The Relationship Between Israel and the Church

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Using the word "metaphor" didn't set right w/ me so I did a little research and concluded that the phrase from 2 Peter 3:8 "But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day," isn't a metaphor, it's a simile because it is contrasting two very real things. This comparison was first mentioned in Ps. 90:4. Comparatively, it is most likely a true statement. How will one measure time when they are eternal? Is eternal life a metaphor? Is a day a metaphor? There is no logical reason to suggest the thousand years aren't literal. Most of Rev. should be taken literally and while some symbolism is used they usually are explained somewhere else in the text.
Well, OK..."a simile",....and my point by the Holy Spirit within me was??
NO ONE should ever interpret 2 Peter 3:9 as being a reference to prove that the "metaphor"/"simile" of a thousand years will be LITERAL!!

Therefore, in your correcting me, you are admitting that in all likelihood, YOU have argued my point correctly, and yet there you stand, still stubbornly headstrong, to your own demise.
BUT,....if one has a misunderstanding about the 70th week, and Who it is actually about, moving forward, they will automatically falsify everything else that is prophetic.

You are severely compromised by your own undoing through the following false beliefs.
You apparently believe:
1. That man was given an immortal, eternally living Soul.
2. The 70th week is about a far flung, futuristic singular man to come, that "church-ianity" loves to call "THE Antichrist".
3. After the literal and Glorious return of Christ from Heaven, there will be a literal reign of Christ on this OLD earth for an additional 1000 years, that church-ianity calls "THE Millennium".
4. There is an eternally burning Hell whereby all the unsaved will consciously suffer eternal torment, forever and ever.
5. And for no other reason, except the reasons listed above, you believe in an unscriptural "secret" invisible rapture by a divided coming of Christ of TWO times, which is extremely contrary to 2 Thes. 1:7-10 and the entire NT.
 
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Well, OK..."a simile",....and my point by the Holy Spirit within me was??
NO ONE should ever interpret 2 Peter 3:9 as being a reference to prove that the "metaphor"/"simile" of a thousand years will be LITERAL!!

Therefore, in your correcting me, you are admitting that in all likelihood, YOU have argued my point correctly, and yet there you stand, still stubbornly headstrong, to your own demise.
BUT,....if one has a misunderstanding about the 70th week, and Who it is actually about, moving forward, they will automatically falsify everything else that is prophetic.

You are severely compromised by your own undoing through the following false beliefs.
You apparently believe:
1. That man was given an immortal, eternally living Soul.
2. The 70th week is about a far flung, futuristic singular man to come, that "church-ianity" loves to call "THE Antichrist".
3. After the literal and Glorious return of Christ from Heaven, there will be a literal reign of Christ on this OLD earth for an additional 1000 years, that church-ianity calls "THE Millennium".
4. There is an eternally burning Hell whereby all lost souls will consciously suffer eternal torment, forever and ever.
5. And for no other reason, except the reasons listed above, you believe in an unscriptural "secret" invisible rapture by a divided coming of Christ of TWO times, which is extremely contrary to 2 Thes. 1:7-10 and the entire NT.
You are wrong in two counts. #4 I'm not positive about hell being eternal, the second death of Rev. 20:14 could mean cessation of existence at any level, and #5 I do "not" believe the rapture will be secret or invisible and I believe in it because the bible teaches it as I'm sure you've been shown many times but choose to reject those parts of God's word. Just because a thousand years can be used as a metaphor does 'not" mean evey time it's mentioned it "must be" a metaphor as well. That's pretty immature thinking.
 

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You are wrong in two counts. #4 I'm not positive about hell being eternal, the second death of Rev. 20:14 could mean cessation of existence at any level, and #5 I do "not" believe the rapture will be secret or invisible and I believe in it because the bible teaches it as I'm sure you've been shown many times but choose to reject those parts of God's word. Just because a thousand years can be used as a metaphor does 'not" mean evey time it's mentioned it "must be" a metaphor as well. That's pretty immature thinking.
Thanks for your honesty!
Concerning #4, if you are in agreement with #1, you will ALWAYS wander around confused about what "the breath of life" actually is! But since you don't know, "Hell" will also be a mystery to you, in thinking of why it should be that God wants to keep people consciously in torment and suffering forever and ever.
Now, here is the answer to Gen. 2:7. It's called Oxygenated air.
See also Gen. 6:17, 7:15, 7:22.
Remember....Adam, Abraham, Moses etc. never did study (nor could they), Biology 101 and Chemistry 101.

Concerning #5, if you don't believe that the so called Rapture is not secret or invisible, then you are half way on the road to recovery.

Is it correct, if I say that you believe in a "Rapture" because of the words in
Rev. 20:6?
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
If so, then your correct response to my next question, will be your answer:

Q. Who is THE First Resurrection?
A.
J_ s _ _

Now insert your answer into Rev. 20:6.
"Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection [who is J _ _ _ _ ]".

If you ARE born again of the Holy Spirit, YOU ARE NOW having part in the First Resurrection, who is Jesus!
 
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Thanks for your honesty!
Concerning #4, if you are in agreement with #1, you will ALWAYS wander around confused about what "the breath of life" actually is! But since you don't know, "Hell" will always be a mystery to you in thinking of why it should be that God wants to keep people consciously in torment and suffering forever and ever.

Concerning #5, if you don't believe that the so called Rapture is not secret or invisible, then you are half way on the road to recovery.

Is it correct, if I say that you believe in a "Rapture" because of the words in
Rev. 20:6?
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
If so, then your correct response to my next question, will be your answer:

Q. Who is THE First Resurrection?
A.
J_ s _ _

Now insert your answer into Rev. 20:6.
"Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection [who is
J _ _ _ _ ]".


If you ARE born again of the Holy Spirit, YOU ARE NOW having part in the First Resurrection, who is Jesus!
Jesus was the "firstfruits" of the first resurrection. Those in 20:5 are the "latter" fruits of the first resurrection. No, I've never connected Rev. 20:6 to the rapture. Basically, I believe almost every verse in the NT that speaks of His return is speaking of the rapture. The exception is Rev. 19 which is depicting the actual 2nd coming in a way the other scriptures do not. I do agree with #1and I'm not walking around confused. We are born eternal, the only question is where we will spend it but since God is the one who created our eternalness, He is the only one that can snuff it out. The bible does speak way more about hell then it does heaven. That's just an uncomfortable fact.
 

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Jesus was the "firstfruits" of the first resurrection. Those in 20:5 are the "latter" fruits of the first resurrection. No, I've never connected Rev. 20:6 to the rapture. Basically, I believe almost every verse in the NT that speaks of His return is speaking of the rapture. The exception is Rev. 19 which is depicting the actual 2nd coming in a way the other scriptures do not. I do agree with #1and I'm not walking around confused. We are born eternal, the only question is where we will spend it but since God is the one who created our eternalness, He is the only one that can snuff it out. The bible does speak way more about hell then it does heaven. That's just an uncomfortable fact.
No.....Jesus Himself IS THE Resurrection, the very FIRST resurrection unto NEW life.

John 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I AM the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

Please follow through in how we are to understand of HOW we "have part" in His Resurrection.
Post #403: "If you ARE born again of the Holy Spirit, YOU ARE NOW having part in the First Resurrection, who is Jesus".

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You didn't pay attention to the verses I listed that speak about all the animals that also have "the breath of life in their nostrils". Are you saying that God made them to be eternal also.
After all, "the breath of life" was in their nostrils too.
So, is the breath of life a portion of the Spirit of God......or is it simply oxygenated air, and nothing more?
God isn't offended by common sense. In fact, he is not all that complicated, but the religions of church-ianity would have you think that He is.

Man became a living soul....he didn't get one!
Man was never given Eternal existence of any kind whatsoever, no matter how much you want to believe that God did give it to them. The fact is, they lost that OPPORTUNITY in the moment when Adam and Eve sinned, and then were booted out of the Garden.
Gen. 3:22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
23 Therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.
 
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No.....Jesus Himself IS THE Resurrection, the very FIRST resurrection unto NEW life.

John 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I AM the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

Please follow through in how we are to understand of HOW we "have part" in His Resurrection.
Post #403: "If you ARE born again of the Holy Spirit, YOU ARE NOW having part in the First Resurrection, who is Jesus".

Edit:
You didn't pay attention to the verses I listed that speak about all the animals that also have "the breath of life in their nostrils". Are you saying that God made them to be eternal also.
After all, "the breath of life" was in their nostrils too.
So, is the breath of life a portion of the Spirit of God......or is it simply oxygenated air, and nothing more?
God isn't offended by common sense. In fact, he is not all that complicated, but the religions of church-ianity would have you think that He is.

Man became a living soul....he didn't get one!
Man was never given Eternal existence of any kind whatsoever, no matter how much you want to believe that God did give it to them. The fact is, they lost that OPPORTUNITY in the moment when Adam and Eve sinned, and then were booted out of the Garden.
Gen. 3:22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
23 Therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.
In the garden of Eden, yes I do believe all the animals were eternal. And yes Adam and Eve were eternal until the fall. I just have more faith in God than those who believe the crown of God's creation could only last a couple of weeks w/o failing. I believe the time before the fall was waaayyyy longer than folks give God credit for.
 

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In the garden of Eden, yes I do believe all the animals were eternal. And yes Adam and Eve were eternal until the fall. I just have more faith in God than those who believe the crown of God's creation could only last a couple of weeks w/o failing. I believe the time before the fall was waaayyyy longer than folks give God credit for.

God commanded Adam and Eve to go forth and multiply. How long do you think it took them to obey?
What would you do?

Once they did, she would have fallen pregnant. Eve was in her fallen state when she became the mother of all the living.
 

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In the garden of Eden, yes I do believe all the animals were eternal.
I strongly disagree. "The breath of life" is oxygenated air. Nothing more, nothing less.

Since in the beginning, only God has Eternal life, how did He grant, give, form and/or extend his Own Eternal life to be within all the animals upon their creation? Did He breathe into them also, the same that He did for Adam and Eve? If it wasn't oxygenated air, WHAT was it that made all the animals to be eternal, as you do believe.
And yes Adam and Eve were eternal until the fall. I just have more faith in God than those who believe the crown of God's creation could only last a couple of weeks w/o failing. I believe the time before the fall was waaayyyy longer than folks give God credit for.
I strongly disagree.
Again....If it wasn't oxygenated air, WHAT was it that made Adam and Eve to be eternal, as you do believe.

Edit: All oxygenated air breathing animal life, including man, were created having innocence of mind. Animals still remain so today. Mankind however, lost their innocence of mind in the Garden event, whereby only man was created to have the capacity and ability to consciously reason and to choose between good and evil.
Animal life cannot do that.

By the way, Satan who was in the Garden already, symbolized as being the Tree of the knowledge of good and evil, wasted no time in his tempting of Eve.

Do you not understand that your personal understanding/belief, in a God that created everything HAVING ETERNAL existence IS WHY most people FALSELY believe that God allows/causes the unsaved to be consciously awake, for to experience unending ETERNAL torment in a "Hell", which also has become a fictitious belief of foolishness, bordering local comic book material.

"Hell"
has been extremely dramatized by "church- ianity", namely the Roman Catholic Church since 300 AD, with the Protestant churches following on their heels ever so closely. (The KJV was published in 1611).
Surely you do know about "Dante's Inferno" of the 14th Century.

Of course, it is the RCC that has promoted and enforced the theory, that man was given an Immortal, Eternal Soul.
Today, with most of the Protestant churches in tow, it is now the most powerful lie of satan for all time. It is so powerful, that it literally corrupts EVERY Religious Christian thought and doctrine about prophetic events, and most people like yourself, don't even know that such a "subtle" deception is happening to them!!

Mat. 16:6 Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.
(Could that be applied prophetically to our time, by inserting the Catholics and the Protestants? Hmm... I wonder.).
Both together, they are Church-ianity.
 
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God commanded Adam and Eve to go forth and multiply. How long do you think it took them to obey?
What would you do?

Once they did, she would have fallen pregnant. Eve was in her fallen state when she became the mother of all the living.
You're making up something the bible doesn't say. They were told to multiply well 'before" the fall.
 

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I strongly disagree. "The breath of life" is oxygenated air. Nothing more, nothing less.

Since in the beginning, only God has Eternal life, how did He grant, give, form and/or extend his Own Eternal life to be within all the animals upon their creation? Did He breathe into them also, the same that He did for Adam and Eve? If it wasn't oxygenated air, WHAT was it that made all the animals to be eternal, as you do believe.

I strongly disagree.
Again....If it wasn't oxygenated air, WHAT was it that made Adam and Eve to be eternal, as you do believe.

Edit: All oxygenated air breathing animal life were created having innocence of mind, and still remain so even today. Mankind however, lost their innocence of mind in the Garden event, whereby only man was created to have the capacity and ability to reason and to consciously choose between good and evil.
They were made in the image of God. They weren't informed about the possibility of death until they were told not to eat of the tree w/ the understanding that once they did they would 'begin" to die. How can you see it any other way?
 

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You are wrong in two counts. #4 I'm not positive about hell being eternal, the second death of Rev. 20:14 could mean cessation of existence at any level, and #5 I do "not" believe the rapture will be secret or invisible and I believe in it because the bible teaches it as I'm sure you've been shown many times but choose to reject those parts of God's word. Just because a thousand years can be used as a metaphor does 'not" mean evey time it's mentioned it "must be" a metaphor as well. That's pretty immature thinking.

It is repeatedly used in literal passages in the OT and NT as a symbol. The term "a thousand" is used in most languages in a general figurative sense to represent a large number or a large indefinite period. Certain common numbers are frequently used in Scripture as valuable symbols to represent particular divine truths or ideas; a thousand and ten thousand are two such numbers. They are employed as familiar figures to impress deep spiritual principles in a distinctly comprehendible and identifiable way. It is not necessarily the exact numerical size of the figure outlined that is important but the spiritual idea that it represents. In fact, English dictionaries recognize the indefinite nature of a thousand defining it variously as a very large number or a great number or amount. This use is very common in our daily language.

One and a thousand are brought together in a metaphorical sense in Psalm 84:9-10 to represent a similar illustrative thought as that of Deuteronomy 32:30. Using a comparable idea, although applying it to a specific measure of time, we learn, “Behold, O God our shield, and look upon the face of thine anointed. For a day in thy courts is better than a thousand. I had rather be a doorkeeper in the house of my God, than to dwell in the tents of wickedness.”

Comparing ‘one’ to ‘a thousand’ is common in Scripture; however, it is not simply a concept that is narrowly restricted to the subject of time, or exact time at that. This figurative statement in essence asserts that a day in the Lord’s presence is more blessed than untold ordinary ones outside of such. It in no way indicates that one (twenty-four hour) day in God’s presence exactly represents one thousand days elsewhere, such a limit would be an unfair restriction upon the meaning intended. Such a literal interpretation is at clear variance with the undoubted general usage of the phrase in Scripture and the specific import of the reading under analysis.

The figure a thousand is also employed in Psalm 50:10-11 to denote the greatness of God’s providence, saying, “For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills. I know all the fowls of the mountains: and the wild beasts of the field are mine.”

Does Christ only own the cattle on one thousand hills or does he own them all? Of course there is no way that this passage suggests that Christ only owns the cattle on one thousand hills. Rather, He owns every beast on every hill, thus revealing His omnipotence. The statement reference the “thousand hills” is preceded y the introductory comment: “For every beast of the forest is mine.” This is simply presented in such a way as to express the unfathomable authority and power of the living God. It beautifully correlates with the truth expressed in 1 Corinthians 10:28, which states, “the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof.”

The term “a thousand” is thus used to in some way express the nature and awesome power of Almighty God. The phrase is used to portray the Sovereignty of God and His supreme kingship over all creation. We must clearly acknowledge that the figure ‘a thousand’ is consistently and symbolically employed, throughout the Word of God, to denote an unfathomable amount or a vast period.

Even the figurative every-day statement ‘one in a thousand’ has emanated from the fountainhead of Scripture. It is found in Ecclesiastes 7:27-28 where Solomon laments, “one man among a thousand have I found; but a woman among all those have I not found. Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions.”

Solomon laments over the fact that he barely found any upright man in his travels. They were the exception rather than the rule. The thought here intended is that the man under consideration is of a particular choice character, being, as it where, the pick-of-the-bunch. The usage of the numbers one and a thousand is thus employed to represent a particular truth rather than specifically describing an accurate numerical equation.

In the same vein, Job 33:23 declares, “If there be a messenger with him, an interpreter, one among a thousand, to shew unto man his uprightness.” The same two common numbers are used here in the form of a contrast to simply portray the picture of a special vessel. Again, it is not the numbers that are important but the idea they represent.

As we have already discovered in our studies, the same kind of function is repeatedly afforded to the use of the term ‘ten thousand’ as is ‘a thousand’ in Scripture. It is often used in the same context and in the same way as a symbol to represent an immense figure. Thus, the Song of Solomon 5:10 declares, “My beloved is white and ruddy, the chiefest among ten thousand.”

Ten thousand is here used to, in some way, portray the deep-rooted emotions that a man feels towards his sweetheart. The usage of the number ‘ten thousand’ thus indicates the idea of the deep affection of the man rather than specifically describing an exact numerical computation.

The same idea is presented in 2 Samuel 18:2-3 where David is seen preparing for battle. He tells the people, “I will surely go forth with you myself also.” To which the people responded, “Thou shalt not go forth: for if we flee away, they will not care for us; neither if half of us die, will they care for us: but now thou art worth ten thousand of us: therefore now it is better that thou succour us out of the city.”

Jesus employs the number ten thousand as a general figure in Luke 14:31 to relate the necessity of wisdom, asking, “what king, going to make war against another king, sitteth not down first, and consulteth whether he be able with ten thousand to meet him that cometh against him with TWENTY THOUSAND?”

The distinct contrast between one and a thousand is again found in Job 9:2-3, where Job declares, “I know it is so of a truth: but how should man be just with God? If he will contend with him, he cannot answer him one of a thousand.”

This passage is contrasting the infinite knowledge of God to the finite knowledge of God. This language is stating the enormous depth of God's understanding rather than limiting God to the capacity to only answer a thousand questions.

The same idea is intended in Isaiah 60:21-22, where the prophet instructs, in relation to the New Earth, “Thy people also shall be all righteous: they shall inherit the land for ever, the branch of my planting, the work of my hands, that I may be glorified. A little one shall become a thousand, and a small one a strong nation: I the Lord will hasten it in his time.”

This passage is expressed in such a manner to in some way describe the great standing, wealth and supernatural power that is found in them that are God’s. God magnifies them in such a manner that the world cannot remotely comprehend. The expressions thus indicate magnitude:

A little one = a thousand
 

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In the garden of Eden, yes I do believe all the animals were eternal. And yes Adam and Eve were eternal until the fall. I just have more faith in God than those who believe the crown of God's creation could only last a couple of weeks w/o failing. I believe the time before the fall was waaayyyy longer than folks give God credit for.
You make it up as you go with zero Scripture to support. This is your MO.
 

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They were made in the image of God. They weren't informed about the possibility of death until they were told not to eat of the tree w/ the understanding that once they did they would 'begin" to die. How can you see it any other way?
^ your reply to my post #408^

That's another fallacy, fabricated and promoted by erroneous thinking by alot people. Even in the past, artists paintings often show the image of God the Father having a human form. Gen. 1:26-27.

However, when you do find an  image of God the Father and God the Son, of HOW they actually look like, before God the Son (Jesus) was made to be flesh, please send it to me. Lol.

Strong's Number - H6754
Hebrew: צלם
Transliteration: tselem
Pronunciation: tseh'-lem
Definition: From an unused root meaning to shade; a {phantom} that {is} (figuratively) {illusion} resemblance; hence a representative {figure} especially an idol: - {image} vain shew.
KJV Usage: image (16x), vain shew (1x).
Occurs: 17
In verses: 15

So then, from what I perceive of the word: "image", I understand it as being a design or a mental thought process by both the Father and the Son, of how they would create man from out of their own IMAG-ination, NOT that we would look like God, but rather that we would act like God in many ways.
Jesus said it this way: John 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
 
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It is repeatedly used in literal passages in the OT and NT as a symbol. The term "a thousand" is used in most languages in a general figurative sense to represent a large number or a large indefinite period. Certain common numbers are frequently used in Scripture as valuable symbols to represent particular divine truths or ideas; a thousand and ten thousand are two such numbers. They are employed as familiar figures to impress deep spiritual principles in a distinctly comprehendible and identifiable way. It is not necessarily the exact numerical size of the figure outlined that is important but the spiritual idea that it represents. In fact, English dictionaries recognize the indefinite nature of a thousand defining it variously as a very large number or a great number or amount. This use is very common in our daily language.

One and a thousand are brought together in a metaphorical sense in Psalm 84:9-10 to represent a similar illustrative thought as that of Deuteronomy 32:30. Using a comparable idea, although applying it to a specific measure of time, we learn, “Behold, O God our shield, and look upon the face of thine anointed. For a day in thy courts is better than a thousand. I had rather be a doorkeeper in the house of my God, than to dwell in the tents of wickedness.”

Comparing ‘one’ to ‘a thousand’ is common in Scripture; however, it is not simply a concept that is narrowly restricted to the subject of time, or exact time at that. This figurative statement in essence asserts that a day in the Lord’s presence is more blessed than untold ordinary ones outside of such. It in no way indicates that one (twenty-four hour) day in God’s presence exactly represents one thousand days elsewhere, such a limit would be an unfair restriction upon the meaning intended. Such a literal interpretation is at clear variance with the undoubted general usage of the phrase in Scripture and the specific import of the reading under analysis.

The figure a thousand is also employed in Psalm 50:10-11 to denote the greatness of God’s providence, saying, “For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills. I know all the fowls of the mountains: and the wild beasts of the field are mine.”

Does Christ only own the cattle on one thousand hills or does he own them all? Of course there is no way that this passage suggests that Christ only owns the cattle on one thousand hills. Rather, He owns every beast on every hill, thus revealing His omnipotence. The statement reference the “thousand hills” is preceded y the introductory comment: “For every beast of the forest is mine.” This is simply presented in such a way as to express the unfathomable authority and power of the living God. It beautifully correlates with the truth expressed in 1 Corinthians 10:28, which states, “the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof.”

The term “a thousand” is thus used to in some way express the nature and awesome power of Almighty God. The phrase is used to portray the Sovereignty of God and His supreme kingship over all creation. We must clearly acknowledge that the figure ‘a thousand’ is consistently and symbolically employed, throughout the Word of God, to denote an unfathomable amount or a vast period.

Even the figurative every-day statement ‘one in a thousand’ has emanated from the fountainhead of Scripture. It is found in Ecclesiastes 7:27-28 where Solomon laments, “one man among a thousand have I found; but a woman among all those have I not found. Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions.”

Solomon laments over the fact that he barely found any upright man in his travels. They were the exception rather than the rule. The thought here intended is that the man under consideration is of a particular choice character, being, as it where, the pick-of-the-bunch. The usage of the numbers one and a thousand is thus employed to represent a particular truth rather than specifically describing an accurate numerical equation.

In the same vein, Job 33:23 declares, “If there be a messenger with him, an interpreter, one among a thousand, to shew unto man his uprightness.” The same two common numbers are used here in the form of a contrast to simply portray the picture of a special vessel. Again, it is not the numbers that are important but the idea they represent.

As we have already discovered in our studies, the same kind of function is repeatedly afforded to the use of the term ‘ten thousand’ as is ‘a thousand’ in Scripture. It is often used in the same context and in the same way as a symbol to represent an immense figure. Thus, the Song of Solomon 5:10 declares, “My beloved is white and ruddy, the chiefest among ten thousand.”

Ten thousand is here used to, in some way, portray the deep-rooted emotions that a man feels towards his sweetheart. The usage of the number ‘ten thousand’ thus indicates the idea of the deep affection of the man rather than specifically describing an exact numerical computation.

The same idea is presented in 2 Samuel 18:2-3 where David is seen preparing for battle. He tells the people, “I will surely go forth with you myself also.” To which the people responded, “Thou shalt not go forth: for if we flee away, they will not care for us; neither if half of us die, will they care for us: but now thou art worth ten thousand of us: therefore now it is better that thou succour us out of the city.”

Jesus employs the number ten thousand as a general figure in Luke 14:31 to relate the necessity of wisdom, asking, “what king, going to make war against another king, sitteth not down first, and consulteth whether he be able with ten thousand to meet him that cometh against him with TWENTY THOUSAND?”

The distinct contrast between one and a thousand is again found in Job 9:2-3, where Job declares, “I know it is so of a truth: but how should man be just with God? If he will contend with him, he cannot answer him one of a thousand.”

This passage is contrasting the infinite knowledge of God to the finite knowledge of God. This language is stating the enormous depth of God's understanding rather than limiting God to the capacity to only answer a thousand questions.

The same idea is intended in Isaiah 60:21-22, where the prophet instructs, in relation to the New Earth, “Thy people also shall be all righteous: they shall inherit the land for ever, the branch of my planting, the work of my hands, that I may be glorified. A little one shall become a thousand, and a small one a strong nation: I the Lord will hasten it in his time.”

This passage is expressed in such a manner to in some way describe the great standing, wealth and supernatural power that is found in them that are God’s. God magnifies them in such a manner that the world cannot remotely comprehend. The expressions thus indicate magnitude:

A little one = a thousand
And still, "a thousand years" (or whatever) is a simile, as @Trekson corrected me on.
Therefore a simile and even a metaphor should NOT BE interpreted as being literal.
 
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They were made in the image of God. They weren't informed about the possibility of death until they were told not to eat of the tree w/ the understanding that once they did they would 'begin" to die. How can you see it any other way?
In the first two paragraphs of my post 408, You didn't answer my questions about what "the breath of life" is exactly from your point of view. Please be specific.
 

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^ your reply to my post? #408^

That's another fallacy, fabricated and promoted by erroneous thinking by alot people. Even in the past, artists paintings often show the image of God the Father having a human form. Gen. 1:26-27.

However, when you do find an  image of God the Father and God the Son, of HOW they actually look like, before God the Son (Jesus) was made to be flesh, please send it to me. Lol.

Strong's Number - H6754
Hebrew: צלם
Transliteration: tselem
Pronunciation: tseh'-lem
Definition: From an unused root meaning to shade; a {phantom} that {is} (figuratively) {illusion} resemblance; hence a representative {figure} especially an idol: - {image} vain shew.
KJV Usage: image (16x), vain shew (1x).
Occurs: 17
In verses: 15

So then, from what I perceive of the word: "image", I understand it as being a design or a mental thought process by both the Father and the Son, of how they would create man from out of their own IMAG-ination, NOT that we would look like God, but rather that we would act like God in many ways.
Jesus said it this way: John 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
I just see it as a human like form except He doesn't run on blood. Just look at stuff the way it's written and stop trying to spiritualize stuff that was never intended to be understood in that manner. We know he has hands and fingers, we know he can sit on a throne. You are making things way too difficult for yourself.
 

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And still, "a thousand years" (or whatever) is a simile, as @Trekson corrected me on.
Therefore a simile and even a metaphor should NOT BE interpreted as being literal.
Everything should be treated as literal, unless there is a logical reason not to. Just like the phrase, "God owns the cattle on a thousand hills" is a true literal statement and only an idiot would think "AHA, but he doesn't own more than that!"
 
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In the first two paragraphs of my post 408, You didn't answer my questions about what "the breath of life" is exactly from your point of view. Please be specific.
Imo, when God breathed into man He was giving him both air and a spirit, as God is a spirit and we are in His image. Our soul is who we are, how we are and will be known. Our spirit is what is eternal and I believe Paul when he said, "to be absent from the body is to be present w/ the Lord". There are several passages that show the eternalness of man.
 

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Everything should be treated as literal, unless there is a logical reason not to. Just like the phrase, "God owns the cattle on a thousand hills" is a true literal statement and only an idiot would think "AHA, but he doesn't own more than that!"
Well, a thousand years being equal to one 24 hour day is a conundrum, which is to God nothing more than a statement about Him dwelling in His Eternity, where there is NO measurement of "time" at all.
2 Peter 3:8-9 is NOT a statement about a future event in time, consisting of only a thousand years, being no more and no less.
It's about an Age, whereby there is no pre-set date of it's end, namely this present Age of God's Grace of forgiveness.
 
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Well, a thousand years being equal to one 24 hour day is a conundrum, which is to God nothing more than a statement about Him dwelling in His Eternity, where there is NO measurement of "time" at all.
2 Peter 3:8-9 is NOT a statement about a future event in time, consisting of only a thousand years, being no more and no less.
It's about an Age, whereby there is no pre-set date of it's end, namely this present Age of God's Grace of forgiveness.
I agree he's not referencing the millennium w/ that statement.