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According to Rev 13 all 7 heads are present at the same time, none are historic. Rev 17 also says they are mountains not kings. Horns are the symbolism for kings.
crowns, no crowns, Revelation 17, Revelation 12, Revelation 13
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According to Rev 13 all 7 heads are present at the same time, none are historic. Rev 17 also says they are mountains not kings. Horns are the symbolism for kings.
Mountains don't have crowns. Kings have crowns.
Revelation 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
The little horn person will be the other (king 7) not yet come at the time of John.
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"Five segments of the statue" (Daniel 2:31-35) refers to five historic kingdoms that provide order in the Middle East: Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece. These are followed by Rome, and by the future kingdom of the beast (that continues the Roman rule).
"Crowns" refers to demonic rulers (since the beast from the abyss is the eighth).
Cities were often built on hills, making them difficult to attack because:
1. Hard to approach quickly without exposure to fire.
2. Visibility is miles.
3. Siege weapons and supplies had to be brought up a slope.
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The seven head, ten horn, but only seven crowns beast of Revelation 12:3-4 happened back when Lucifer first rebelled against God. That is when Lucifer drew a third of the angels into rebellion with him. The beast of Revelation 13 is a different beast, one for the end of this world.
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Yes it does, in Revelation 17...
Per Revelation 13, two different 'beast' types are described. The one of Rev.13:1 is a beast kingdom. The one of Rev.13:11 forward is the beast king that is over the beast kingdom.
The below verse automatically implies the "beast" which the ten horns give their power to is the 'beast king'...
Rev 17:12
12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
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Per Daniel 7:8, the "little horn" comes up among the ten horns, and subdues three of the horns, which represent kings.
Right. But what we need to also examine is the meaning of the status of crowns on no crowns on status of the seven heads and ten horns in each of three chapters.
The three vertical columns on my table are the three chapters. The first horizontal row are the heads. The second horizontal row are the horns.
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Your chart about the 7 heads goes directly against the Revelation 17 Scripture about the ten horns ruling concurrently in the same 'hour' with the beast. That's why those are doctrines of men that are made up untruths.
Davy,
Revelation 17:12 informs that the ten horns will rule with the beast "one hour" (the 42 months of Revelation 13:5). The ten horns do not have their crowns until Revelation 13.
Revelation 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
Now look at my table. In the third column (Revelation 13) and the second row (the horns).
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Yet in your very 1st column on the Left, you have the seven heads as HISTORICAL lines.
The seven heads are about areas upon the earth where the ten horns reign. The heads represent "mountains" we are told. So those go along with the TIMING of the ten horns. And since the ten horns reign concurrently with each other, it is impossible for that to be an Historical type of emperors ruling one after another.
Take another look. Only 6 of the seven heads are historical.
The 7th head will be the end times little horn person in the second column. Which will complete the prophecy of the 7 kings.
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Your chart on that is still wrong, ...
...because those empire rulers represent the 'beast king' role, i.e. the "little horn" of Daniel 7 being the 7th one for the END of this world that will come upon among the "ten horns". It will be that 7th beast king that the ten kings will give their power to for "one hour", which is put for the time of "great tribulation" at the END of this world.
The 6th beast king was in Apostle John's day, and was the Roman emperor Domitian (as per the early Church fathers).
The 7th beast king has not come yet.
The 8th beast king is about Satan AFTER he is bound when Jesus comes, but then loosed one final time after Jesus' future "thousand years" reign.
The is difference of opinions whether Domitian or Nero was in power at the time John received Revelation.
Nero was the last of the Julio-Claudian dynasty. Domitian was the first of the Flavian dynasty.
I agree that the 7th king of that group of kings is yet to come.
The 7th king will become the 8th king, after the 7th king is killed and comes back to life.... and continues for a short space (of 42 months in Revelation 13:5)
Revelation 17:
10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
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According to Rev 13 none are historical as they all exist at the same time as part of the first beast.
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He is killed in Rev 19 but he does not come back to life until the resurrection of damnation with all the unsaved.
Revelation 13 is the status with 42 months left before Jesus returns. The seven heads have no crowns. The ten horns have crowns.
The seven heads no longer have crowns because king 7 will have been killed, ending the prophecy of the 7 kings.
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King 8, the beast king, along with the false prophet will be cast into the lake of fire the day that Jesus returns. Revelation 19:20.
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The early Church father Irenaeus confirmed Domitian as Roman emperor when John was at Patmos. Tertulian said John was exiled for his testimony under Domitian (see "The Prescription Against Heretics" by Tertulian, ch.36). Eusebius in Ecclesiastical History, Book 3) credits Domitian as ruling during the time of John on Patmos. Irenaenus in Against Heresies, Bk.5, Ch.30) said John had the Revelation vision at the close of Domitian's reign.
The 7th beast king will be Satan himself, working miracles upon this earth in plain sight. He is not killed and then comes back to life. The only time Satan will be destroyed is by God's Fire at the end of Christ's future "thousand years" reign. And when that destruction happens, Satan will have been loosed after Christ's "thousand years" reign as the 8th beast king to deceive the unsaved nations one final time, as written at the end of Rev.20.
What you are thinking about is the "deadly wound" of Rev.13. It is upon one of the "seven heads" which are "mountains" (geographic areas of the earth), and not upon the beast king. That "deadly wound" was upon one of Lucifer's beast kingdom "seven heads" described in Rev.12:3-4. For the Rev.13 beast kingdom that "deadly wound" suffered upon one of its "seven heads" will be healed.
Davy,
Revelation 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
out of the mouth of the dragon (Satan). Who will be Indwelling the speaking statue image of the beast-king.
out of the mouth of the beast (king)
out of the mouth of the false prophet
Satan will not be any of the 7 kings of Revelation 17:10.
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Yes, but it is not two people but one person and his kingdom which are the two beasts. The false prophet/antichrist has no sidekick, or second in command. No biblical writer ever described two persons working together as leaders of the world in the endtimes. Jesus didn't. Paul didn't. Daniel didn't and John certainly didn't.
No, there will be two persons cast into the lake of fire in Revelation 19:20, the day that Jesus returns.
The false prophet is not the Antichrist person. Being the Antichrist is one stage (stage 3) the little horn person goes through on his way to the lake of fire.
Also, in Revelation 16:13, it shows three persons. Satan, the beast-king, the false prophet.
Revelation 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
out of the mouth of the dragon (Satan). Who will be Indwelling the speaking statue image of the beast-king.
out of the mouth of the beast (king)
out of the mouth of the false prophet
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