Trump and Politics

[Wrangler]

All the Trump haters who also hold contempt for America sound the same. Have you noticed that?

They ignore reality and facts. They don't think. They parrot.

Yes, NPC waiting for input command of talking points.

 

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Political Trolls. Some can also be Bots. Which may explain their sounding alike.

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"Political trolls are individuals or organized groups who use social media to spread misinformation, provoke outrage, and intensify political polarization. Often operating as part of state-sponsored "troll farms" or, they target divisive issues, manipulate public opinion, and harass opponents to influence elections and advance specific ideologies.
ACL Anthology +4

Key Aspects of Political Trolls:

• Methods: They utilize bots, fake accounts, memes, and coordinated inauthentic behavior on platforms like Twitter and Facebook to spread propaganda and distort public discourse.
• Goals: Beyond mere annoyance, their primary aim is to foster social conflict, increase polarization within democracies, and make opponents seem like enemies.
• State-Sponsored Activity: Many trolls are part of organized campaigns, such as the Russian Internet Research Agency (IRA), which aimed to influence U.S. elections, or state-sponsored "cybertroopers" used by various governments to attack critics.
• Behavioral Traits: Political trolling often involves antisocial behaviors, low agreeableness, and sometimes a desire for chaos.
• Impact: Trolling is highly effective because it is more engaging (and thus favored by algorithms) than positive content, making toxic political discussions feel inevitable.
  
  
  ScienceDirect.com +10

Trolls often target hot-button issues like immigration, vaccination, and racial justice to sow division. They have also been linked to far-right, nationalist, or specifically targeted political ideologies, sometimes using humor and irony to mask their agenda.

PubMed Central (PMC) (.gov) +4"

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Right. When the Left has no argument, they resort to name calling - racist, sexist, homophobe, Islamophobe, etc.

I have a front door and I closes it and lock it to at times ? what phobia is that called !
Why don't I just take the door off !

Am I homophobic ? I have a Gay mate and get on well with many such over the years, some are fine but some such people are clearly creepy and filth mongers.
Oh I have an opinion ! on the Topic ! I must be what they claim is homophobic.

Sexist ? I do not mind looking at women, For I am a red blooded man, but that does not mean that I am on the loose ?

I am a Racist ! and proud of it in fact ! but not racial prejudice ! Just because I know what race one and their common traits could be is, does such make me guilty of a crime ! I had to work in peoples own homes for weeks and as the boss I was best to understand the traits of people, so as to get on and have a better understanding of what they were truly on about for their needs ! so everything goes like clock work and everyone is happy ! If I had no understanding of such oh boy ! that would be asking for trouble and cost me money and reputation.
So I do know what I am on about because I mastered such.

Islamophobe ? Haha Total faith in such people for sure, I worked with such people and I can say many were better people, who I could trust more than some Aussies in fact ! but they can have issues that I do not agree with them on, period ! but that never got in the way of respect going both ways.

So who is it that makes demands on me and my fellow Australians ? The Socialist do !

I know Arabs who have tryed to educate the Australian People on the subject of Islamic issues and they said to me and all who would listen that the Australian Government and Media have no true regards for them to have the right to speek openly on TV etc etc. Because such gov and MSM only want to paint the picture that they themselves only want to peddle !
The have said to me that they came on a plane here with others who were clearly killing them back home, They pointed such out as such but the government payed no mind to such at all ! why well because the Government can not Discriminate !

So ok lets say a Jew who was locked up by the Nazis in WW2 and if on the same trip to safety if their was the Nazis in transit with them all, such a one could easy get aways with such scot free ! You would think that their would be no way one could get away with such. but hey when a Government idolised Idols like a discrimination god ! Their it is ! Stupid is, as stupid does !

But do not inform anyone of such ! especialy any Socialist because they are total jerks !

 

[The Barbarian]

Inclusive or Patriotic? Trump seems bewildered that even though his economy is doing well the numbers still indicate people don't like him.

Major news analysis notes that public perception has turned against Trump on the economy; his net economic approval has fallen to levels comparable to or worse than Biden’s lows, and consumer sentiment and independent polls show rising pessimism about affordability [3] [8] [6]. CNN’s assessment argues the economy “isn’t necessarily worse under Trump than it was under Biden,” but that Trump has made it more of a political liability [4].

Pro-Trump accounts point to stock‑market records, robust GDP forecasts for certain quarters, and reduced measured inflation as proof of improvement [2] [1]. Critics counter that many prices remain elevated relative to Biden’s inauguration—goods were reported as 21% higher when Trump took office in 2025—and that policy moves (like tariffs) risk raising consumer prices and slowing growth [2] [5]. FactCheck’s review of Biden’s term notes strong post‑pandemic GDP gains under Biden (6.2% peak in 2021) and continued corporate profit growth—context that complicates simple “better/worse” comparisons [9].

Is the economy better now with Trump than it was under...

Executive summary Economic measures give a mixed verdict: some headline indicators under Trump’s 2025 presidency — stock highs, continued low-ish unemplo...

factually.co

 

[Randy Kluth]

Major news analysis notes that public perception has turned against Trump on the economy; his net economic approval has fallen to levels comparable to or worse than Biden’s lows, and consumer sentiment and independent polls show rising pessimism about affordability [3] [8] [6]. CNN’s assessment argues the economy “isn’t necessarily worse under Trump than it was under Biden,” but that Trump has made it more of a political liability [4].

Pro-Trump accounts point to stock‑market records, robust GDP forecasts for certain quarters, and reduced measured inflation as proof of improvement [2] [1]. Critics counter that many prices remain elevated relative to Biden’s inauguration—goods were reported as 21% higher when Trump took office in 2025—and that policy moves (like tariffs) risk raising consumer prices and slowing growth [2] [5]. FactCheck’s review of Biden’s term notes strong post‑pandemic GDP gains under Biden (6.2% peak in 2021) and continued corporate profit growth—context that complicates simple “better/worse” comparisons [9].

Is the economy better now with Trump than it was under...

Executive summary Economic measures give a mixed verdict: some headline indicators under Trump’s 2025 presidency — stock highs, continued low-ish unemplo...

factually.co

I think it helps to show the importance of Trump's correctives to situations created in the economy before he took office. Just looking at what has happened in the economy since he took office ignores what had been going on to create the need for corrective action.

The tariffs, it can be argued, needed to correct the trade imbalance. The attempt to achieve the SAVE act, and mobilize ICE in Democratic metropolitan areas, it can be argued, needs to correct the dangers of criminal elements that invaded our population centers after Biden's unrestrained allowance of illegal immigration.

Biden's rampant spending during COVID, it can be argued, begged for Trump to take corrective action to enact legislation that prioritized things like the Military over Welfare funding programs that robbed tax money from those who worked to supply votes for Democrats from disaffected or irresponsible minority groups.

All of this adds up to material CNN and the like can use as propaganda to make Trump look "inhuman" and unconscious of human need. Unfortunately, the majority of people don't know the difference between propaganda and a fence post.

 

[The Barbarian]

The tariffs, it can be argued, needed to correct the trade imbalance. The attempt to achieve the SAVE act, and mobilize ICE in Democratic metropolitan areas, it can be argued, needs to correct the dangers of criminal elements that invaded our population centers after Biden's unrestrained allowance of illegal immigration.

That's a testable idea...
The evidence is overwhelming that immigrants in the United States have had a lower crime rate than native-born Americans since at least the 19th century. When people learn that fact, they aren’t surprised that legal immigrants have a lower crime rate than native-born Americans, but they are surprised that it’s also true for illegal immigrants. The follow-up question people ask is, “Why do illegal immigrants have low crime rates?”

https://www.cato.org/blog/why-do-illegal-immigrants-have-low-crime-rate-twelve-possible-explanations

https://www.cato.org/commentary/rights-bogus-claims-about-noncitizen-voting-fraud#

Biden's rampant spending during COVID, it can be argued, begged for Trump to take corrective action

Well, that's another issue, isn't it?...

The Republicans taking credit for federal funding they voted against​

But almost three years later, the slow-moving machinery of the federal purse is kicking into gear. Highway projects in Iowa have already opened, more than a billion dollars have been pledged for a power plant upgrade in California and millions have been slated for a public transit project in South Carolina. There’s still a ways to go on most projects, but announcements and preparations have started across the country.

Those battleground Republicans who opposed the law are careful not to tout their personal involvement in it on Capitol Hill — instead, they’re showing up at opening ceremonies and praising the actions of local leaders.
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/06/10/house-republicans-infrastructure-funding-vote-no-00162361

Unfortunately, the majority of people don't know the difference between propaganda and a fence post.

Well, here's a start for anyone who needs it.

 

[Randy Kluth]

That's a testable idea...
The evidence is overwhelming that immigrants in the United States have had a lower crime rate than native-born Americans since at least the 19th century. When people learn that fact, they aren’t surprised that legal immigrants have a lower crime rate than native-born Americans, but they are surprised that it’s also true for illegal immigrants. The follow-up question people ask is, “Why do illegal immigrants have low crime rates?”

https://www.cato.org/blog/why-do-illegal-immigrants-have-low-crime-rate-twelve-possible-explanations

What are you--a propaganda arm of the Democratic Pary? Stats you've provided don't prove much, though I like stats to some degree. Legal Immigrants are not the issue, though most of us are all products of immigrants in fairly recent times. They tend to be working too hard to adapt and learn the language as opposed to forming gangs and take money to participate in protest groups.

To say illegal immigrants aren't committing crimes is self-contradictory, which shows the lack of integrity involved in such an analysis. I don't at all think that illegal immigrants have low crime rates. For one thing, who even knows where they are and what they're doing? What if they're not getting caught? It's a false and misleading statistic.

Those who claim there is little evdidence of Voter Fraud completely ignore the illegal aid given by so-called public news broadcasts who are completely providing the Democrats with free untaxed publicity. Who knows how much censorship of social media presentations impacted votes? Since this has already been admitted to, I can safely say that the elections were flawed.

The fact Democrats resist the SAVE acts tells it all to me--they want to continue the fraudulent elections, which clearly favor the Democrats.

 

[The Barbarian]

What are you--a propaganda arm of the Democratic Pary?

The Heritage foundation is a very conservative group. You have it backwards.

Stats you've provided don't prove much

They show that illegal immigrants are more law-abiding than native-born Americans. This is why El Paso, TX, with the highest level of illegal immigrants has one of the lowest crime rates for metropolitan areas in the United States.

To say illegal immigrants aren't committing crimes is self-contradictory

The point is, they are committing crimes at much lower rates than native-born Americans. The lack of integrity you've mentioned is on the part of those falsely claiming that illegal alliens tend to be dangerous criminals. The opposite is true, as even the very right-wing Heritage Foundation admits.

I don't at all think that illegal immigrants have low crime rates.

That's the funny thing about reality; it doesn't care what we think.

What if they're not getting caught?

I'd be open to your evidence that illegal aliens are much smarter than native-born Americans.

Those who claim there is little evdidence of Voter Fraud completely ignore the illegal aid given by so-called public news broadcasts who are completely providing the Democrats with free untaxed publicity.

It's not illegal for Fox News to give republicans campaign assistance. It's actually not illegal for any news outlet. There are just more that favor republicans.

Who knows how much censorship of social media presentations impacted votes?

Fox News paid a huge settlement for falsely accusing people of cheating on votes. But it was a civil case. Except where damage can be proven, it's not illegal for them to lie to help republicans.

I can safely say that the elections were flawed.

The only actual voting fraud involves some one casting a ballot illegally, or in someone illegally preventing a legal voter from voting. Fox News lying about elections is not considered voting fraud.

The fact Democrats resist the SAVE acts tells it all to me

The fact that almost all married women would be disenfranchised (since their required birth certificates would not have their legal names) and since it costs money to obtain passports and birth certificates, the act as written would fraudulently prevent many people from voting. That's the whole point of the bill.

 

[Behold]

They show that illegal immigrants are more law-abiding than native-born Americans.

If the Illegals were truly "law abiding" then they would not be in the USA Illegally.
So, take these "law abiding" ILLEGALS, and give them a free ride back to their own country, and let them come the USA = LEGALLY.

Stop using the "asylum" option as a way AROUND THE LAW, as a way to break the law.

 

[SavedInHim]

Entering the US illegally isn't a serious infraction, it's a civil offense. Then if you work hard, pay taxes and stay out of trouble you actually contribute the welfare and common good of the country. That's the situation of many undocumented immigrants. However, maga has blown the situation way out of proportion; they've lumped all illegal immigrants together and created a boogie man where none exists. It's a lie, but it's very effective politically if you can convince enough people it's true. Undocumented immigrants are hated far above and beyond what most of them deserve; it's irrational.

 

[The Barbarian]

If the Illegals were truly "law abiding" then they would not be in the USA Illegally.

I see that someone has already explained to you that being in the US illegally is a civil issue, not a crime. The point is, illegal aliens are much less likely to commit crimes than are native-born Americans. Crime just isn't an issue here.

The ugly truth no one wants to admit about the issue is, the United States, particularly businesses and our Social Security funding, get a huge economic boost from the labor of illegal immigrants. If that wasn't the case, we'd have it fixed very quickly. Too many Americans benefit from illegal immigration.

Which is no reason not to enforce the law. The proper thing to do is change laws that harm America, not ignore them. Fact is, the demographic disaster now happening to Russia, Japan, and China is not happening in the United States, because of immigration. For the foreseeable future, we'll depend on immigration to keep our economy strong.

Russia’s Current Demographic Crisis Is Its Most Dangerous Yet

The key difference between the current demographic crisis and the previous one is that the latter was significantly mitigated by an element that is now absent: immigration.

carnegieendowment.org

China’s Demographic Crisis: A Challenge for the Future | Atlas Institute for International Affairs

Until recently, immigration protected us from such a looming disaster. But now...

American Decline: Depopulation Is Possible — and Could Cause a Crisis​

Until very recently, postwar American opinion has been generally pro-immigration.

But Joe Biden’s feckless, reckless southern-border policy poisoned popular support for immigration. So now we have the Trump crackdown, and net immigration to America is plummeting.

Immigration numbers are the least accurate of our vital statistics, typically only tallied as a rear-view-mirror residual, after we get our figures for births, deaths and total population change.

But there’s no doubt 2025 is going to see very little net migration — if any.

In fact, a widely quoted new study from the American Enterprise Institute (where I work) suggests 2025 could be a year of net emigration from America, with half a million more foreigners leaving than arriving.

That is the study’s “outer boundary” low-side estimate — but if it comes to pass, as some observers have already noted, America’s population could actually decline very slightly this year.

This would be a first in US history.

American Decline: Depopulation Is Possible — and Could Cause a Crisis

Once upon a time, depopulation would have been unthinkable for the United States. No longer. And it could happen much faster than almost anyone realizes. America may actually be less prepared for depopulation today than it was a generation ago, given the array of bad national habits we have...

www.aei.org

 

[Behold]

Entering the US illegally isn't a serious infraction, it's a civil offense.

Stop being dishonest.... @SavedInHim

Here is the reality.

"entering the USA Illegally (without authorization) is a violation of FEDERAL LAW and is considered a CRIME"

So, the USA has about 30 Million "illegals" in it, currrently.... who have committed a : ""FEDERAL CRIME.""

A.) Getting them out, is LEGAL, because they are FELONS, criminals.

 

[Triumph1300]

Photo: The man messing up the world's economy with his buddy Epstein, this is the "leader" supported by evangelical "Christians":

 

[Behold]

Photo: The man messing up the world's economy with his buddy Epstein, this is the "leader" supported by evangelical "Christians":

CNN brainwashing techniques have arrived to the Forum, again.

See you there again next time @Triumph1300 .

 

[Triumph1300]

 

[The Barbarian]

Undocumented immigrants are hated far above and beyond what most of them deserve; it's irrational.

It's not a new phenomenon:

From the 1850s, foolish people then were smearing Irish and German immigrants as drunks and criminals: Notice the depiction of the stolen ballot box. The bigots haven't changed their playbook at all.



Later it was Italians and Jews.



It's based on an irrational fear of our society being overturned. It's a foolish idea. They aren't coming to overturn us; they want to join us. They've bought into the American Dream and want to be part of it.

"I've spoken of the shining city all my political life, but I don't know if I ever quite communicated what I saw when I said it. But in my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, wind-swept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still."
Ronald Reagan, Farewell Address to the Nation

We have a choice between Reagan's America or Trump's America. I pray we choose wisely.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

We have a choice between Reagan's America or Trump's America. I pray we choose wisely.

You forgot to mention during debates related to the SAVE America act before Congress democrats have in fact admitted illegal aliens have been voting in our elections which is illegal.

Biden let in extreme numbers of illegal aliens getting many on government assistance so they will vote for democrats so this is an intentional tactic by democrats to sway elections in their favor

Extreme action is needed now to bring balance back to our nation so Trump is justified in rounding up these people and kicking them out. The democrats object to having to show ID to vote because it makes it hard for them to have illegal aliens vote for them in elections

 

[The Barbarian]

"entering the USA Illegally (without authorization) is a violation of FEDERAL LAW and is considered a CRIME"

Entering illegally is a crime. Merely being here illegally is not a crime. That's s civil offense. So, if one arrives by bus or airliner, and just fails to leave, that's no crime.

A.) Getting them out, is LEGAL, because they are FELONS, criminals.

No. Most merely come in and overstay their visas. A felony would be something like sexual assault or fraud. Ironically, the vast majority of illegal aliens are not the sort of criminal we have as president.

Photo: The man messing up the world's economy with his buddy Epstein, this is the "leader" supported by evangelical "Christians":

Not all evangelicals support what Trump and Epstein were doing. Many of them are appalled to learn what was going on.

 

[The Barbarian]

You forgot to mention during debates related to the SAVE America act before Congress democrats have in fact admitted illegal aliens have been voting in our elections which is illegal.

Show us that. Truth is, illegal voting of any kind is a tiny percentage of total votes, and illegal alien voting is even less thant that. But I'm sure we'd like to see your checkable numbers. Show us what you have.

Biden let in extreme numbers of illegal aliens getting many on government assistance

Show us that. Checkable sources. Don't be so gullible. This is what happens when one starts believing one's own press releases:

Mike Johnson’s false claim about noncitizens registering to vote at DMV, ‘welfare’ offices​

Fact-checking Mike Johnson’s claim about noncitizen voting

U.S. House Speaker Mike Johnson is promoting a bill that he says will ensure only U.S. citizens can vote. He says that a

www.politifact.com

The democrats object to having to show ID to vote because it makes it hard for them to have illegal aliens vote for them in elections

They object to disenfranchising married women whose birth certificates have their maiden names. They object to forcing people to pay for obtaining passports and other documents as a requirement for voting. They've repeatedly agreed to voter ID that is free and readily available to all eligible voters.

But as Trump admitted, that would defeat his whole purpose in having the law.

 

[Wrangler]

It's based on an irrational fear of our society being overturned.

Nope. The fear is very rational.