Who is Israel?

[Spiritual Israelite]

Si said >> "tribulation saints"
In a future period/age, can a believer lose their salvation, eg mark of the beast ?
Currently, "body of Christ" Gal 3:28, 1 Cor 12:13, Col 3:11, Gal 6:15, can a believer lose their salvation ?
If so please list where Paul (Romans to Philemon) teaches that.

There is no future period/age where things will be different than they are now in relation to salvation. It is by God's grace through faith and not by works. Always has been and always will be.

 

[PinSeeker]

Right, though it be without our heads possibly in most cases.

Oh my goodness...

(I would point out that the 'we' here will be believers alive on earth in that period)

Right, there will be believers alive here on earth during the final conflict, which may be very close, even by our standards.

Right, for believers, He is coming to take us up in the air. Thankfully we are not appointed to wrath.

Agree, but they will not be "removed" for any period of time. God never promises to remove us from trouble, or trial, or tribulation, but to walk with us through it... as in Psalm 23 (which I'm sure you know): "Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for you are with me... You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies... Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life..." and in what Jesus Himself says in Matthew 28:20: "behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age."

But even the believers that come to be in that Great Tribulation time will come out of it one way or the other.

Well, the one way... they will be with us on Jesus's right (Matthew 25) in the final Judgment.

Grace and peace to you.

 

[PinSeeker]

Firstly, why would we care? Is there a verse that uses that term relating to the remnant getting saved in the end or..?

Right, so the remnant that get saved and restored in the end can be called children of Abraham.

Right, the Jews who get killed rather than saved in the end die as unbelievers. Like Revelation says, some say they are Jews but are not really.

I don't see that it matters for the topic? The only part of Israel that gets restored and saved in the end are the only Israel that will exist. All will be believers. This is why that when some people say He already restored Israel, it is wrong.

Right, and that saved remnant that finally believe will be in Christ.

Bingo. He restores believers (the remnant) in the end. In Christ. By Christ. And all His promises of heaven and our New Jerusalem are also true.

Ugh. <smile> The children of Abraham are all believers, all children of the promise. And true Jews, as Paul says in Romans 2:28-29. We are all born again of the Spirit and are thus. The New Jerusalem is not a literal city, but a symbol of God’s people living with Him in a restored paradise where they will no longer suffer from the effects of sin. We are the City of God. Yes, of course... all His promises are true.

Grace and peace to you.

 

[dad]

Oh my goodness...


Right, there will be believers alive here on earth during the final conflict, which may be very close, even by our standards.

The point being we are gone then, and new believers come to faith in the last years.

Agree, but they will not be "removed" for any period of time. God never promises to remove us from trouble, or trial, or tribulation, but to walk with us through it... as in Psalm 23 (which I'm sure you know): "Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for you are with me... You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies... Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life..." and in what Jesus Himself says in Matthew 28:20: "behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age."

The end of the age for believers will be when Jesus takes up up into the air. The end of the age for new believers after that will be when He returns to earth.

Well, the one way... they will be with us on Jesus's right (Matthew 25) in the final Judgment.

Grace and peace to you.

Ok. Sad. That reminds me, I was reading a testimony from (supposedly) Clint Eastwood. It talked about how he gave his life to Jesus, and had a good gospel message in it. Then I found out (I think) that it was an ai fake. They used his voice etc. I find is sad that people don't get saved, even at an age where they will die soon.

 

[dad]

Ugh. <smile> The children of Abraham are all believers, all children of the promise.

OK, in the true sense, yes, of course. Yet many claim to be. Jesus spoke to some of them whose claim was that they were.

And true Jews, as Paul says in Romans 2:28-29. We are all born again of the Spirit and are thus. The New Jerusalem is not a literal city, but a symbol of God’s people living with Him in a restored paradise where they will no longer suffer from the effects of sin. We are the City of God.

So when we desire a better country, we desire ourselves?
Hebrews 11:16
But as it is, they desire a better country, that is, a heavenly one
Hebrews 13:14
For here we do not have a lasting city, but we are seeking the city which is to come

Yes, of course... all His promises are true.

Grace and peace to you.

So His promise to restore the remnant of saved Jews in the end is true?