The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

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Jesus came to us in His mortal flesh.
Jesus is coming to us in His Holy Spirit.
Jesus shall come again in His Immortal Being.
So, do you not believe in the Trinity, then? Jesus was filled w/ the HS at his baptism and His immortality began the day of His resurrection show he already appeared to us that way. The HS is a separate unique personality of the Trinity.
 
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Final Edit: error corrected of wrong chapter posted for Zechariah. Not ch. 12 but rather ch. 14. I apologize for the confusion- Earburner

To all Amillennial believers, who are not settled with visible church-ianty's indoctrinated conclusions about KJV Zechariah ch. 14.

Because of our prophetically correct belief and understanding, that the 70th week of Daniel 9:26-27 was fulfilled 100% by Jesus through his mortal flesh, 3.5 years before Pentecost, and then 3.5 years after Pentecost, through his Holy Spirit, I perceive that we might share the thoughts of the Holy Spirit within us, to better understand the conundrum** of Zechariah ch. 14.

I will lead off by saying that much of Zechariah is already truthfully understood by us, in conjunction with Dan. 9:24-27 and the words of the NT scriptures.
Having said that,
I perceive we are also blessed to understand that all of Zech. Ch. 14, which began to be fulfilled in the 70th week of the Lord's first appearance in the flesh, and therefore the truth of Zech. Ch. 14 is still ongoing, until He returns from Heaven in flaming fire 2 Thes. 1:7-10.

Though I do have a good understanding about the words of Zechariah, herein lies the Lord's conundrum:
which Jerusalem is it that shall be "safely inhabited"? The Heavenly or the earthly Jerusalem? Gal. 4:21-31.
Zech. 14:11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.

As an Amillennial believer, what are your thoughts about Zech. Ch. 14:11


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  1. A riddle in which a fanciful question is answered by a pun.
  2. A paradoxical, insoluble, or difficult problem; a dilemma.
  3. A kind of riddle based upon some fanciful or fantastic resemblance between things quite unlike; a puzzling question, of which the answer is or involves a pun.
  4. A question to which only a conjectural answer can be made.
  5. A difficult question or riddle, especially one using a play on words in the answer.
  6. A difficult choice or decision that must be made.
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Zechariah 14:1-12 below shows the Lords return to earth in fire in final judgement.

(Verse 1) shows "The Day Of The Lord" also seen in 2 Peter 3:10-13 "Fire Judgement" below

(Verse 2) Shows that all nations are gathered for the final battle of armageddon.

(Verses 3-5) shows the Lords return, and his eternal feet touch down on the earthly Mt, of Olives, and in the "Twinkling Of An Eye" 1 Cor 15:52 takes place, in the catching up, resurrection, final judgement by fire, and the New Heavens, Earth, and Jerusalem being revealed for eternity, judgement complete, eternity begins.

(Verses 6-7) Eternal light seen, in the eternal kingdom, Rev 22:1-5

(Verse 8) The river of life is seen, Rev 22:1-5

(Verse 10) The New creation is being revealed, the plain is lifted up.

(Verse 12) "The Day Of The Lord" showing the "Last Day" judgement by the Lords fire, as men are consumed as they stand on their feet, 2 Peter 3:10-13

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Revelation 22:1KJV
And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

"The Eternal Kingdom"!

Zechariah 14:1-12KJV
14 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
7 but it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
9 And the Lordshall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.
10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin’s gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king’s winepresses.
11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.
 

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So, do you not believe in the Trinity, then? Jesus was filled w/ the HS at his baptism and His immortality began the day of His resurrection show he already appeared to us that way. The HS is a separate unique personality of the Trinity.
Do you understand that God the Father ALONE cannot dwell/live within our mortal bodies without Jesus??
God the Father needed the Sacrifice of His Son, just as much as we do, but for different reasons!!

I never said that the Holy Spirit wasn't a unique personality of the Trinity.
Do not misunderstand me. I DO understand Who the Gift of the Holy Spirit is.
I simply do not agree with visible church- ianity's view and how they have framed Him.

Upon the baptism of Jesus, I understand the Trinity to be God the Father dwelling within God the Son as One, and TOGETHER spiritually they ARE the Holy Spirit.
1 John 2:22
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. [You can't have one without the other].

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and WE will come unto him, and make OUR abode with him.

Rom. 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. [You can't have one without the other].

Rev. 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come into him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
(And of course, with God the Father dwelling within God the Son, He also comes into the believer, along with Jesus.)
 
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Zechariah 14:1-12 below shows the Lords return to earth in fire in final judgement.

(Verse 1) shows "The Day Of The Lord" also seen in 2 Peter 3:10-13 "Fire Judgement" below

(Verse 2) Shows that all nations are gathered for the final battle of armageddon.

(Verses 3-5) shows the Lords return, and his eternal feet touch down on the earthly Mt, of Olives, and in the "Twinkling Of An Eye" 1 Cor 15:52 takes place, in the catching up, resurrection, final judgement by fire, and the New Heavens, Earth, and Jerusalem being revealed for eternity, judgement complete, eternity begins.

(Verses 6-7) Eternal light seen, in the eternal kingdom, Rev 22:1-5

(Verse 8) The river of life is seen, Rev 22:1-5

(Verse 10) The New creation is being revealed, the plain is lifted up.

(Verse 12) "The Day Of The Lord" showing the "Last Day" judgement by the Lords fire, as men are consumed as they stand on their feet, 2 Peter 3:10-13

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Revelation 22:1KJV
And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

"The Eternal Kingdom"!

Zechariah 14:1-12KJV
14 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
7 but it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
9 And the Lordshall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.
10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin’s gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king’s winepresses.
11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.
Did you not read and understand my post #16? Maybe you missed it. Here it is again:

Post#16
(From my post #10):
Did you know that NONE of the OT prophets knew anything of when or how many times Jesus was going to appear unto us? The book of Zechariah is a prime example of the many times Jesus was prophesied to come to us. Only by the Holy Spirit within us can we discern them.

In Zechariah, I can discern three prophetic times of when Jesus comes to us.
How about you?
By the book of Zechariah, how many manifestations do you discern of Jesus coming to us?

Please see my post #19

Don't believe everything that is hatched by "the wisdom of men" of church- ianity. 1 Cor. ch. 2.
 
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Zechariah 14:1-12 below shows the Lords return to earth in fire in final judgement.

(Verse 1) shows "The Day Of The Lord" also seen in 2 Peter 3:10-13 "Fire Judgement" below

(Verse 2) Shows that all nations are gathered for the final battle of armageddon.

(Verses 3-5) shows the Lords return, and his eternal feet touch down on the earthly Mt, of Olives, and in the "Twinkling Of An Eye" 1 Cor 15:52 takes place, in the catching up, resurrection, final judgement by fire, and the New Heavens, Earth, and Jerusalem being revealed for eternity, judgement complete, eternity begins.

(Verses 6-7) Eternal light seen, in the eternal kingdom, Rev 22:1-5

(Verse 8) The river of life is seen, Rev 22:1-5

(Verse 10) The New creation is being revealed, the plain is lifted up.

(Verse 12) "The Day Of The Lord" showing the "Last Day" judgement by the Lords fire, as men are consumed as they stand on their feet, 2 Peter 3:10-13

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Revelation 22:1KJV
And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

"The Eternal Kingdom"!

Zechariah 14:1-12KJV
14 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
7 but it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
9 And the Lordshall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.
10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin’s gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king’s winepresses.
11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.
Remember, none of the OT prophets knew anything of when or how many times Jesus would be manifested in the world.

As much as you would like to believe that Zech. 14 is chronologically in order, that is not the case at all.
Let's take what you have just written and apply each verse of Zech. ch. 14 to the three manifestations of Jesus in the world:
1. Jesus came to us in His mortal flesh.
2. Jesus is coming to us in His Holy Spirit.
3. Jesus shall come again in His Immortal Being.
Please keep in mind two things:
God the Father was attempting to keep His Son's manifestations a "SECRET", but still at the same time, provide enough "HIDDEN wisdom" for Him to be recognized by those who love God with their whole heart. Mat. 13:35; Rom. 16:25; 1 Cor. 2:6-8.

John 5:39
Search the [OT] scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of [speak about] me.
 
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Remember, none of the OT prophets knew anything of when or how many times Jesus would be manifested in the world.

As much as you would like to believe that Zech. 14 is chronologically in order, that is not the case at all.
Let's take what you have just written and apply each verse of Zech. ch. 14 under the three manifestations of Jesus in the world:
1. Jesus came to us in His mortal flesh.
2. Jesus is coming to us in His Holy Spirit.
3. Jesus shall come again in His Immortal Being.
Please keep in mind two things:
God the Father was attempting to keep His Son's manifestations a "SECRET", but still at the same time, provide enough "HIDDEN wisdom" for Him to be recognized by those who love God with their whole heart. Mat. 13:35; Rom. 16:25; 1 Cor. 2:6-8.

John 5:39
Search the [OT] scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of [speak about] me.
Zechariah 14:1-12 represents the Lord's "second coming" in fire and final judgment "The Day Of The Lord", verses 4-11 shows the Lords "Future" return and the New Jerusalem being revealed in the eternal New Heaven and Earth

Luke 17:29-30 & Zechariah 14:12 the same future event is seen below of the Lords second coming in fire and final judgment


Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.


Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Zechariah 14:1-12 below shows the Lords return to earth in fire in final judgement.


(Verse 1) shows "The Day Of The Lord" also seen in 2 Peter 3:10-13 "Fire Judgement" below

(Verse 2) Shows that all nations are gathered for the final battle of armageddon.

(Verses 3-5) shows the Lords return, and his eternal feet touch down on the earthly Mt, of Olives, and in the "Twinkling Of An Eye" 1 Cor 15:52 takes place, in the catching up, resurrection, final judgement by fire, and the New Heavens, Earth, and Jerusalem being revealed for eternity, judgement complete, eternity begins.

(Verses 6-7) Eternal light seen, in the eternal kingdom, Rev 22:1-5

(Verse 8) The river of life is seen, Rev 22:1-5

(Verse 10) The New creation is being revealed, the plain is lifted up.

(Verse 12) "The Day Of The Lord" showing the "Last Day" judgement by the Lords fire, as men are consumed as they stand on their feet, 2 Peter 3:10-13

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Revelation 22:1KJV
And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

"The Eternal Kingdom"!

Zechariah 14:1-12KJV
14 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
7 but it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
9 And the Lordshall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.
10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin’s gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king’s winepresses.
11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.
 
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With the understanding that the 70th week of Dan. 9:24-27 was fulfilled by Jesus 100%, even after He Ascended into heaven, moves my focus on to Zech. Ch. 14.

Jesus did NOT... fulfill the 70th symbolic "one week" of Daniel 9:27. Only one who is deceived would even think that. It's actually a doctrine of the devil, because the Book of Daniel reveals the one coming that will place the "abomination of desolation" idol in a temple in Jerusalem will be a false one, and not Lord Jesus Christ. It's ludicrous to even think Jesus would do something like that; only His enemies would come up with such a false idea.
 

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Zechariah 14:1-12 represents the Lord's "second coming" in fire and final judgment "The Day Of The Lord", verses 4-11 shows the Lords "Future" return and the New Jerusalem being revealed in the eternal New Heaven and Earth

Luke 17:29-30 & Zechariah 14:12 the same future event is seen below of the Lords second coming in fire and final judgment


Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.


Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Zechariah 14:1-12 below shows the Lords return to earth in fire in final judgement.


(Verse 1) shows "The Day Of The Lord" also seen in 2 Peter 3:10-13 "Fire Judgement" below

(Verse 2) Shows that all nations are gathered for the final battle of armageddon.

(Verses 3-5) shows the Lords return, and his eternal feet touch down on the earthly Mt, of Olives, and in the "Twinkling Of An Eye" 1 Cor 15:52 takes place, in the catching up, resurrection, final judgement by fire, and the New Heavens, Earth, and Jerusalem being revealed for eternity, judgement complete, eternity begins.

(Verses 6-7) Eternal light seen, in the eternal kingdom, Rev 22:1-5

(Verse 8) The river of life is seen, Rev 22:1-5

(Verse 10) The New creation is being revealed, the plain is lifted up.

(Verse 12) "The Day Of The Lord" showing the "Last Day" judgement by the Lords fire, as men are consumed as they stand on their feet, 2 Peter 3:10-13

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Revelation 22:1KJV
And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

"The Eternal Kingdom"!

Zechariah 14:1-12KJV
14 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
7 but it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
9 And the Lordshall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.
10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin’s gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king’s winepresses.
11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.
Do you not see how you have aimlessly compiled all of Zech. Ch. 14 into chronological thinking, as to mean that all of what is said by the prophet is to happen ONLY at the end of time?

So my question is, prior to the Glorious visible manifestation of the Immortal Jesus, in flaming fire, God didn't speak through the prophet Zechariah about anything of the six works of God (Dan. 9:24), that Jesus was to "finish", BEFORE "that great and terrible Day"??
 

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Do you not see how you have aimlessly compiled all of Zech. Ch. 14 into chronological thinking, as to mean that all of what is said by the prophet is to happen ONLY at the end of time?

So my question is, prior to the Glorious visible manifestation of the Immortal Jesus, in flaming fire, God didn't speak through the prophet Zechariah about anything of the six works of God (Dan. 9:24), that Jesus was to "finish", BEFORE "that great and terrible Day"??

Your statements are nothing but hot air hype against the events prophesied in that Zechariah 14 Chapter. Why are you saying such things against that Zechariah 14 Chapter which is prophecy about Lord Jesus' future return to the Mount of Olives with His elect where He ascended to Heaven from (per Acts 1)? Why are you working with the devil against that Chapter?
 

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Jesus did NOT... fulfill the 70th symbolic "one week" of Daniel 9:27. Only one who is deceived would even think that. It's actually a doctrine of the devil, because the Book of Daniel reveals the one coming that will place the "abomination of desolation" idol in a temple in Jerusalem will be a false one, and not Lord Jesus Christ. It's ludicrous to even think Jesus would do something like that; only His enemies would come up with such a false idea.
Unfortunately, in the KJV Dan. 9:26-27, you have chosen the wrong "he" for verse 27. Therefore you have attributed all of your interpretation towards "the prince of the people that shall come" in verse 26 and not the Messiah, who was cutoff (crucified) in the midst of the 70th week. There is no justification whatsoever to push the 70th week out into the far future!!

Please notice how verse 27 reads, when you do assign the 70th week to Jesus:
27 And he [Jesus] shall confirm the [New] covenant with many for one week [7 years]: and in the midst of the week [3.5 years] he [Jesus] shall cause the [temple] sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations [the continuance of animal sacrifices] he [Jesus] shall make it [the temple] desolate [destroyed/void of God], even until the consummation [the end of time], and that determined [Dan. 9:24] shall be poured [out] upon the desolate [Pentecost- those who believe in Jesus, but were void of God]. Acts 2:16-18.

By the way, who was it that accomplished/finished all the six works of God in Dan. 9:24? You really don't know, even though Jesus spoke of them in John 17:4.
Was it God's Christ, or will it be "THE" Antichrist of "church- ianity's" imagination, who will NEVER show, simply because the words "man of sin" and "antichrist" are to be understood in the PLURAL and NOT the singular.
 
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Your statements are nothing but hot air hype against the events prophesied in that Zechariah 14 Chapter. Why are you saying such things against that Zechariah 14 Chapter which is prophecy about Lord Jesus' future return to the Mount of Olives with His elect where He ascended to Heaven from (per Acts 1)? Why are you working with the devil against that Chapter?
I am saying such things because God the Father spoke through Zechariah about ALL Three of the manifestations of Christ:
1. in His mortal flesh,
2. in His Holy Spirit, and
3. in His Immortal Glory.
 
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So, do you not believe in the Trinity, then? Jesus was filled w/ the HS at his baptism and His immortality began the day of His resurrection show he already appeared to us that way. The HS is a separate unique personality of the Trinity.

Do you understand that God the Father ALONE cannot dwell/live within our mortal bodies without Jesus??
God the Father needed the Sacrifice of His Son, just as much as we do, but for different reasons!!

I never said that the Holy Spirit wasn't a unique personality of the Trinity.
Do not misunderstand me. I DO understand Who the Gift of the Holy Spirit is.
I simply do not agree with visible church- ianity's view and how they have framed Him.

Upon the baptism of Jesus, I understand the Trinity to be God the Father dwelling within God the Son as One, and TOGETHER spiritually they ARE the Holy Spirit.
1 John 2:22
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. [You can't have one without the other].

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and WE will come unto him, and make OUR abode with him.

Rom. 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. [You can't have one without the other].

Rev. 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come into him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
(And of course, with God the Father dwelling within God the Son, He also comes into the believer, along with Jesus.)
I don't think the combo of the two make the HS. I believe they are three separate entities united in thought, mind and deed as a single unity as an example of total perfect unity.
 

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Jesus did NOT... fulfill the 70th symbolic "one week" of Daniel 9:27. Only one who is deceived would even think that. It's actually a doctrine of the devil, because the Book of Daniel reveals the one coming that will place the "abomination of desolation" idol in a temple in Jerusalem will be a false one, and not Lord Jesus Christ. It's ludicrous to even think Jesus would do something like that; only His enemies would come up with such a false idea.
Dan. 12 "The abomination that maketh desolate" was not against the Jews,....it was against God Himself.
Prov. 6:16-19
16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 [1] A proud look, [2] a lying tongue, and [3] hands that shed innocent blood,
18 [4] An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, [5] feet that be swift in running to mischief,
19 [6] A false witness that speaketh lies, and [7] he that soweth discord among brethren.

The Lord originally started out with six abominations, but then added a 7th abomination to his list of six. Can you select which abomination was the one he added, that changed the total from six to seven ?

Now that you know what the abomination was, and to whom it offended, you also shall know who committed it!!
Mat. 27
22 Pilate saith unto them, What shall I do then with Jesus which is called Christ? They [the Jews] all say unto him, Let him be crucified.
23 And the governor said, Why, what evil hath he done? But they cried out the more, saying, Let him be crucified.
24 When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it.
25 Then answered all the people [the Jews], and said, His [innocent] blood be on us, and on our children.

As Jesus Himself did say: Mat. 24:15
When ye therefore shall see
the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
 

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Do you not see how you have aimlessly compiled all of Zech. Ch. 14 into chronological thinking, as to mean that all of what is said by the prophet is to happen ONLY at the end of time?

So my question is, prior to the Glorious visible manifestation of the Immortal Jesus, in flaming fire, God didn't speak through the prophet Zechariah about anything of the six works of God (Dan. 9:24), that Jesus was to "finish", BEFORE "that great and terrible Day"??
Your living in a preterist "Fairy Tale Dream"!

Very same "Day Of The Lord" by "Fire"!

Zechariah 14:1KJV
Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

2 Peter 3:10-12KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
 
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I don't think the combo of the two make the HS. I believe they are three separate entities united in thought, mind and deed as a single unity as an example of total perfect unity.
Ok. No one is arguing who or what the religious term "Trinity" is or means, or how it functions. To know or not know of that religious concept, does not judge anyone's standing with God and the Gift of His salvation, which is freely given to all who put their faith and trust in Jesus as their personal Savior. God's Promise to them is John 11:26, 14:23, Trinity or no Trinity.
 
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Your living in a preterist "Fairy Tale Dream"!

Very same "Day Of The Lord" by "Fire"!

Zechariah 14:1KJV
Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

2 Peter 3:10-12KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
In Zechariah, about the Glorious, fiery return of Christ, I agree to everything you say 100%, but why do you neglect to speak of the two other manifestations of Christ's coming to Israel in mortal flesh and then Him coming to all the world by His Holy Spirit, which is of His "hidden wisdom", as it is also revealed in Zechariah?
Do you not know that all born again Christians have been spiritually keeping the Feast of Tabenacles, ever since Pentecost?
 
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Your living in a preterist "Fairy Tale Dream"!

Very same "Day Of The Lord" by "Fire"!

Zechariah 14:1KJV
Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

2 Peter 3:10-12KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
Have you ever examined the six works of God, in Dan. 9:24, that He gave Jesus to finish?

Seventy weeks [490 years] are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city,
1. to finish the transgression, and
2. to make an end of sins, and
3. to make reconciliation for iniquity, and
4. to bring in everlasting righteousness, and
5. to seal up the vision and prophecy, and
6. to anoint the most Holy.

Other than Jesus, do you know of any other person or persons who has the authority and ability to "finish the work" that God has "determined" to be completed?
If so, how and by whom will Dan. 9:24 be performed, if the 70th week has been cutoff and pushed out to take place at the end of time, as you and many others say?
 
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Your living in a preterist "Fairy Tale Dream"!

Very same "Day Of The Lord" by "Fire"!

Zechariah 14:1KJV
Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

2 Peter 3:10-12KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
In Zechariah, about the Glorious, fiery return of Christ, I agree to everything you say 100%, but why do you neglect to speak of the two other manifestations of Christ's coming to Israel in mortal flesh and then Him coming to all the world by His Holy Spirit, which is of His "hidden wisdom", as it is also revealed in Zechariah?
Do you not know that all born again Christians have been spiritually keeping the Feast of Tabenacles, ever since Pentecost?
Zechariah chapter 14 shows "The Day Of The Lord" The End, it also shows the eternal kingdom after the day of the Lord takes place, nothing more or less, its that simple

The feast of tabernacles will be observed in the eternal New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem

Zechariah 14:1-21KJV
1 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
9 And the Lord shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.
10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin's gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king's winepresses.
11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.
13 And it shall come to pass in that day, that a great tumult from the Lord shall be among them; and they shall lay hold every one on the hand of his neighbour, and his hand shall rise up against the hand of his neighbour.
14 And Judah also shall fight at Jerusalem; and the wealth of all the heathen round about shall be gathered together, gold, and silver, and apparel, in great abundance.
15 And so shall be the plague of the horse, of the mule, of the camel, and of the ass, and of all the beasts that shall be in these tents, as this plague.
16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the Lord will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
20 In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, Holiness Unto The Lord; and the pots in the Lord's house shall be like the bowls before the altar.
21 Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the Lord of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the Lord of hosts.
 

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Zechariah chapter 14 shows "The Day Of The Lord" The End, it also shows the eternal kingdom after the day of the Lord takes place, nothing more or less, its that simple

The feast of tabernacles will be observed in the eternal New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem
In Old Testament times, observing the feast of tabernacles included the performing of animal sacrifices and offerings. But, the sacrifice of Christ "once for all" made animal sacrifices and offerings obsolete. So, in what way do you think the feast of tabernacles will be observed in the eternal new heaven and new earth?
 

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In Old Testament times, observing the feast of tabernacles included the performing of animal sacrifices and offerings. But, the sacrifice of Christ "once for all" made animal sacrifices and offerings obsolete. So, in what way do you think the feast of tabernacles will be observed in the eternal new heaven and new earth?
Observing the feast of tabernacles will be Without animal sacrifice, no place in Zechariah 14 do you see animal sacrifice, it's your thought adding to scripture, I agree that Jesus is the perfect Lamb of God sacrificed for the world, abolishing animal sacrifice for sin

Will you deny that "The Day Of The Lord" is seen in Zechariah 14:1?, that the eternal river of life is seen flowing from New Jerusalem in Zechariah 14:8? That the wicked are consumed by the Lord's fire in "Final" judgement seen in Zechariah 14:12?

(The Eternal Kingdom) Isaiah 65:25

Isaiah 65:25KJV
25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the Lord.

Zechariah 14:1-12 represents the Lord's "second coming" in fire and final judgment "The Day Of The Lord", verses 4-11 shows the Lords "Future" return and the New Jerusalem being revealed in the eternal New Heaven and Earth

Luke 17:29-30 & Zechariah 14:12 the same future event is seen below of the Lords second coming in fire and final judgment (The End)


Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.


Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Zechariah 14:1-12 below shows the Lords return to earth in fire in final judgement.


(Verse 1) shows "The Day Of The Lord" also seen in 2 Peter 3:10-13 "Fire Judgement" below

(Verse 2) Shows that all nations are gathered for the final battle of armageddon.

(Verses 3-5) shows the Lords return, and his eternal feet touch down on the earthly Mt, of Olives, and in the "Twinkling Of An Eye" 1 Cor 15:52 takes place, in the catching up, resurrection, final judgement by fire, and the New Heavens, Earth, and Jerusalem being revealed for eternity, judgement complete, eternity begins.

(Verses 6-7) Eternal light seen, in the eternal kingdom, Rev 22:1-5

(Verse 8) The river of life is seen, Rev 22:1-5

(Verse 10) The New creation is being revealed, the plain is lifted up.

(Verse 12) "The Day Of The Lord" showing the "Last Day" judgement by the Lords fire, as men are consumed as they stand on their feet, 2 Peter 3:10-13

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Revelation 22:1KJV
And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

"The Eternal Kingdom"!

Zechariah 14:1-12KJV
14 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
7 but it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
9 And the Lordshall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.
10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin’s gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king’s winepresses.
11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.
 
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