Reviving Biblical Christianity (The Way) Part 2

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Laurina

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I assumed you and Episkopos have read her book and could answer that one question I have to begin with......... but instead of simply answering it, you chose to take up two posts to scold me for asking it.


I'm not claiming to be one with God (in the same sense that she apparently claimed to be). I would have thought someone who had attained a state of Christian perfection/holiness in this life would be delivered out of and cleansed of all falsehoods, whatever they happened to be, and be led by the Holy Spirit to COME OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE in accordance with His command in both old and new testament scripture.
...and she was....God brought her out...she was alone, she was weaned of the Catholic practices, God made it impossible for her to be able to receive the practices Catholics receive, and the Catholic authorities rejected, persecuted, were evil to her, and imprisoned her, and cast her out of their diocese. She loved with such a great, all-encompassing love that God used her to draw the simple folk to the kingdom of God. She also talked to and drew Fenelon and some monks to the kingdom of God. She caused a big stir in the Cathoic organization. She and Fenelon were cast down within the Catholic structure. However, the man-made structured religion could not stop her because God was with her. She also wrote a little book on how to pray...it was and is still very helpful.
Madame Guyon was Catholic in the sense that it means universal...open to all (who have a heart). She did not pray to Mary. She taught people how to pray. Her book is called: The Simple Way of Prayer (A Method of Union with Christ) by Madame Jeanne Guyon.
I'm just amazed that you asked about books about saints and I give you one and there is such a reaction against!! Drop it...I was trying to be helpful, but it's ridiculous how many hoops one must jump through to be helpful to you. You are NOT open, and I'm not interested in jumping through your hoops. You are either open to God and His ways, or you are not. I think it is very plain to see which.

Peace, ...and may God open your eyes, ears and heart.
 
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...and she was....God brought her out...she was alone, she was weaned of the Catholic practices, God made it impossible for her to be able to receive the practices Catholics receive, and the Catholic authorities rejected, persecuted, were evil to her, and imprisoned her, and cast her out of their diocese. She loved with such a great, all-encompassing love that God used her to draw the simple folk to the kingdom of God. She also talked to and drew Fenelon and some monks to the kingdom of God. She caused a big stir in the Cathoic organization. She and Fenelon were cast down within the Catholic structure. However, the man-made structured religion could not stop her because God was with her. She also wrote a little book on how to pray...it was and is still very helpful.
Madame Guyon was Catholic in the sense that it means universal...open to all (who have a heart). She did not pray to Mary. She taught people how to pray. Her book is called: The Simple Way of Prayer (A Method of Union with Christ) by Madame Jeanne Guyon.
I'm just amazed that you asked about books about saints and I give you one and there is such a reaction against!! Drop it...I was trying to be helpful, but it's ridiculous how many hoops one must jump through to be helpful to you. You are NOT open, and I'm not interested in jumping through your hoops. You are either open to God and His ways, or you are not. I think it is very plain to see which.

Peace, ...and may God open your eyes, ears and heart.
 

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Catholics follow religious teachings that did not come from the Lord, so they actually follow doctrines of demons.

Such as praying to and worshiping Mary which is idolatry and they continue in their sins ongoing which is why they are not forgiven. One must turn away from their sin and confess their sin to the Lord to be forgiven (see: Proverbs 28:13 and 1 John 1:9)

Revelation 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

The Lord teaches in His Word that we are to pray to the Father (that's God THE Father, not some catholic priest) directly - see John 16:23, Luke 11:1-13, Matthew 6:9-13, John 15:16, John 16:23-24, 1 Peter 1:17, Hebrews 7:25, John 14:6

The Lord never taught anybody to pray to mary and ask her to pray to God in their behalf.

That's a doctrine of demons because the devil is the one teaching this stuff. It's NOT the Doctrine of Christ and those not walking in the Doctrine of Christ are not in right standing with the Lord:

2 John 1:9
Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.




To those that follow catholic doctrine, in their minds you are in error for questioning anything catholics teach.
That's what they do.
Amen.

Any spirit that requires unquestioning conformity and tries to bludgeon or subtly intimidate people into conforming....is not of God. It is of the world and flesh and devil. (It is that exact same spirit of political correctness we have seen taking over society in recent decades.) For example, one doesn't dare to question a Catholic priest or what that church teaches in general, when they are presented as God's representatives on earth (aka idol) ...how dare one question God?? Whereas, on the contrary, the LORD tells us in His word to test everything........those who love the truth and actually care about souls, don't mind questions, they expect and welcome it.

Those who are of a wrong spirit are threatened by testing or challenge and rise up to protect their idols, instead of examining anything. Don't ask questions, don't be a troubler in Israel.....just submit, conform, and everything will be all right....just come join us and let's hold hands, kumbya. That's a cult spirit of slumber of those who are walking off a cliff with eyes closed.....not being sober and alert as the apostles warned and instructed. Why does God send/allow a spirit of delusion? Because they received not a love of the truth. So we need to first of all have received the Spirit of truth to love the truth....receive Christ, His Spirit, who is the Way and the Truth and the Life. That is the starting point.

Jon 1:5-6

Then the mariners were afraid, and cried every man unto his god, and cast forth the wares that were in the ship into the sea, to lighten it of them. But Jonah was gone down into the sides of the ship; and he lay, and was fast asleep.
So the shipmaster came to him, and said unto him, What meanest thou, O sleeper? arise, call upon thy God, if so be that God will think upon us, that we perish not.


Eph 5:13-15

But all things that are reproved, are made manifest by the light: for whatever doth make manifest is light.
Wherefore he saith, Awake, thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ will give thee light.
See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,


1Th 5:4-7

But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.
 

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...and she was....God brought her out...she was alone, she was weaned of the Catholic practices, God made it impossible for her to be able to receive the practices Catholics receive
That sound encouraging in her favour.......why couldn't you just say so when I asked? I will of course try to verify.

I'm just amazed that you asked about books about saints and I give you one and there is such a reaction against!!
That is your own wrong assumption sister. All I did was ask a question about something that didn't make sense to me and instead of answering my inquiry you responded by letting fly at me, which makes me wonder why. I read a couple of items that said Guyon held to her Catholic beliefs and devotion to that church to the end of her life.

What do you think of Oswald Chambers and Andrew Murray? Those are two that I am currently reading. I'm surprised that @Episkopos wouldn't have mentioned them, since he is focused on holiness.
 

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Thank you for coming back and responding to my post, but it doesn't answer my question at all. How could someone who is one with God still be under a deception? That doesn't make sense to me.
Exactly sister . If you even peek at this madam Guyon one could whiff a guru at work .
And as usual even the false can spout truths but still know not TRUTH .
This is naught buy mysticism sister . I whiffed it in an instant and the more i read the more it was only CONFIRMED .
but birds of a feather will always flock together . whether it be the feather of T RUTH or the feather of deceptoins .
 
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That sound encouraging in her favour.......why couldn't you just say so when I asked? I will of course try to verify.


That is your own wrong assumption sister. All I did was ask a question about something that didn't make sense to me and instead of answering my inquiry you responded by letting fly at me, which makes me wonder why. I read a couple of items that said Guyon held to her Catholic beliefs and devotion to that church to the end of her life.

What do you think of Oswald Chambers and Andrew Murray? Those are two that I am currently reading. I'm surprised that @Episkopos wouldn't have mentioned them, since he is focused on holiness.
Go on sister , VERIFY . i did . The odor of myticism is st rong on that one .
WHY you think certain members promote her .
AND YET what else have they promoted . Red flags are a dime a dozen with this group sister .
 
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That sound encouraging in her favour.......why couldn't you just say so when I asked? I will of course try to verify.


That is your own wrong assumption sister. All I did was ask a question about something that didn't make sense to me and instead of answering my inquiry you responded by letting fly at me, which makes me wonder why. I read a couple of items that said Guyon held to her Catholic beliefs and devotion to that church to the end of her life.

What do you think of Oswald Chambers and Andrew Murray? Those are two that I am currently reading. I'm surprised that @Episkopos wouldn't have mentioned them, since he is focused on holiness.
even calivin did not heed any longer the RCC . but it darn sure didnt mean that man was leading anyone to TRUTH .
just cause madam guyon claimed she was pulled out
DONT MEAN she was pulled to TRUTH . MYSTERY babylon was all over that one .
Even muhammed , false and anti christ as he was , WARNED against the RCC .
but it darn sure dont meant or mean HE LED HIS PEOPLE TO THE ONE TRUE GOD .
Just like jospeh smith could warn , but HE TOO did not lead his people to THE ONE TRUE GOD .
The motto of a sheep is , LET GOD be TRUE but every man a liar . But many love to cling to idols
and exalt their idols and if one dares to touch their idol , THEY scream TOUcH NOT GODS ANNOINTED .
This people needs an exodus outta eygpt and fast . Cause eygpt had indeed many gods
and they have many different versions of idols of which they call GOD . But its all of men . ITS of this world and of men .
 
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Episkopos says he is a student of God's Word so surely he's not out reading book by false teachers.
Dan i have a sub tropical island i would like to sell you in the artic realm .
If you actually beleive epi and his cliam . I thinks i could sell you anything .
HE is a student all right . Of what the ego of epi cliams to be The Word of GOD .
 
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Go on sister , VERIFY . i did . The odor of myticism is st rong on that one .
WHY you think certain members promote her .
AND YET what else have they promoted . Red flags are a dime a dozen with this group sister .
I want to get hold of her autobiography so I can read in her own words what she believed and taught. When I started to look into her, reading what some others had to say, I also caught a scent of new age and a sense of mixture. But I know too that people will often automatically reject and can often misrepresent anything they don't understand or haven't experienced for themselves...kind of like how cessationists reject anything spiritual, so Lord willing I will get her book and see for myself first hand.
 

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What do you think of Oswald Chambers and Andrew Murray? Those are two that I am currently reading. I'm surprised that @Episkopos wouldn't have mentioned them, since he is focused on holiness.

I have heard the name, Oswald Chambers, but don't remember in what context. I've never looked into him or Andrew Murray whom I've never heard of.

What do you think of their books, or what you are reading about them? What are the name of the books?

I've also read books about Wigglesworth, but I got the most help from Madame Guyon as she explains her road to the cross. It was very helpful to me personally to understand the suffering one must endure...the how and the why. Her autobiography has 2 parts, her life experiences before the cross and her life experiences after the cross.
 
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Why does God send/allow a spirit of delusion? Because they received not a love of the truth. So we need to first of all have received the Spirit of truth to love the truth....receive Christ, His Spirit, who is the Way and the Truth and the Life. That is the starting point.

Another reason is they sowed to the flesh and they reap corruption because of it.

By rejecting the Lord, they get the devil.
 

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Hi Lizbeth, ALL man-made institutions/systems fall short of the glory of God. All -isms are/can be "false and dangerous".

Having said that, God is greater than ALL the "labels/-isms" mankind comes up with.

I can account for having read Madame Guyon's autobiography many times over because it is very inspirational...how she whole-heartedly followed and loved God, even when that "ism" she came through persecuted and imprisoned her.

I believe that it's not about where we begin from, it's about where we end up...and the story is our journey. Everyone has a story.

Would you think that reading a murderer's story is dangerous? Yet, his story is over half of the New Testament. So, Madame Guyon's crime is having been Catholic?? God didn't think so.

I see you have certain "barriers/road blocks"... not judging, just observing. My motto is, "judge not lest you be judged."

Peace, Laurina
I have read it several times as well.( I have read many of her other books as well) Have you read "The spiritual guide" by Michael Molinos?
 
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I have read it several times as well.( I have read many of her other books as well) Have you read "The spiritual guide" by Michael Molinos?

If his writings deny scripture like Madame Guyon's writings do, True Christians won't be reading his stuff.

2 John 1:9
Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

The catholics don't teach the Doctrine of Christ,

They teach darkened wisdom of man kind and call it "catholic doctrine" as they claim one must go outside of scripture to find truth which is false doctrine

That's what this all comes down to is catholics have been indoctrinated to believe that the Lord FAILED and was INCAPABLE of putting all Truth in to His Canon and as such one must believe and follow extra biblical beliefs that do not come from God's Word in order to be saved as they claim all non-catholics will burn in hell because they don't accept "catholic doctrine"

In short, catholics, in their puffed up pride, believe they know better than the Lord Jesus
 

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If his writings deny scripture like Madame Guyon's writings do, True Christians won't be reading his stuff.

2 John 1:9
Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

The catholics don't teach the Doctrine of Christ,

They teach darkened wisdom of man kind and call it "catholic doctrine" as they claim one must go outside of scripture to find truth which is false doctrine

That's what this all comes down to is catholics have been indoctrinated to believe that the Lord FAILED and was INCAPABLE of putting all Truth in to His Canon and as such one must believe and follow extra biblical beliefs that do not come from God's Word in order to be saved as they claim all non-catholics will burn in hell because they don't accept "catholic doctrine"

In short, catholics, in their puffed up pride, believe they know better than the Lord Jesus
The catholic church persecuted both Madame Guyon and Michael Molinos.
 
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I have heard the name, Oswald Chambers, but don't remember in what context. I've never looked into him or Andrew Murray whom I've never heard of.

What do you think of their books, or what you are reading about them? What are the name of the books?

I've also read books about Wigglesworth, but I got the most help from Madame Guyon as she explains her road to the cross. It was very helpful to me personally to understand the suffering one must endure...the how and the why. Her autobiography has 2 parts, her life experiences before the cross and her life experiences after the cross.
They are both well known in evangelical and Pentecostal circles where I live, or used to be back when I was attending churches many years ago. Frances Frangipane as well. Oswald Chambers....My Utmost for His Highest....small daily devotional book of what I would call penetrating writings. Frances Frangipane book called Holiness, Truth and the Presence of God.....you can catch his sermons on line as well. The one that is particularly doing some deep ploughing in me right now is Dying to Self, A Golden Dialogue, which consists of a collection of excerpts written by William Law with Andrew Murray commenting on each one. But I know God uses different things to speak to and minister to different people. There seems to be a substantial "cloud of witnesses" that attest to a second act of grace by the Lord which vanquishes sin and puts it under our feet.

Right at the start of her autobiography (I found it online so have started reading it on my computer), I see Jeanne Guyon speaks of imputed righteousness, which is good. Yes, we need God's chastisements in this life....they are for our spiritual good.
 
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I see Jeanne Guyon speaks of imputed righteousness, which is good.
There's nothing wrong with imputed righteousness. It's just the old evangelical trick of imputing righteousness onto oneself based on having certain beliefs (like self-imputation). Only God can impute righteousness to a person...and only one by one as individuals. The ONLY people who imputed righteousness onto themselves like so many do based on a bible reading...are the Pharisees.

A hypocrite doesn't see themself as a hypocrite the same way a crazy person thinks they are perfectly sane.

PS. A righteous man doesn't think he is righteous. A humble man doesn't think he is humble. A courageous man doesn't consider himself to be courageous. Each of these are just doing what they feel is right.
 
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There's nothing wrong with imputed righteousness. It's just the old evangelical trick of imputing righteousness onto oneself based on having certain beliefs (like self-imputation). Only God can impute righteousness to a person...and only one by one as individuals. The ONLY people who imputed righteousness onto themselves like so many do based on a bible reading...are the Pharisees.

A hypocrite doesn't see themself as a hypocrite the same way a crazy person thinks they are perfectly sane.

PS. A righteous man doesn't think he is righteous. A humble man doesn't think he is humble. A courageous man doesn't consider himself to be courageous. Each of these are just doing what they feel is right.
Well as you know we have a strong point of contention there. Imputed righteousness is not a doctrine that says we are innately righteous in our own right - the bible teaches otherwise and the more we grow the more we realize the truth of this. But it is only that God is choosing to accept our faith in lieu of having true righteousness, and He is calling that which be not as though it were - all of which does work some miraculous changes in our lives, according to the grace apportioned to each one, though not yet perfect. Imputed righteousness is only made possible because Jesus paid our debt of unrighteousness/sin.

Imputed righteousness is His gracious and merciful covering over us as we journey toward holiness and the perfecting of our faith. Pillar of fire by night - protecting us from the darkness, which otherwise would mean being cast out of His presence.....and pillar of cloud sheltering us from the heat of the sun - fiery wrath of God.
 

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The catholic church persecuted both Madame Guyon and Michael Molinos.

That does not mean they were not purveyors of false doctrine.
They taught and advocated for catholic doctrine so they are false teachers.

Had they been smart that would have embraced the Doctrine of Christ as laid out in God's Word.
When people depart from God's Word and add stuff to it, that's when they enter false doctrine land

Proverbs 30:5-6
Every word of God proves true; He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him.
Do not add to His words, lest He rebuke you and you be found a liar.
 

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That does not mean they were not purveyors of false doctrine.
They taught and advocated for catholic doctrine so they are false teachers.

Had they been smart that would have embraced the Doctrine of Christ as laid out in God's Word.
When people depart from God's Word and add stuff to it, that's when they enter false doctrine land

Proverbs 30:5-6
Every word of God proves true; He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him.
Do not add to His words, lest He rebuke you and you be found a liar.
I have read both and I never heard either promote catholic doctrine
 
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