The Discerning of Spirits

[rockytopva]

To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: - 1 Corinthians 12:10

Discerning of spirits is another important gift from God. Ellen G. White, a co-founder of the Seventh-day Adventist Church, described a vision where she saw Enoch on a world with seven moons, not a moon, where he had been translated. She saw him wearing a wreath with a bow. A world orbiting a planet (sometimes associated with Jupiter or Saturn in interpretations) with seven moons. Discerning of spirits is another "biggie!" Aren't we lucky to live in such an enlightened age!

 

[Always]

To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: - 1 Corinthians 12:10

Discerning of spirits is another important gift from God. Ellen G. White, a co-founder of the Seventh-day Adventist Church, described a vision where she saw Enoch on a world with seven moons, not a moon, where he had been translated. She saw him wearing a wreath with a bow. A world orbiting a planet (sometimes associated with Jupiter or Saturn in interpretations) with seven moons. Discerning of spirits is another "biggie!"

I guess the cigarette is throwing me off a bit..... oh well, discerning of spirits is a gift from God, to understand or judge things clearly, especially between what is true, and what is not. what is holy and what is not holy.

There is a deficit of this in the churches today, we see too much of the world being allowed to inhabit our sanctuaries, a strange praise, that does not belong to God, a strange message not of God. Familiar spirits .... in our churches, these are things that the gift of discernment can expose

 

[rockytopva]

I guess the cigarette is throwing me off a bit..... oh well, discerning of spirits is a gift from God, to understand or judge things clearly, especially between what is true, and what is not. what is holy and what is not holy.

There is a deficit of this in the churches today, we see too much of the world being allowed to inhabit our sanctuaries, a strange praise, that does not belong to God, a strange message not of God. Familiar spirits .... in our churches, these are things that the gift of discernment can expose

Understandable. So many are hard to follow these days.

 

[Always]

Understandable. So many are hard to follow these days.

Yes be very careful, although I'm not familiar with the woman you posted or the Seventh Day Adventist belief.

I know dreams or visions of moons, because the moon governs the tides, it often reflects ones emotional state. It may be a message to become more aware of your feelings or that an emotional shift is occurring.

It's a sign of transformation and growth: The phases of the moon indicate a period of change in your life a time to let go of old patterns and embrace new beginnings
I think this was a personal issue with this individual

 

[rockytopva]

Yes be very careful, although I'm not familiar with the woman you posted or the Seventh Day Adventist belief.

I know dreams or visions of moons, because the moon governs the tides, it often reflects ones emotional state. It may be a message to become more aware of your feelings or that an emotional shift is occurring.

It's a sign of transformation and growth: The phases of the moon indicate a period of change in your life a time to let go of old patterns and embrace new beginnings
I think this was a personal issue with this individual

There are dreams that are good dreams that come from an honest and a humble heart...

For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the LORD: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word. - -Isaiah 66:2

Unfortunately we have had our share of such dreams and visions that are overly wild. For me warning signs begin with a, "I feel like..." If such words are actually from God there will be much more certainty in the word or vision.

 

[rockytopva]

There have been Camp Meetings where the spirit of prophecy, writings, tongues, dreams, interpretations, and counsel was given in the yearly gatherings. The gift of discernment is particularly important here as people can get carried away in those sort of things.

 

[Always]

There have been Camp Meetings where the spirit of prophecy, writings, tongues, dreams, interpretations, and counsel was given in the yearly gatherings. The gift of discernment is particularly important here as people can get carried away in those sort of things.

I have the gift of interpretation, and yes it is imperative that one knows the Spirit and are led by Him, He is the Holy Ghost, not the holy guess! the test of the prophet is the manifestation of the prophecy, it doesn't have to manifest immediately, however if it came from God it will manifest.

tongues manifest when one receives the "anointing" of the Spirit, there are those who have the gift of tongues as well.

 

[rockytopva]

I have the gift of interpretation, and yes it is imperative that one knows the Spirit and are led by Him, He is the Holy Ghost, not the holy guess! the test of the prophet is the manifestation of the prophecy, it doesn't have to manifest immediately, however if it came from God it will manifest.

tongues manifest when one receives the "anointing" of the Spirit, there are those who have the gift of tongues as well.

I believe these things are reality for today. I was brought up in denomination who taught... "As the canon of Scripture has been completed, the Church does not look for the continued exercise of these sign gifts. " - Our Beliefs - Lake Ann Camp

In which is unfortunate. It is always nice to have visitations from the actual Holy Spirit and to hear what he has to say!

 

[soberxp]

It reminds me that the moon is regarded as unclean in the Bible.

7 moons could be mean

Jesus drove out the seven negative influences in people's minds.

 

[rockytopva]

Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind. - Colossians 2:18

We here at ChristianityBoard do not mind the promotion of dreams and visions.
We here at ChristianityBoard also do not mind the discerning of dreams and visions.

There is stuff too way to out there in which we have the right to discern.

 

[soberxp]

Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind. - Colossians 2:18

We here at ChristianityBoard do not mind the promotion of dreams and visions.
We here at ChristianityBoard also do not mind the discerning of dreams and visions.

There is stuff do way to out there in which we have the right to discern.

If we searching for the answer in the Bible, we could always find the right answer.
But if we want to find answer out of it, then we will get the wrong way.

 

[Scott Downey]

Bible Gateway passage: Ephesians 4 - New King James Version

Walk in Unity - I, therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you to walk worthy of the calling with which you were called, with all lowliness and gentleness, with longsuffering, bearing with one another in love, endeavoring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. There is one...

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Ephesians 4 is highly relevant here

I, therefore, the prisoner [a]of the Lord, [b]beseech you to walk worthy of the calling with which you were called, 2 with all lowliness and gentleness, with longsuffering, bearing with one another in love, 3 endeavoring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. 4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6 one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in [c]you all.

Spiritual Gifts​

7 But to each one of us grace was given according to the measure of Christ’s gift. 8 Therefore He says:

“When He ascended on high,
He led captivity captive,
And gave gifts to men.”
9 (Now this, “He ascended”—what does it mean but that He also [d]first descended into the lower parts of the earth? 10 He who descended is also the One who ascended far above all the heavens, that He might fill all things.)

11 And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, 12 for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the [e]edifying of the body of Christ, 13 till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ;

14 that we should no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting,

15 but, speaking the truth in love, may grow up in all things into Him who is the head—Christ— 16 from whom the whole body, joined and knit together by what every joint supplies, according to the effective working by which every part does its share, causes growth of the body for the edifying of itself in love.

 

[Cross8527]

Discerning of spirits is an interesting gift but can at times be kind of scary one time God opened my eyes and I went on youtube and saw satans finger prints all over youtube not from any videos or anything just the home page and saw in the spirit how deeply his claws was in that place another time I was just sitting in my room pondering things talking to God when it was like a viel suddenly lifted and I saw evil spirits everywhere I saw them whispering in peoples ears some were feeding off the misery of others like it cam eout of them as black smoke and the demon was feasting on it others were merely walking around seeing who they could devour but once they saw I could see them they became enraged and tried to attack me but God closed the viel before they could.

Another thing about discerning spirits is you can read other peoples hearts and their spiritual state I can usually sense where a person is in their walk some are very dry others are feasting on bread the word but not feeding their spirit with water others are just strictly doctine this doctrine that with no real fruits to show at all like a baren tree

The gift is not actually that common these days many think they have it yes but that is dangerous because the enemy will decieve them appearing as good or tricking them into thinking they are sensing something when in fact what they are sensing is not of God though they believe it is.. Discerning spirits is not something just anyone has though it is something all can have if they truly seek it but many people fake it whether by dreams and visions or prophesies or by assuming they are discerning something when they are way off

Be very careful with this particular gift because if you have it yes you can discern spirits you can see in the spirit and you can even sense where someone is in their walk but it also comes with a burden because you are now able to see the demonic everywhere and they hate that they do not like being exposed they will come after you and attack you not just physically but attack your life itself things suddenly go wrong at every turn damage is done to your money family will turn on you all at once or bit by bit

But the gift also has a calling because since you can sense and see what others can't you now have a responsibility a cross to bear you have to truly follow the Lords voice in what you must do and it is almost never easy trust me. Just know that having the gift is one thing what you do with it is another matter entirely

 

[TitusTwoWife]

Discerning of spirits is an interesting gift but can at times be kind of scary one time God opened my eyes and I went on youtube and saw satans finger prints all over youtube not from any videos or anything just the home page and saw in the spirit how deeply his claws was in that place another time I was just sitting in my room pondering things talking to God when it was like a viel suddenly lifted and I saw evil spirits everywhere I saw them whispering in peoples ears some were feeding off the misery of others like it cam eout of them as black smoke and the demon was feasting on it others were merely walking around seeing who they could devour but once they saw I could see them they became enraged and tried to attack me but God closed the viel before they could.

Another thing about discerning spirits is you can read other peoples hearts and their spiritual state I can usually sense where a person is in their walk some are very dry others are feasting on bread the word but not feeding their spirit with water others are just strictly doctine this doctrine that with no real fruits to show at all like a baren tree

The gift is not actually that common these days many think they have it yes but that is dangerous because the enemy will decieve them appearing as good or tricking them into thinking they are sensing something when in fact what they are sensing is not of God though they believe it is.. Discerning spirits is not something just anyone has though it is something all can have if they truly seek it but many people fake it whether by dreams and visions or prophesies or by assuming they are discerning something when they are way off

Be very careful with this particular gift because if you have it yes you can discern spirits you can see in the spirit and you can even sense where someone is in their walk but it also comes with a burden because you are now able to see the demonic everywhere and they hate that they do not like being exposed they will come after you and attack you not just physically but attack your life itself things suddenly go wrong at every turn damage is done to your money family will turn on you all at once or bit by bit

But the gift also has a calling because since you can sense and see what others can't you now have a responsibility a cross to bear you have to truly follow the Lords voice in what you must do and it is almost never easy trust me. Just know that having the gift is one thing what you do with it is another matter entirely

For a long time, I have wanted someone discerning to assess where Im at but I usually stop short of asking.

Can you tell where I'm at spiritually?

 

[PS95]

For a long time, I have wanted someone discerning to assess where Im at but I usually stop short of asking.

Can you tell where I'm at spiritually?

Titus- hi!
I could be mistaken here but
I see you as not yet fully able to accept grace yet. That you feel you need to add works without fully accepting that you are accepted and loved and saved by Jesus on the cross- first the gift AND --Fully resting in his love. Rejoicing comes in here!
What good thing God began in us He will finish. Jesus is the author and finisher of our faith.

THEN- our fruits come which can not save us- but are the evidence of our faith that rests in Him.

We must abide- yes- we want to! His spirit guides us and leads us in the way to go. We mess up sometimes- sure- we don't want to walk in sin. We don't sin purposefully- but we are human and sometimes our flesh wins, as we are growing to be more and more like our Lord. When we mess up now it aches us- we are not like we were before. There is no fear of losing our gift of salvation as we abide in His love. How can we not want to love others when He has shown us what love is so clearly?

Can we walk away? People answer that differently. Can we be caught up in unrepentant sins and lose salvation? People answer that differently. I am not going to argue about it. People see what they see. Obedience is a part of it all. I just focus on the cross and His love for us-then, I can't help but want to remain in the faith. Praise God. If I take my eyes off of Jesus- I will start to sink. He is key!

I think that satan always wants to keep us in fear thinking that we must have to DO something to earn salvation. It still happens to me- but reciting the word makes those self-righteous thoughts flee! It's a real battle. WE LOVE because we belong. We belong because He loved us and changed our hearts.
Evidence of our faith is not the same as earning it.- Agree or do you see it differently?

 

[TitusTwoWife]

That you feel you need to add works without fully accepting that you are accepted and loved and saved by Jesus on the cross- first the gift AND --Fully resting in his love.

Im not convinced I need to change this. Faith without works is dead. If we don't produce fruit, we are cast into the fire to be burned. Our core belief might be very different here.

We remain in Christ's love by keeping His commandments. I do not believe works detract from salvation at all. I even agree with Martin Luther and The whole Protestant Reformation about faith "alone" being sufficient.

 

[PS95]

Im not convinced I need to change this. Faith without works is dead. If we don't produce fruit, we are cast into the fire to be burned. Our core belief might be very different here.

We remain in Christ's love by keeping His commandments. I do not believe works detract from salvation at all. I even agree with Martin Luther and The whole Protestant Reformation about faith "alone" being sufficient.

I agree with you. Faith without works is dead. But I wasn't taught what grace was- so I thought that faith and works could maybe save me. It was part gift and part earning. It's not so- Grace thru Faith in Jesus' work saves us.. BUT a true faith will NOT remain alone------- Works are the fruit/evidence of saving faith.
James is not saying that works save us! He is teaching people who had no love for others-- He was saying- stop that- you say you are saved by faith and have no love- how can that be? True faith should change us- God gives us a new heart and mind and we see the Love of God on that cross. How can we say we love Him and not love others? WE are commanded to love. That's what James was saying. You see people today who say they have faith while they hate everyone else - think they are above others-or are greedy etc..
Where is that changed heart? That is a dead faith.
The "fruit" doesn't save us- it is proof of our faith- necessary? YES- as a reaction- but works can never save you. Cart. horse. When we understand saved by grace and fully accept it- it doesn't make us say - whatever you do you are saved- that's baloney- A person living in sins and bears no fruits is not saved. We know them by their fruits. Faith alone is God's requirement- otherwise we are trusting in self, but that faith does not STAY alone. That is what the bible teaches us.

It took me many years to see this properly. It is so freeing and beautiful. I used to think Paul and James disagreed- they don't.

Are we on the same page, my friend?

 

[TitusTwoWife]

I agree with you. Faith without works is dead. But I wasn't taught what grace was- so I thought that faith and works could maybe save me. It was part gift and part earning. It's not so- Grace thru Faith in Jesus' work saves us.. BUT a true faith will NOT remain alone------- Works are the fruit/evidence of saving faith.
James is not saying that works save us! He is teaching people who had no love for others-- He was saying- stop that- you say you are saved by faith and have no love- how can that be? True faith should change us- God gives us a new heart and mind and we see the Love of God on that cross. How can we say we love Him and not love others? WE are commanded to love. That's what James was saying. You see people today who say they have faith while they hate everyone else - think they are above others-or are greedy etc..
Where is that changed heart? That is a dead faith.
The "fruit" doesn't save us- it is proof of our faith- necessary? YES- as a reaction- but works can never save you. Cart. horse. When we understand saved by grace and fully accept it- it doesn't make us say - whatever you do you are saved- that's baloney- A person living in sins and bears no fruits is not saved. We know them by their fruits. Faith alone is God's requirement- otherwise we are trusting in self, but that faith does not STAY alone. That is what the bible teaches us.

It took me many years to see this properly. It is so freeing and beautiful. I used to think Paul and James disagreed- they don't.

Are we on the same page, my friend?

We didn't have to do anything to receive salvation (Ephesians 2:8-9). But there are requirements to enter the narrow way. We have to endure till the end. We need to produce good fruit. We need to keep Jesus' commandments or we'll be guilty of lawlessness. We need to stop sinning.

We need to strive to enter. All the phrase "rest jn the finished work of the cross" as I once believed did was make me comfortable in my sin and lukewarmness.

There are so many verses on obedience and overcoming through righteousness. Heck, I'll just say it, we need faith and works. I will never accept the faith alone doctrine again. I was a horrible Christian. We need to fear God and Ill rest in knowing I produce fruit now.

 

[PS95]

We didn't have to do anything to receive salvation (Ephesians 2:8-9).

Amen.

But there are requirements to enter the narrow way. We have to endure till the end. We need to produce good fruit. We need to keep Jesus' commandments or we'll be guilty of lawlessness. We need to stop sinning.

I see obedience as a natural result from His love.- not burdens. We love HIM because He first loved us!

We need to strive to enter. All the phrase "rest jn the finished work of the cross" as I once believed did was make me comfortable in my sin and lukewarmness.

Wow really? I has the exact opposite effect on me. I had not known what love was before I saw Jesus on the cross for my sins. It was so powerful and I embraced Him realizing I could never earn what He did for me. When I take all of the pressures off of me- I am so joyful that fruits can even gush at times. Not from a duty but from a grateful cheerful heart!

There are so many verses on obedience and overcoming through righteousness. Heck, I'll just say it, we need faith and works. I will never accept the faith alone doctrine again. I was a horrible Christian. We need to fear God and Ill rest in knowing I produce fruit now.

I know you feel this way. I did for much of my life too. It made me rigid and unloving- even mentally judging others. I was attempting to earn the impossible. It's so tiring. - Funny how we are flipped sides of that same coin here, huh? That's crazy!
I agree that obedience is important. It is a part of the reaction to His love. He is my only Lord and Master!
Those aren't just titles- they are roles. our fruits and obedience is the evidence that we do belong to Him.

Please never allow folks who teach that performance after accepting grace is a non issue- to lead you to think that is what is taught by all- It is NOT!
Performance--- it proves true faith!
I will show you my faith by my works.
Faith and good works go together- but faith saves- works are the result.

 

[TitusTwoWife]

Amen.

I see obedience as a natural result from His love.- not burdens. We love HIM because He first loved us!

Wow really? I has the exact opposite effect on me. I had not known what love was before I saw Jesus on the cross for my sins. It was so powerful and I embraced Him realizing I could never earn what He did for me. When I take all of the pressures off of me- I am so joyful that fruits can even gush at times. Not from a duty but from a grateful cheerful heart!

I know you feel this way. I did for much of my life too. It made me rigid and unloving- even mentally judging others. I was attempting to earn the impossible. It's so tiring. - Funny how we are flipped sides of that same coin here, huh? That's crazy!
I agree that obedience is important. It is a part of the reaction to His love. He is my only Lord and Master!
Those aren't just titles- they are roles. our fruits and obedience is the evidence that we do belong to Him.

Please never allow folks who teach that performance after accepting grace is a non issue- to lead you to think that is what is taught by all- It is NOT!
Performance--- it proves true faith!
I will show you my faith by my works.
Faith and good works go together- but faith saves- works are the result.

How do you really differentiate works done out of love for God and works done to earn salvation? I love God or I wouldn't submit to Him. I wouldn't care about His requirements if I didn't love Him.

I honestly have a lot of issues with the way effort is now seen by many as taking away from a loving relationship with God. We need effort just like we need the cross. We have to carry our cross. That takes effort.

I used to listen to Steve Brown. Listen to him sometime and you'll see the foolishness I was into.

I understand that God is love and He isn't constantly looking for ways to disqualify us. But I don't ever want to abuse His grace again. If that makes my faith "self-effort salvation" in the eyes of some, oh well.

I don't want to claim to be a Christian and not even be a good person. That's why I rejected OSAS. Sin is slavery, not just dead works.

God is love but his love is not unconditional, which would be apathy, it's sacrificial. We got His Son. He loves us that much. We owe Him everything and yes, that means we suffer and cease from sin.