Father, Son and Holy Spirit

[Raccoon1010]

I recently re-learned the beings of God.

The father is called God the Father.

The holy spirit is called heavenly father, male. There is heavenly mother, also heavenly holy spirit. She was and is honored in heaven and honored by us saints, we do not dishonor her or her Christian daughters. She cares about all the spirit children and how they are treated here on earth. Heavenly father is God in his kingdom, he defends us. We are sealed in promise in heavenly places. We serve God and gather in witness and testimants, testimonies before us and others. We help gather the spiritual and physical, and tend to our lord's people.

The son is called Jesus the Christ, God's beloved son.

We are from holy spirit areas of heavenly father. We hope to be saved by grace thru faith in Christ our lord.

Thank You.

Someday you might learn of more heavenly places, people and wonders. I hope to as well.

-Devin

 

[Papa Smurf]

I recently re-learned the beings of God.

The father is called God the Father.

The holy spirit is called heavenly father, male. There is heavenly mother, also heavenly holy spirit. She was and is honored in heaven and honored by us saints, we do not dishonor her or her Christian daughters.

Hello Devin, while I often refer to the 1st Person of the Trinitarian Godhead as "God the Father", I don't believe that you'll find that particular title for Him in the Bible (just FYI).

As far as God the Holy Spirit (the 3rd Person of the Trinity) goes, are you saying that "He" is our "heavenly mother" If so, please tell us why you've come to that conclusion (Chapters/Verses from the Bible telling us that this is so would be helpful), and if not, please tell us what you actually meant instead.

Lastly, who are the "Christian daughters" of whom you speak

Thanks

God bless you!!

--Papa Smurf
p.s. - the Holy Spirit identifies/is identified as male throughout the Bible (even though He actually has no gender). Here are a few examples of this.

John 14​

16 I [Jesus] will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever; ​

17 that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you. ​

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26 The Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you. ​

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Romans 8​

26 In the same way the Spirit also helps our weakness; for we do not know how to pray as we should, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words.​

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[rockytopva]

If E = mc2 then we can divide and conclude that...

Mass (m) = Plasma (E/c2) --- Making this eternal stuff along with an eternal God

Mass can dissociate into plasma... Plasma can reassociate into mass... In dealing with eternity there could have been trillions of big bangs before what is called the big bang for all we know. There could have been so many big bangs that they were impossible to count. We are also products of the E/c2

Atoms - Encapsulated forms of energy and light - C2 in the denominator makes for the potential of a lot of energy!
Cells - Trillions of atoms within a single cell
Body - Trillions of cells in a human body

This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. - 1 John 1:5

God the Father is the light and energy behind the entire universe. Out of that plasma energy came the Son Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. God has things fixed where no man can come to him save through the name of Jesus and the leading of the Holy Spirit.

 

[Grailhunter]

Hello Devin, while I often refer to the 1st Person of the Trinitarian Godhead as "God the Father", I don't believe that you'll find that particular title for Him in the Bible (just FYI).

As far as God the Holy Spirit (the 3rd Person of the Trinity) goes, are you saying that "He" is our "heavenly mother" If so, please tell us why you've come to that conclusion (Chapters/Verses from the Bible telling us that this is so would be helpful), and if not, please tell us what you actually meant instead.

Lastly, who are the "Christian daughters" of whom you speak

Thanks

God bless you!!

--Papa Smurf
p.s. - the Holy Spirit identifies/is identified as male throughout the Bible (even though He actually has no gender). Here are a few examples of this.

John 14​

16 I [Jesus] will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever; ​

17 that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you. ​

​

26 The Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you. ​

​

Romans 8​

26 In the same way the Spirit also helps our weakness; for we do not know how to pray as we should, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words.​

.

The Holy Spirit being female and Mother….this is how they conclude this…

In early Christian writings, the Holy Spirit is referred to using the Greek aspect of feminine language, reflecting the grammatical gender of the Hebrew word for spirit (רוּחַ, rūaḥ), which is feminine. This linguistic choice has led to discussions about the Holy Spirit's gender, with some theologians suggesting that the Holy Spirit embodies feminine qualities and roles in Scripture. The use of masculine pronouns in biblical texts does not imply a physical gender but rather emphasizes the Spirit's personhood and divine nature. And the scriptures say that Yeshua was conceived by the Holy Spirit. Matthew 1:18 and 20 Males sire and females conceive.

Thus Father, Mother, and Son.

Still not conclusive.

 

[Raccoon1010]

Hello Devin, while I often refer to the 1st Person of the Trinitarian Godhead as "God the Father", I don't believe that you'll find that particular title for Him in the Bible (just FYI).

As far as God the Holy Spirit (the 3rd Person of the Trinity) goes, are you saying that "He" is our "heavenly mother" If so, please tell us why you've come to that conclusion (Chapters/Verses from the Bible telling us that this is so would be helpful), and if not, please tell us what you actually meant instead.

Lastly, who are the "Christian daughters" of whom you speak

Thanks

God bless you!!

--Papa Smurf
p.s. - the Holy Spirit identifies/is identified as male throughout the Bible (even though He actually has no gender). Here are a few examples of this.

John 14​

16 I [Jesus] will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever; ​

17 that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you. ​

​

26 The Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you. ​

​

Romans 8​

26 In the same way the Spirit also helps our weakness; for we do not know how to pray as we should, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words.​

.

I don't really understand why you are bringing heavenly mother, the holy and honored woman spirit of heaven into the discussion of the trinity of Father, Son and Holy Ghost. The priest of the most high God is his son Jesus.

If you would like to learn about God, he may invite and welcome you when he sees it as good. That will come as you serve. Remember what Jesus hath said already:

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Matthew 13

16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.

17 For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.

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Parables are for those that may later be ready for plain language and teachings from Christ Jesus. Seek truth and be ready to accept it.

God does speak thru his holy spirit. I don't know people will believe if not witnessed thru the Spirit from God.

And that means going to church, obeying the commandments to the best of our ability, and serving God. Witnessing of our lord Jesus and his mission of salvation. Helping others in charity and the pursuit of God's kingdom on earth.

Cheers!

 

[Pathfinder789]

Wikipedia has an informative/interesting article on..
- 'Trinity'

 

[Papa Smurf]

I don't really understand why you are bringing heavenly mother, the holy and honored woman spirit of heaven into the discussion of the trinity of Father, Son and Holy Ghost.

Hello again Devin, the only reason that I brought up the idea of a "heavenly mother" is because you did (twice now in this thread).

I recently re-learned the beings of God. The father is called God the Father. The holy spirit is called heavenly father, male. There is heavenly mother, also heavenly holy spirit. She was and is honored in heaven and honored by us saints, we do not dishonor her or her Christian daughters. She cares about all the spirit children and how they are treated here on earth.

Also, since neither the Bible, nor the entirety of historic Christianity (Orthodox, Catholic and/or Protestant), nor Judaism teaches us that there is such a thing as a "heavenly mother", I decided to ask you what you are talking about

You didn't answer the questions that I asked you in my first post, but perhaps you'll answer this one for me/us now, why do you believe (and perhaps also, who taught you to believe) that there is a being known as the "heavenly mother"

Thanks!

--Papa Smurf

 

[Papa Smurf]

The Holy Spirit being female and Mother….this is how they conclude this…

In early Christian writings, the Holy Spirit is referred to using the Greek aspect of feminine language, reflecting the grammatical gender of the Hebrew word for spirit (רוּחַ, rūaḥ), which is feminine.

Hello Grailhunter, you are correct, the grammatical gender of rūaḥ in the OT is mostly, but not always, feminine. However, as you also mentioned above, grammatical gender (especially in Hebrew) does not imply physical gender.

This linguistic choice has led to discussions about the Holy Spirit's gender, with some theologians suggesting that the Holy Spirit embodies feminine qualities and roles in Scripture.

This was hardly a church-wide discussion, nor was it a commonly-held idea/belief in the writings of the Early Church Fathers. In fact, I believe that any thought of the Holy Spirit being "female" was over by the 3rd Century (within the pale of Christian orthodoxy, at least).

The scriptures say that Yeshua was conceived by the Holy Spirit. Matthew 1:18 and 20 Males sire and females conceive. Thus Father, Mother, and Son.

Hmm, I don't remember that being true, so let's take a look

Matthew 1 (NASB) 18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: when His mother Mary had been betrothed to Joseph, before they came together she was found to be with child by the Holy Spirit. 20 But when he had considered this, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary as your wife; for the Child who has been conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit.

Matthew 1 (KJV) 18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost. 20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding what is actually being said somehow, but doesn't the Text tell us that the Lord Jesus was conceived in Mary (in v20)?

As for v18, while it certainly helps to make it clear for us who the Lord Jesus' parents are (that Joseph was not His biological father, and that Mary was a virgin at her firstborn Son's conception and birth), that's all the Bible is clear about (how God the Holy Spirit actually caused her to became pregnant is not spelled out clearly for us, nothing beyond this anyway .. Luke 1:35).

God bless you!!

--Papa Smurf

 

[Grailhunter]

Hello Grailhunter, you are correct, the grammatical gender of rūaḥ in the OT is mostly, but not always, feminine. However, as you also mentioned above, grammatical gender (especially in Hebrew) does not imply physical gender.


This was hardly a church-wide discussion, nor was it a commonly-held idea/belief in the writings of the Early Church Fathers. In fact, I believe that any thought of the Holy Spirit being "female" was over by the 3rd Century (within the pale of Christianity orthodoxy, at least).


Hmm, I don't remember that being true, so let's take a look

Matthew 1 (NASB) 18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: when His mother Mary had been betrothed to Joseph, before they came together she was found to be with child by the Holy Spirit. 20 But when he had considered this, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary as your wife; for the Child who has been conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit.

Matthew 1 (KJV) 18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost. 20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding what is actually being said somehow, but doesn't the Text tell us that the Lord Jesus was conceived in Mary (in v20)?

As for v18, while it certainly helps to make it clear for us who the Lord Jesus' parents are (and that Joseph was not His biological father, and that Mary was a virgin at her firstborn Son's conception and birth), that's all the Bible is clear about (how God the Holy Spirit actually caused her to became pregnant is not spelled out clearly for us, nothing beyond this anyway .. Luke 1:35).

God bless you!!

--Papa Smurf

Hey there Papa Smurf,
Like I said----It is not conclusive. I did not say it was a popular or common belief. For one thing Christianity is a male dominant religion.

 

[Debp]

The holy spirit is called heavenly father, male. There is heavenly mother, also heavenly holy spirit. She was and is honored in heaven and honored by us saints, we do not dishonor her or her Christian daughters. She cares about all the spirit children and how they are treated here on earth.

Devin the above does sound peculiar. Are you talking about Mary? Because the Trinity is plainly the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit comes to indwell believers as Jesus promised us.

 

[Grailhunter]

As for v18, while it certainly helps to make it clear for us who the Lord Jesus' parents are (and that Joseph was not His biological father, and that Mary was a virgin at her firstborn Son's conception and birth), that's all the Bible is clear about (how God the Holy Spirit actually caused her to became pregnant is not spelled out clearly for us, nothing beyond this anyway .. Luke 1:35).

That is a touchy topic.....With a lot of Christians believing sex is dirty, nasty, sinful, and of the devil, the process involving Yahweh begetting a Son is a taboo topic. The scriptures are usually modest regarding the process of procreation. In the Old Testament it is usually described like "he knew is wife." In the New Testament the process of impregnating Miriam is the most detail description of sex in the scriptures....More detailed than even the Songs of Solomon.
Even though the concept of Yeshua being the Son of God is a very important, the process and belief brings up a conundrum of feelings and beliefs. How did it happen?
The words used are begotten, conceived…and of course impregnation is the result….and then the delivery of a baby that is defined as the Son of Yahweh…And if sex was not involved and Miriam did not receive Yahweh's seed how could Yeshua be the Son of Yahweh???? Without sex occurring what should Yeshua be called? A created Son of God, would a creation be a Son?
This irks most Christians and I have asked several, If sex was not involved, describe how did it happen? The answers I get are between non-biblical---imaginative---funny. One of the funnier ones for those that believe Yeshua pre-existed and Miriam was a virgin after conceiving is that the three headed God called the Trinity, subdivided and Yeshua made Himself a fetus and transported into Miriam's womb and connected to her reproductive organs.
Now the Catholics take it a step further....Because they believe the vagina is so nasty that Yeshua would not have touched it....So He beamed into her womb and then beamed out of her womb, so as she was a virgin before and after delivering Yeshua. I wonder why they do not think the womb is nasty too.

The whole thing is hilarious.
Yahweh impregnating a female had to have been important because Yeshua could have just appeared on a mountain top. That would be more comfortable for Christians.
But just for fun, if you would like to describe how you believe Miriam was impregnated....please do so.

 

[Debp]

That is a touchy topic.....With a lot of Christians believing sex is dirty, nasty, sinful, and of the devil, the process involving Yahweh begetting a Son is a taboo topic. The scriptures are usually modest regarding the process of procreation. In the Old Testament it is usually described like "he knew is wife." In the New Testament the process of impregnating Miriam is the most detail description of sex in the scriptures....More detailed than even the Songs of Solomon.
Even though the concept of Yeshua being the Son of God is a very important, the process and belief brings up a conundrum of feelings and beliefs. How did it happen?
The words used are begotten, conceived…and of course impregnation is the result….and then the delivery of a baby that is defined as the Son of Yahweh…And if sex was not involved and Miriam did not receive Yahweh's seed how could Yeshua be the Son of Yahweh???? Without sex occurring what should Yeshua be called? A created Son of God, would a creation be a Son?
This irks most Christians and I have asked several, If sex was not involved, describe how did it happen? The answers I get are between non-biblical---imaginative---funny. One of the funnier ones for those that believe Yeshua pre-existed and Miriam was a virgin after conceiving is that the three headed God called the Trinity, subdivided and Yeshua made Himself a fetus and transported into Miriam's womb and connected to her reproductive organs.
Now the Catholics take it a step further....Because they believe the vagina is so nasty that Yeshua would not have touched it....So He beamed into her womb and then beamed out of her womb, so as she was a virgin before and after delivering Yeshua. I wonder why they do not think the womb is nasty too.

The whole thing is hilarious.
Yahweh impregnating a female had to have been important because Yeshua could have just appeared on a mountain top. That would be more comfortable for Christians.
But just for fun, if you would like to describe how you believe Miriam was impregnated....please do so.

It was a miraculous conception...conceived by the Holy Spirit. No sex involved. With God all things are possible.

"an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take to you Mary your wife, for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit." Matthew 1:20.

 

[Grailhunter]

It was a miraculous conception...conceived by the Holy Spirit. No sex involved. With God all things are possible.

"an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take to you Mary your wife, for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit." Matthew 1:20.

It was a miraculous conception...conceived by the Holy Spirit. No sex involved. With God all things are possible.

"an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take to you Mary your wife, for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit." Matthew 1:20.

Ya I forgot the scripture that said Yahweh miraculously caused Miriam to be pregnant. LOL
Another non-biblical explanation.....anything but the truth.
Would a miraculously created baby be the Son of God?
But of course, if Yahweh was involved it was miraculous, but still Miriam conceived. The word conceive is used. So how do you think a female conceives? The male seed joins with the female egg and conception occurs.
Now on the other hand Yahweh did cause females to conceive. John the Baptist's conception was miraculous but the wording is different. Luke 1:5-25 That was a miraculous conception but John was not the Son of God.

 

[Papa Smurf]

.....if you would like to describe how you believe Miriam was impregnated....please do so

Hello again Grailhunter, no, there are the "secret things" of God that the Bible speaks of, knowledge that we are not privy to (at least not now anyway), so I'm more comfortable leaving the mysteries that we find in the Bible as such (IOW, going with what we know rather than endlessly musing about what we do not), especially if these Biblical mysteries involve one or more of the Members of the Godhead.

I remain content, knowing that God has given us all that we need to know for now, whether in part or in whole, trusting that He's made sure that we know how to find our way to Him, and to live our life before Him, then, in a way that is both pleasing and glorifying to Him (as He continually sanctifies us and sees us safely through this life to be with Him in Glory .. e.g. Philippians 1:6).

God bless you!!

--Papa Smurf
p.s. - happy too that you gave me the opportunity to post the following verse (as it is one of my favorites)

Deuteronomy 29​

29 The secret things belong to the LORD our God, but the things revealed belong to us and to our sons forever, that we may observe all the words of this law.​

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[Grailhunter]

Hello again Grailhunter, no, there are the "secret things" of God, knowledge that were are not privy to (at least not now anyway), and I'm more comfortable leaving the mysteries that we find in the Bible as such, especially if they directly involve one or more of the Members of the Godhead.

I remain happy in the knowledge that God has given us all that we need to know for now, whether in part or in whole, trusting that He's made sure that we know how to find our way to Him, and to live our life before Him here in a way that is both pleasing and glorifying to Him (as He continually sanctifies us and sees us through this life to be with Him in Glory .. e.g. Philippians 1:6).

God bless you!!

--Papa Smurf
p.s. - happy too that you gave me the opportunity to post the following verse (as it is one of my favorites)

Deuteronomy 29​

29 The secret things belong to the LORD our God, but the things revealed belong to us and to our sons forever, that we may observe all the words of this law.​

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Oh God definitely gave us what we need to know but do people believe what He said or make up their own beliefs? Either way Yahweh loved us enough to send His only begotten Son. Salvation offered to the world. Like the Angel said....I bring you glad tidings of great joy, which shall be to all.

 

[Raccoon1010]

If E = mc2 then we can divide and conclude that...

Mass (m) = Plasma (E/c2) --- Making this eternal stuff along with an eternal God

Mass can dissociate into plasma... Plasma can reassociate into mass... In dealing with eternity there could have been trillions of big bangs before what is called the big bang for all we know. There could have been so many big bangs that they were impossible to count. We are also products of the E/c2

Atoms - Encapsulated forms of energy and light - C2 in the denominator makes for the potential of a lot of energy!
Cells - Trillions of atoms within a single cell
Body - Trillions of cells in a human body

This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. - 1 John 1:5

God the Father is the light and energy behind the entire universe. Out of that plasma energy came the Son Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. God has things fixed where no man can come to him save through the name of Jesus and the leading of the Holy Spirit.

Hi @rockytopva ,

God's spirit is comfortable to us children and more fluid, solid as a loving holy white without blemish father. But he forms his spirit in loving ways for us, support, comfort, living and healing.

The body and universe are different and similar. He created Jesus to the measure of body with his holy ghost, yes.

The universe can be pleasant to look up at, and also dangerous to humans, like the extreme vacuum of empty space or the massive fusion fission of the sun. But we are pleasantly placed at a comforting distance so the sun brings life from God to our planet.

We are blessed here on earth. There are times we suffer, and times we have not.

I pray for heavenly peace and love from God to us all, here on earth and in the life to come.

Cheers!

 

[Taken]

Father, Son and Holy Spirit
Three are ONE United .

Lord God Almighty…ONE Creator.

ManKIND
Three are ONE United.

Body, Soul, Spirit…ONE Created.

Glory to God,
Taken