Michael King to be executed in Florida for 2008 abduction, rape, murder of young mother on March 17

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18 years later, very weird.
I didn't know that America still does capital punishment. Wow. How barbaric
 

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18 years later, very weird.
I didn't know that America still does capital punishment. Wow. How barbaric

Capital punishment for individual states is Governed by each states laws.

Abt 27 states have death penalties….which nearly 11 states commute the sentence to life in prison, no parole.

16 states, maintain the death penalty, with 10-20 years, of limited accommodations prison time before execution.

Prison care per prisoner, is a burden on the taxpayers… between…25,000- 175,000 per year, per capital crime offense inmate.

I favor the death penalty, and would favor a swift execution, (rather than the 10-20 year lag)

Barbaric?

You want to pay for a murderers housing, food, medical care, caretakers, for years of his entire existence and burial?
I don’t.

Give them a Meal, Meet with their family, a Preacher and Date for Swift Justice.

(BTW… A person sentenced to Death CAN Request a quick Execution Date…
And in some states, request the manner of Death… Execution, Injection, Firing Squad.)

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18 years later, very weird.
I didn't know that America still does capital punishment. Wow. How barbaric
What he did to her was deserving of death.
God approves in His word of such things, and appoints the government to carry out capital punishments.
Fallen man though always fights against the laws of God, being in opposition to what is good and true and righteous.


Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God.

2 Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will [a]bring judgment on themselves.

3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same.

4 For he is God’s minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil.

5 Therefore you must be subject, not only because of wrath but also for conscience’ sake.
 
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Capital punishment for individual states is Governed by each states laws.

Abt 27 states have death penalties….which nearly 11 states commute the sentence to life in prison, no parole.

16 states, maintain the death penalty, with 10-20 years, of limited accommodations prison time before execution.

Prison care per prisoner, is a burden on the taxpayers… between…25,000- 175,000 per year, per capital crime offense inmate.

I favor the death penalty, and would favor a swift execution, (rather than the 10-20 year lag)

Barbaric?

You want to pay for a murderers housing, food, medical care, caretakers, for years of his entire existence and burial?
I don’t.

Give them a Meal, Meet with their family, a Preacher and Date for Swift Justice.

(BTW… A person sentenced to Death CAN Request a quick Execution Date…
And in some states, request the manner of Death… Execution, Injection, Firing Squad.)

Glory to God,
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Ok but the justice system isn't perfect, it often gets things wrong. And if you can't afford 100k on a defence barrister but your innocent then it's just bad luck for you then. The justice system is corrupt it favours money
 
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Ok but the justice system isn't perfect, it often gets things wrong. And if you can't afford 100k on a defence barrister but your innocent then it's just bad luck for you then
Well, we have the Supreme Judge sitting on the Throne.
This life is temporary, everyone will give an account of himself to God.

2 Corinthians 5:10
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.

For those who do not believe stand condemned already
John 3:18
“He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

11 He who is unjust, let him be unjust still; he who is filthy, let him be filthy still; he who is righteous, let him [a]be righteous still; he who is holy, let him be holy still.”

Jesus Testifies to the Churches​

12 “And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work.

13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the [b]Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.”
 

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Well, we have the Supreme Judge sitting on the Throne.
This life is temporary, everyone will give an account of himself to God.

2 Corinthians 5:10
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.
Gods judgement is righteous and he should be the only judge. The world's judges are prone to error and corruption and therefore cannot be trusted make such a decision.

What about innocent people that are wrongfully convicted or simply can't afford an attorney and are sent to death?
 

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Gods judgement is righteous and he should be the only judge. The world's judges are prone to error and corruption and therefore cannot be trusted make such a decision.

What about innocent people that are wrongfully convicted or simply can't afford an attorney and are sent to death?
Except that without courts of law, people will be unrestrained, and evil will grow much worse.

God is still the judge of the matter, and there is no guarantee in this life of what will happen, but we have a sure and certain promise for the life to come for everyone who believes in the Son, we never die (spiritually), and will inherit the kingdom of God.


Acts 3

17 “Yet now, brethren, I know that you did it in ignorance, as did also your rulers. 18 But those things which God foretold by the mouth of all His prophets, that the Christ would suffer, He has thus fulfilled. 19 Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord, 20 and that He may send [c]Jesus Christ, who was [d]preached to you before, 21 whom heaven must receive until the times of restoration of all things, which God has spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since [e]the world began. 22 For Moses truly said to the fathers, ‘The Lord your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from your brethren. Him you shall hear in all things, whatever He says to you. 23 And it shall be that every soul who will not hear that Prophet shall be utterly destroyed from among the people.’ 24 Yes, and all the prophets, from Samuel and those who follow, as many as have spoken, have also [f]foretold these days. 25 You are sons of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying to Abraham, ‘And in your seed all the families of the earth shall be blessed.’ 26 To you first, God, having raised up His Servant Jesus, sent Him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from your iniquities.”
 
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Except that without courts of law, people will be unrestrained, and evil will grow much worse.

God is still the judge of the matter, and there is no guarantee in this life of what will happen, but we have a sure and certain promise for the life to come for everyone who believes in the Son, we never die (spiritually), they will inherit the kingdom of God.


Acts 3

17 “Yet now, brethren, I know that you did it in ignorance, as did also your rulers. 18 But those things which God foretold by the mouth of all His prophets, that the Christ would suffer, He has thus fulfilled. 19 Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord, 20 and that He may send [c]Jesus Christ, who was [d]preached to you before, 21 whom heaven must receive until the times of restoration of all things, which God has spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since [e]the world began. 22 For Moses truly said to the fathers, ‘The Lord your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from your brethren. Him you shall hear in all things, whatever He says to you. 23 And it shall be that every soul who will not hear that Prophet shall be utterly destroyed from among the people.’ 24 Yes, and all the prophets, from Samuel and those who follow, as many as have spoken, have also [f]foretold these days. 25 You are sons of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying to Abraham, ‘And in your seed all the families of the earth shall be blessed.’ 26 To you first, God, having raised up His Servant Jesus, sent Him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from your iniquities.”
I'm not arguing against courts of law.
Im arguing against the death penalty.
Please answer my question.

What about the innocent people that are wrongfully convicted or simply can't afford an attorney and are sent to death?
 

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It's easy not to care about those innocent people sent to death but if it were yourself or a family member it would be horrifying to say the least.

The justice system isn't perfect and should have no authority to take a humans life. Putting a criminal in jail already protects society from them and that's all that is required
 

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Ok but the justice system isn't perfect, it often gets things wrong. And if you can't afford 100k on a defence barrister but your innocent then it's just bad luck for you then

Bulk of wasteful (IMO) is Not “IF” but The curiosity of “WHY”.

“IF”…of a murder or killing is (to me), what matters.

(IMO)
Murder…should have the same penalty, to the Murderer…cease to continue living.

Some murders, the Victim IS beyond belief tortured… but the murderers are not “sentenced to die in the same manner”.

“swearing by oath TO TELL the “WHOLE” Truth, on its face is a Joke”.

Not much different than “so called news interviews”… pre-planned of WHAT can and can NOT be asked.

Every Guilty Verdict has a process for Appeal.
10, 20 years…to locate new evidence? New Witnesses?

Every human Shall Die, Period.
Every human Has a time-frame to Settle with their Creator and Maker.

Andrea Yates case comes to mind…Planned and Murdered her 5 children. Found guilty. Lives in a private, no bars room, she does not pay for, with books, movie access, food, she neither buys or prepares, clothing she neither buys or washes, medical access, she does not pay for, outside walks, usual making friends with other inmates, Release Option hearings, she rejects…

An adult female Murderer, with The Full Burden of every aspect of her life…Forced on Law abiding Society to take care of her.

Is THAT Gods WAY?
A helping hand…?
or unwanted life long Murderer Burden?
 

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Bulk of wasteful (IMO) is Not “IF” but The curiosity of “WHY”.

“IF”…of a murder or killing is (to me), what matters.

(IMO)
Murder…should have the same penalty, to the Murderer…cease to continue living.

Some murders, the Victim IS beyond belief tortured… but the murderers are not “sentenced to die in the same manner”.

“swearing by oath TO TELL the “WHOLE” Truth, on its face is a Joke”.

Not much different than “so called news interviews”… pre-planned of WHAT can and can NOT be asked.

Every Guilty Verdict has a process for Appeal.
10, 20 years…to locate new evidence? New Witnesses?

Every human Shall Die, Period.
Every human Has a time-frame to Settle with their Creator and Maker.

Andrea Yates case comes to mind…Planned and Murdered her 5 children. Found guilty. Lives in a private, no bars room, she does not pay for, with books, movie access, food, she neither buys or prepares, clothing she neither buys or washes, medical access, she does not pay for, outside walks, usual making friends with other inmates, Release Option hearings, she rejects…

An adult female Murderer, with The Full Burden of every aspect of her life…Forced on Law abiding Society to take care of her.

Is THAT Gods WAY?
A helping hand…?
or unwanted life long Murderer Burden?
The justice system is prone to error and corruption and often get wrong.
So what about the innocent people that get wrongfully sent to death?
 

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18 years later, very weird.
I didn't know that America still does capital punishment. Wow. How barbaric
No, if I may interject on this....in a society that is actually just, this is a government doing its God ordained job as per Romans 13. But we must be clear that this is not the church's job, only governments of this world. But do you know the word of God says we are not to be "over-righteous"? Noticed that and cottoned onto it not long ago. This is why the Lord is righteous to cast wicked and unbelieving souls into the lake of fire in the end. We must not call what is righteous and just, evil. I'm not accusing anyone here, this is not wisdom that I had received until fairly recently and just want to share it.

Ecc 7:16
Do not be overrighteous, neither be overwise— why destroy yourself?

See how the two go hand in hand.....being overwise and overrighteous. That is what "universalists" are doing. Overthinking, overwise and in effect making themselves to be wiser and more righteous than God.
 

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The justice system is prone to error and corruption and often get wrong.
So what about the innocent people that get wrongfully sent to death?

Same as the criminals set free.
Men can and do lie.

Taking an oath to state the Truth…is the individuals burden to carry, the consequence of Truth or Lie.

What about they who confess (not under duress)…and are set free?

The ultimate Justice will come for All, when God Judges.
 

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Same as the criminals set free.
Men can and do lie.

Taking an oath to state the Truth…is the individuals burden to carry, the consequence of Truth or Lie.

What about they who confess (not under duress)…and are set free?

The ultimate Justice will come for All, when God Judges.

So you don't mind if innocent people are killed... WOW. That's heartless

I bet you would change your mind if it was you or a family member who was wrongfully being sent to death
 
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So you don't mind if innocent people are killed... WOW. That's heartless

I never said, I didn’t mind, or care.
So don’t gaslight me!

Life in prison is a huge monetary burden on Lawful society, families of victims, legal system, and the aging prisoners, who decline in health with age related issues requiring more personal care.

I bet you would change your mind if it was you or a family member who was wrongfully being sent to death

I bet very few wants to see their family member in prison, innocent or guilty!

Almost 80% in prison have committed and “been convicted” of prior homicides and felonies….
Bet you would be thrilled to have your family member Murdered by a Released Convict …
Eh?

Not news… If the penalties were stricter…the crimes would be fewer.
It is ridiculous for people to have to put bars and alarms on their homes, carry a weapon to walk / travel about, because at any time they can be assaulted or killed by some gang of punks with a mile long rap sheet or some whacked individual on drugs…

I support the death penalty for murder…and would have zero issue for the death penalty to include … True rape, selling humans,
theft and burglary… and probably some other things as well.
 

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What he did to her was deserving of death.
God approves in His word of such things, and appoints the government to carry out capital punishments.
Fallen man though always fights against the laws of God, being in opposition to what is good and true and righteous.


Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God.

2 Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will [a]bring judgment on themselves.

3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same.

4 For he is God’s minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil.

5 Therefore you must be subject, not only because of wrath but also for conscience’ sake.
What he did to her was and is deserving of death .
Now let he who is without sin pull the very lever that will give him death .
Oh wait , WE cant , for all have sinned .
THE GOVTS will do as the govts will do
but christains are to do what JESUS said to do .
And blending the two has never worked out . not for the good anyway .
 

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So you don't mind if innocent people are killed... WOW. That's heartless

I bet you would change your mind if it was you or a family member who was wrongfully being sent to death
verily verily i do say unto thee .
Make no mistake what he did to her was deserving of death .
NOW let he who is without sin PULL the lever that will give that man the very death he deserves .
OH wait
ALL have sinned . SO while HE DARN sure is worthy of death
Let none who name the name of JESUS put him to death or support his death .
PEOPLE forget real fast .
THAT ALL are worthy of death in the eyes of GOD .
But seeing HE IS LOVE HE DID SEND THE SON
so that all who do BELIEVE BELEIVE BELEIVE IN HIM would not PERISH but have everlasting life .
SO my advice is
WE DO NOT HEED EITHER THE LEFT OR THE RIGHT
That we do not heed or trust IN their media
But that rather we get us a nose full of some bible and actually learn ABOUT JESUS and see
what JESUS or what jesus we been following all along . and beleive me the latter jesus that do contradict
THE JESUS and HIS WORDS , IT AINT SAVING ANYONE .
 
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I never said, I didn’t mind, or care.
So don’t gaslight me!

Life in prison is a huge monetary burden on Lawful society, families of victims, legal system, and the aging prisoners, who decline in health with age related issues requiring more personal care.



I bet very few wants to see their family member in prison, innocent or guilty!

Almost 80% in prison have committed and “been convicted” of prior homicides and felonies….
Bet you would be thrilled to have your family member Murdered by a Released Convict …
Eh?

Not news… If the penalties were stricter…the crimes would be fewer.
It is ridiculous for people to have to put bars and alarms on their homes, carry a weapon to walk / travel about, because at any time they can be assaulted or killed by some gang of punks with a mile long rap sheet or some whacked individual on drugs…

I support the death penalty for murder…and would have zero issue for the death penalty to include … True rape, selling humans,
theft and burglary… and probably some other things as well.

You know the justice system is prone to error and corruption. Yet you don't care to kill innocent people... WoW
i bet you wouldnt feel that way if it was you or your family being wrongfully executed.
But hey, who cares if innocents die. Geez

Jails are there to protect society from criminals. That's sufficient enough. Killing someone for punishment is just barbaric and achieves nothing but to quench your blood lust
 
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People don't seem to care about innocent people getting killed. It's like "ah so what as long as it's not me". It's an appalling and heartless mentality. If you can't afford a lawyer and your innocent then bad luck to you, your getting executed. Geez that's just terrible that people are happy to allow that

Jsils are there to protect society from criminals. That's sufficient enough. Killing someone for murder is just hypocritical, shameful and barbaric to say the least. Its just there to satisfy ones thirst for vengeance, one's evil drive for revenge. And if 1 innocent gets killed out of 100 criminals then justice has failed. It probably more like 1 in 10 considering how expensive lawyers are
 
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