but to remove heaven’s claim, this is the climax of human pride. The same voice that spoke in Eden, you shall be as gods, now speaks through nations, we will rule.

 
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Here lies the heart of the problem, denying Jesus is not only saying that he does not exist, it is refusing submission to him, living as if he does not have authority over our choices. Some people even call Jesus savior, but they do not treat him as Lord, wanting the benefits of grace, without the demands of discipleship. Some people desire forgiveness, without repentance, longing for divine mercy, without giving up on sinful pleasures. This posture is not genuine Christianity, it’s a dangerous counterfeit, that if not fought against, can destroy the church from within, like termites eating away at the structure of a house without anyone noticing, until it collapses. The grace of God is the heart of the gospel, without it, there is no salvation, no hope, no possible relationship between God and sinful humanity.

Ephesians 2:8-9, this truth has freed millions of people, people who lived crushed by the weight of guilt, trying to please God through rituals and human efforts, finally understood that salvation is a gift, it does not need to be earned, because it never could be. But understanding grace correctly, is as important as receiving it, and this is exactly where many stumble, turning grace into a license to sin, completely inverts its purpose. Romans 6:1, the very nature of conversion, makes it impossible to use grace as an excuse to continue in sinning, because when Jesus saves us, something dies inside us. The dominion that sin had over our lives is broken, grace does not mean we become perfect, but it means we are no longer slaves.

Grace is not a divine permission for us to continue living as we did before, it is the power of God that empowers us to live differently. Some people take this glorious message and turn it into something that God never intended, if God is so merciful and always forgives us, why should we strive so hard to avoid sin or if grace covers everything, what is the problem with giving in to our desires. This logic seems to make sense to the carnal mind, but it completely ignores what the Bible teaches about holiness. Sound doctrine will seem too heavy, too demanding, too inconvenient for the lifestyle people want to build and when the truth starts to really bother, the natural movement is to seek a substitute that still seems spiritual, still uses the name of God, still meets on Sundays, but does not touch any part of the heart.

2 Timothy 4:3-4, according to their own desires, it is not the word that is shaping the heart, it is the heart that is selecting which word to hear and this inversion, no matter how subtle it may seem, represents a fundamental rupture with what it means to be a disciple. There is a spirituality that has all the external structures of the Christian faith, but that inside is built on invented narratives, on promises that the text never made, on a God redrawn to fit the plans and expectations of those who worship him. Small concessions, a sermon that could have gone deeper, but stopped at the point where the audience was still comfortable, each adjustment seems reasonable in isolation, these adjustments never stop at one, Acts 20:29-30.

The distortion is always more dangerous than direct denial, because it preserves the language of faith, while emptying its content. A church that talks about Jesus, but has redrawn him in the image of its own desires is much harder to discern. The exchange of truth for fable, when the text says things that cost something to those who hear, silent replacement, where the original gospel is being exchanged piece by piece for a version that maintains the packaging, but has altered the content. Temptation is not sin, but it’s sin’s sedative hallway and hallways were never made for standing still. If you linger in that hallway long enough, your feet will move and when they do, it’s rarely toward holiness.

The end of the world is not the collapse of God’s plan, it is the moment when the rightful King takes his throne. Psalm 2:1, why do the heathen rage and the people imagine a vain thing? David is not confused, he is astonished. Why do the nations rage? Why do peoples conspire? Why does the world resist its creator? David is not describing a single war, he seeing a pattern, a future moment, when the world would move in one direction, together in defiance. This rage is not random, it is coordinated, it is intentional, the nations are not simply angry, they are aligning, a world united not in peace, but in rebellion.

Psalm 2:2-3, the kings of the earth set themselves and the rulers take counsel together against the Lord and against his anointed, saying, let us break their bands asunder and cast away their cords from us. This is not chaos, this is coordination, David does not describe mobs, he describes leadership, kings, rulers, authorities, not fighting one another, not divided by borders, but taking counsel together. The language is deliberate, they meet, they confer, they agree across cultures, across empires, across ideologies, the world’s leadership reaches the same conclusion, we will not be ruled, we will not submit, we will not be restrained. Let us break their bands, they do not say, God does not exist, they say, we will not be governed.

This is not hatred of religion, it is rejection of authority, it is humanity declaring independence from heaven, David is not describing atheism, he describing defiance. A world that knows God exists, but refuses his rule, a world that does not deny heaven, it resists it. The bands and cords they speak of, are not chains of cruelty, they are boundaries, moral limits, Divine order, covenant restraint, the nations say, we will define right and wrong. We will decide truth. We will rule ourselves. The end is not merely moral collapse, it is political rebellion against heaven, the final crisis is not that people forget God, it is that they reject him. The problem is not ignorance, it is resistance. David reveals that the world does not simply drift from God, it organizes against him. Systems form, ideologies align, power consolidates, not to destroy one another, but to remove heaven’s claim, this is the climax of human pride. The same voice that spoke in Eden, you shall be as gods, now speaks through nations, we will rule.

"""Here lies the heart of the problem :-""
Mixing the teachings of the other Apostles with Paul
Only Paul has the authority to teach Salvation to believers today
Acts 9:15, Gal 2:7-9, Rom 11:13, Rom 15:16.
List the verses that teach the OTHER Apostles have the authority to teach Salvation to the audience of Paul
Verses newN verses, not opinions :)
 
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"""Here lies the heart of the problem :-""
Mixing the teachings of the other Apostles with Paul
Only Paul has the authority to teach Salvation to believers today
Acts 9:15, Gal 2:7-9, Rom 11:13, Rom 15:16.
List the verses that teach the OTHER Apostles have the authority to teach Salvation to the audience of Paul
Verses newN verses, not opinions :)
 

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"""Here lies the heart of the problem :-""
Mixing the teachings of the other Apostles with Paul
Only Paul has the authority to teach Salvation to believers today
Acts 9:15, Gal 2:7-9, Rom 11:13, Rom 15:16.
List the verses that teach the OTHER Apostles have the authority to teach Salvation to the audience of Paul
Verses newN verses, not opinions :)
 

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The request was for verses :-
""List the verses that teach the OTHER Apostles have the authority to teach Salvation to the audience of Paul""
Where are the verses ? :Thumbsup:
Ephesians 3:2-13, the word mystery is used three times, the mystery made known by revelation, insight into the mystery, the mystery through the gospel, when we hear the word mystery, we think of something that’s super obscure, incomprehensible and can’t really be understood. The Bible, mystery means something that was not known and now it’s been made known, nobody knew about it at all and now it’s publicly open, out there for everybody to see. Paul’s saying, this ideal that God’s plan, read the Old Testament and we could totally get the ideal that what God is doing, his heart is for all nations, he said to Abraham, I’ll make you a great nation, I’ll bless you and in you all the nations of the earth will be blessed. The ideal that God’s covenant family would come, the circumcision, obeying the Torah, that actually was fulfilled and came to it’s end. Paul’s teaching was a completely radical ideal that ticked a lot of people off and Paul staked everything on this claim, what happened in Jesus was for everybody, it’s for tribes, every language and it’s only faith in Jesus that unites us as a covenant family together.
 

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Ephesians 3:2-13, the word mystery is used three times, the mystery made known by revelation, insight into the mystery, the mystery through the gospel, when we hear the word mystery, we think of something that’s super obscure, incomprehensible and can’t really be understood. The Bible, mystery means something that was not known and now it’s been made known, nobody knew about it at all and now it’s publicly open, out there for everybody to see. Paul’s saying, this ideal that God’s plan, read the Old Testament and we could totally get the ideal that what God is doing, his heart is for all nations, he said to Abraham, I’ll make you a great nation, I’ll bless you and in you all the nations of the earth will be blessed. The ideal that God’s covenant family would come, the circumcision, obeying the Torah, that actually was fulfilled and came to it’s end. Paul’s teaching was a completely radical ideal that ticked a lot of people off and Paul staked everything on this claim, what happened in Jesus was for everybody, it’s for tribes, every language and it’s only faith in Jesus that unites us as a covenant family together.
Eph 3:2-13 the mystery of Paul is not the request.
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Read carefully & understand the question :)
""List the verses that teach the OTHER Apostles have the authority to teach Salvation to the audience of Paul""
 

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Eph 3:2-13 the mystery of Paul is not the request.
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Read carefully & understand the question :)
""List the verses that teach the OTHER Apostles have the authority to teach Salvation to the audience of Paul""
Abraham, what part of Abraham, do you not understand?
 

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Abraham, what part of Abraham, do you not understand?
What part of the request confuses you ?
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""List the verses that teach the OTHER Apostles have the authority to teach Salvation to the audience of Paul""
 

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What part of the request confuses you ?
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""List the verses that teach the OTHER Apostles have the authority to teach Salvation to the audience of Paul""
John 3:16 tells us that the problem of humanity was never ignorance and the solution was never religion, it tells us that love moved first before repentance, before understanding, before worthiness. God did not wait for the world to become lovable, he loved first and gave. John 3:16 carries the heartbeat of the gospel, love that risks rejection in order save.
 

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What part of the request confuses you ?
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""List the verses that teach the OTHER Apostles have the authority to teach Salvation to the audience of Paul""
Atoning sacrifice, this language of sacrifice is really significant. 1 John 1:5-2:2, vandalism, “sin” that we introduce into God’s good world, but what does Jesus do about that? The blood of Jesus purifies us, a metaphor for Jesus’ death, his execution on the cross. Purification is connected with forgiveness, the death of Jesus provides the meaning of forgiveness, that forgiveness purifies us. That death of Jesus by which we’re forgiven is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, two parties at odds with each other, the way that damage or harm is dealt with, so that the two can be made at one. It’s about relational repair and reconciliation.
 

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""List the verses that teach the OTHER Apostles have the authority to teach Salvation to the audience of Paul""
The Bible has a more robust, a really different version of what wisdom is. The Bible talks about knowledge, it talks about understanding, but notice it has different words for that, wisdom and particularly Paul has one Old Testament passage in the back of his head, Exodus 31:1-3. God’s designing his own personal dwelling place in the midst of his people that he’s redeemed, the base vision of wisdom in the Bible, its actually not necessarily your IQ or do you have advanced degrees to be an artisan? No. In this case, God is animating this skill set that this guy has, wisdom is a skill that you cultivate about bringing potential out of something and making something awesome. There’s freedom here, God takes great joy in investing his own personal presence in the lives of people, to inspire them to make something.

Paul turns to the stories about Abraham, how he was justified or declared righteous before God by simply having faith, by trusting in God’s promise, that one day all nations would find God’s blessing through him and his offspring. God’s purpose was always to have one large multi-ethnic family of people who relate to him on the basis of faith, not on the laws of the Torah. But that raises an important question, why did God give the laws of the Torah to Israel then? Paul offers a very brief and dense explanation, he observes that the laws of the Torah were given to Israel at Mount Sinai long after God’s promise to Abraham. God always intended the laws to be a temporary measure, the laws had both a negative and a positive role. Negatively, the laws acted like a magnifying glass on Israel’s sin, they exposed how Israel shared in the sinful human condition, constantly rebelling against God’s law and so, the law which is good, ended up pronouncing Israel guilty and all humanity with them. The laws imprisoned everyone under the power of sin. But the laws also had a positive role, they acted like a strict school teacher, that kept Israel in line until the coming of the promised offspring of Abraham, the Messiah and once the Messiah came, he fulfilled the purpose of the laws on Israel’s behalf.
 

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John 3:16 tells us that the problem of humanity was never ignorance and the solution was never religion, it tells us that love moved first before repentance, before understanding, before worthiness. God did not wait for the world to become lovable, he loved first and gave. John 3:16 carries the heartbeat of the gospel, love that risks rejection in order save.
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What part of the request confuses you ?
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""List the verses that teach the OTHER Apostles have the authority to teach Salvation to the audience of Paul""
Acts 8:9-13, We get a specific episode in Samaria that concerns Simon, Simon the magician. In verse 9, There was a man named Simon who had previously practiced magic in the city and amazed the people of Samaria, saying that he himself was somebody great. They all paid attention to him from the least to the greatest saying, This man is the power of God that is called great. And they paid attention to him because for a long time he had amazed them with his magic. But when they believed Philip as he preached the things concerning the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ. (The name, it’s not just Philip running around saying Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, he’s preaching a person, the name is the person.) And these people were baptized, both men and women. Even Simon himself believed. And after being baptized, he continued with Philip. And seeing signs and great miracles performed, he was amazed.

Acts 8:16-19, For the Holy Spirit had not yet fallen on any of them, and they had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Then Peter and John laid their hands upon these believers, and they received the Holy Spirit. Now when Simon saw that the Spirit was given through the laying on of the apostles hands, he offered them money saying, give me this power, that anyone on whom I lay my hands on may receive the Holy Spirit. It’s kind of a naive request, obviously in verse 20-23 Peter doesn’t like it. Verse 24, Simon says, Pray for me to the Lord that nothing of what you have said may come upon me. Was Simon a believer? The text says he believed, but he asks a naive question, because he wants to be part of this and there’s no indication in the text he wants to sort of go off and be a wizard or something like that.

Now Peter is really hard on Simon, but Peter wasn’t there at the beginning, Philip was. Peter doesn’t know this guy’s history, or of his conversion necessarily, and Peter’s offended, people don’t get the Holy Spirit by paying for it or anything like that. Peter said Simon’s heart’s not right before God, he rebukes him really harshly. But what does Simon say? Enough of you guys, I’m just going to go off and do my wizard act again. No, he says, Pray for me to the Lord that nothing of what you have said may come upon me. He’s sincere, Okay, I did wrong.

But in verse 10, this phrasing of what was said about Simon prior to his conversion. The people all paid attention to him from the least to the greatest saying, This man is the power of God that is called great. That’s significant, because in Samaritan Targums, Targums are just a word for a translation. The Targum of the Old Testament is the Hebrew Old Testament translated into Aramaic. The Targum of the Greek New Testament translated into Aramaic. The Samaritans had Targums and Samaritans have access to a Samaritan text, it’s not going to look like Hebrew, it’s still going to be Semitic, but it’s their own form. In ancient Samaritan Targums, the Hebrew word El, which means God and is often used as a proper name for God, is often represented by “great power” and is often used for “angels.” What’s being said here, this man is the power of God that is called great.

The claim apparently is that some people either we’re not really told if it’s by Simon’s encouragement or if they just drew this conclusion, but some people were associating his magic with God himself and were referring to him as great or the great one. That term in Samaritan Targums is also a divine name for God, God is the great power. When Simon is called great, it sort of moves him into the same category as God in the minds of those referring to him as this is the one who is great and the power among the angels. That links Simon to not only the great power abstractly, but actually the principal angel, the angel of the Lord. The angel of the Lord is Yahweh embodied as a man in the Old Testament, and he’s linked by virtue of what the New Testament does with some of those angel of the Lord passages, he’s linked to Jesus.

This portrayal of Simon, there were people, they weren’t thinking about Jesus when they were calling him the great one, the great power, this was a guy who some people associated with or as the angel of the Lord, that he was that close to God. The people look at the amazing magical stuff Simon does, the angel of the Lord has come to us and the power that he exhibits, they’re associating Simon with the second Yahweh figure of the Old Testament, the angel of the Lord. But who does Simon submit to? Who does Simon look at and essentially turn his back on his old life and believed in? It’s Jesus. It’s a victory of the true second power, the true second Yahweh over one who had been falsely claimed as having that status.
 

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The Bible has a more robust, a really different version of what wisdom is. The Bible talks about knowledge, it talks about understanding, but notice it has different words for that, wisdom and particularly Paul has one Old Testament passage in the back of his head, Exodus 31:1-3. God’s designing his own personal dwelling place in the midst of his people that he’s redeemed, the base vision of wisdom in the Bible, its actually not necessarily your IQ or do you have advanced degrees to be an artisan? No. In this case, God is animating this skill set that this guy has, wisdom is a skill that you cultivate about bringing potential out of something and making something awesome. There’s freedom here, God takes great joy in investing his own personal presence in the lives of people, to inspire them to make something.

Paul turns to the stories about Abraham, how he was justified or declared righteous before God by simply having faith, by trusting in God’s promise, that one day all nations would find God’s blessing through him and his offspring. God’s purpose was always to have one large multi-ethnic family of people who relate to him on the basis of faith, not on the laws of the Torah. But that raises an important question, why did God give the laws of the Torah to Israel then? Paul offers a very brief and dense explanation, he observes that the laws of the Torah were given to Israel at Mount Sinai long after God’s promise to Abraham. God always intended the laws to be a temporary measure, the laws had both a negative and a positive role. Negatively, the laws acted like a magnifying glass on Israel’s sin, they exposed how Israel shared in the sinful human condition, constantly rebelling against God’s law and so, the law which is good, ended up pronouncing Israel guilty and all humanity with them. The laws imprisoned everyone under the power of sin. But the laws also had a positive role, they acted like a strict school teacher, that kept Israel in line until the coming of the promised offspring of Abraham, the Messiah and once the Messiah came, he fulfilled the purpose of the laws on Israel’s behalf.
""List the verses that teach the OTHER Apostles have the authority to teach Salvation to the audience of Paul""
and the verses are ?? :waves:
 

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Atoning sacrifice, this language of sacrifice is really significant. 1 John 1:5-2:2, vandalism, “sin” that we introduce into God’s good world, but what does Jesus do about that? The blood of Jesus purifies us, a metaphor for Jesus’ death, his execution on the cross. Purification is connected with forgiveness, the death of Jesus provides the meaning of forgiveness, that forgiveness purifies us. That death of Jesus by which we’re forgiven is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, two parties at odds with each other, the way that damage or harm is dealt with, so that the two can be made at one. It’s about relational repair and reconciliation.
"List the verses that teach the OTHER Apostles have the authority to teach Salvation to the audience of Paul""
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Me >>""List the verses that teach the OTHER Apostles have the authority to teach Salvation to the audience of Paul""
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Acts chapters 13-14, Paul wrote the Galatians from a place of deep passion and frustration. Christianity began as a Jewish Messianic movement in Jerusalem, but it’s message was for all humanity and it quickly spread beyond Israel. By Paul’s time as a missionary, there were as many non-Jews, as there were Jewish people in the Jesus movement and this sparked a huge debate. (Acts chapter 15) Historically, the covenant people of God were focused in one ethnic group, Israel, and they were set apart by there practices commanded in the Torah, like circumcision of males, eating kosher, observing the Sabbath, and there were many Jewish Christians who believed that for all of these non-Jews to truly become a part of God’s family, they needed to obey the laws of the Torah. So, some of these Jewish Christians ended up coming to the Galatian churches, they were undermining Paul, and demanding circumcision of all these male non-Jewish Christians and so, many of them were. When Paul found out, he was brokenhearted and angry.

For Paul, requiring Torah observance from non-Jewish Christians, it makes no sense, it is acting as if Jesus did not fulfill God’s promise or deal with our sins, it neglects the new freedom gained for us through Jesus and the gift of the Spirit, and it limits God’s promise and blessing to one ethnic family. But Paul’s opponents might argue, the laws of the Torah, they are a proven guide to living according to God’s will, how will non-Jewish Christians learn this? Paul describes how Jesus’ transforming presence through the Spirit is the key, the laws of the Torah are good, they are wise. In fact, they can all be summarized as Jesus did in the command to love your neighbor as yourself, but the laws, good as they are, they did not give Israel the power to obey them.

In contrast, the good news is that Jesus did fulfill the laws on our behalf and now, he lives in us through the Spirit, making his people into new humans who fulfill the law by loving others. Paul goes on to contrast this old and new humanity, the habits of the old humanity are obvious. These are behaviors that dehumanize people, they destroy relationships and whole communities, and while the laws of the Torah prohibited these behaviors, Jesus actually put them to death on the cross. So, when a person trusts in Jesus and lives in dependence on the Spirit, his life becomes theirs and produces what Paul calls “the fruit of the Spirit.” This is Jesus’ way of life that he wants to reproduce in his family, but this fruit is not automatic, it requires cultivation just like real fruit. If we live by the Spirit, we have to keep in step with the Spirit, this requires intentionality, we have to learn how to prune off our old habits and cultivate new ones and as we do so, we find ourselves carried along by the Spirit, as Jesus reshapes our minds and hearts and makes us into people who love God and others and in this way, Jesus’ people fulfill what Paul calls “the Torah of the Messiah.” In the end, Paul concludes, this requirement for Christians to become Torah-observant or circumcised, it is an adventure in missing the point, what really matters is God’s new creation, this new multi-ethnic family of the Messiah, people full of faith in Jesus who are learning to love God and others in the power of the Spirit.