Is it possible to lose salvation?

[PeterAndroz]

Being born again can't be stopped, ended, or remitted because its a ETERNAL BIRTH in the Spirit.

A.) You can't stop being born again....exactly as you can't cause it......and its the same with Salvation.

And some wide eyed heretic says.....>"but what if i walk away from my faith".

A.) Ok but you cant stop being in Christ, as this is a Spirtuai Birth that has already happened because GOD. has already accepted your faith and will "himself be faithfuld to complete" your Salvation.
Phil 1:6

"but what if .......what if......what if.....what if.........what if"........

A.) You can't stop being born again., and being born again is the ONLY REAL PROOF OF SALVATiON, as being born again proves it has happened.

Works dont prove spiritual birth....works prove faith......James teaches.
So then, What proves you are a become a REAL Christian???

A.) Jesus answered it.. He said.....>"you must be BORN AGAIN"., as that is the genuine heavenly proof of SALVATION = that is found on earth every time someone is BORN AGAIN .......as we are born again to eternally exit with God And Christ, as "one".

You can't stop being born again., and being water baptized is NOT how you become born again., tho the Mary Cult and many protestant branches of this dark and demonic religious system will tell you that water saves you.
And if that is True, then go and take a Hot Shower, as you've just been saved again.

C'mon, Think, or the Cults will get your mind and you'll never get it back, reader.

I'm aligned with the teachings of Christ that apply to me and Christ does that through Paul.
Sealed is sealed, my 'performance' after sealed (though eternally saved) results in rewards/loss at the JSOC.
"Works prove faith"
According to Paul, what is the measuring stick ?

 

[KUWN]

Please consider:

I do not believe Scripture supports the idea that a person can come to Christ and then live in permanent rebellion with no danger to his salvation.

Jesus said, “If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered” (John 15:6). He also said, “He who endures to the end shall be saved” (Matthew 24:13). In the parable of the sower, Jesus described some who “believe for a while” and then fall away in time of testing (Luke 8:13).

Paul gives the same warning. In Romans 11, he tells Gentile believers that they stand by faith, but if they do not continue, they also will be cut off. In Galatians 5:4, he speaks of people who have “fallen from grace.” In Colossians 1:23, he says believers are reconciled if they continue in the faith.

Hebrews is even more direct. Hebrews 3 warns brethren not to develop an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God. Hebrews 6 speaks of those who were enlightened, tasted the heavenly gift, became partakers of the Holy Spirit, and then fell away. Hebrews 10 warns about those who were sanctified by the blood of the covenant but later trample the Son of God underfoot.

Peter also says that some escape the pollution of the world through the knowledge of Christ, but then become entangled again, and their latter end is worse than the beginning.

So I believe salvation is by grace through faith, not by human works. But Scripture repeatedly warns believers to continue, abide, endure, and not turn away. These warnings are real, not empty. We are saved by faith, but saving faith must remain living faith.

you might be lost now, due to your continual sinning. If you can lose it, then it needs to go by a different name. Contingent salvation. and the only way of knowing if you make to heaven is once you die and you will know then.

 

[PeterAndroz]

you might be lost now, due to your continual sinning. If you can lose it, then it needs to go by a different name. Contingent salvation. and the only way of knowing if you make to heaven is once you die and you will know then.

and that being the case, Christ through Paul would teach that for today.
Please list the verses from Paul that teach a sealed believer can become UNsealed
Let Scripture prove that you are right :)

 

[CTK]

you might be lost now, due to your continual sinning. If you can lose it, then it needs to go by a different name. Contingent salvation. and the only way of knowing if you make to heaven is once you die and you will know then.

Why do you say that? God has clearly told us HOW to be save. He has clearly told us to CONTINUE to abide in HIM. That is the way we know we are saved. We are not saved by trying to keep the law - that is impossible. But even though we will continue to sin, as long as we accept Jesus as our Lord and Savior AND CONTINUE TO ABIDE IN HIM - WE ARE SAVED.

 

[KUWN]

Is it possible to lose salvation?

YES!

By never Heartfully Believing the Gift was bought, paid for, for you.

Glory to God,
Taken

Paul says it better in 2 Tim 2

13 if we are faithless, he remains faithful, for he cannot disown himself.

Even if you stop your faith toward Christ, he must remain truthful to his word.

Remember also in Eph 2 that you are already seated in the heavenlies. The doctrine of positional truth.

 

[PeterAndroz]

Paul says it better in 2 Tim 2

13 if we are faithless, he remains faithful, for he cannot disown himself.

Even if you stop your faith toward Christ, he must remain truthful to his word.

Remember also in Eph 2 that you are already seated in the heavenlies. The doctrine of positional truth.

My question/concern is that since faith/trust/belief in the death/burial/resurrection of Christ (1 Cor 15:1-4) is what saves you then that faith/belief/trust needs to be ongoing not just once off but I could be wrong eg 2 Tim 2 :13

So that's why I ask for the verses where Paul teaches that a Eph 1:13, Eph 4:30 sealed believer can become UNSealed.

 

[Wrangler]

Its not possible to Lose Jesus, once He is in you, as He is our Salvation.

Then why are there so many verses to the contrary?

1. Jesus talked about salt and branches being set afire or thrown out when they don't function as intended. That's us (losing our salvation) he's talking about!
2. He also talked repeatedly about actually doing what God commands is what makes one his brothers (in God's kingdom, implying those who don't aren't).
   • He wouldn't say this if it were not possible for us to FAIL.
3. Mark 11:25 When you are praying, and you remember that you are angry with another person about something, then forgive him. If you do this, then your Father in heaven will also forgive your sins.” See the conditional, if-then? This too implies failing to act as commanded means your salvation will be lost.
4. James 5:16 Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. He's talking to those who already have salvation, already have Jesus in them, who sin and need to be healed AGAIN.
5. Then in Hebrews, there is a sin that there is NO sacrifice to cover it.
   • Again, He wouldn't say this if it were not possible for us to DO the unforgivable sin (that Jesus' sacrifice doesn't cover).

None of this supports one and done theology but ongoing conditions to be met. You preach a half and therefore, false Gospel relying on fallacies and semantic arguments rather than God's word.

 

[David Lamb]

Is it possible to lose salvation?

YES!

By never Heartfully Believing the Gift was bought, paid for, for you.

Glory to God,
Taken

But surely unless a person heartfully believes that the gift (presumably you were referring to the gift of salvation) was bought and paid for by Jesus Christ, that person doesn't have salvation anyway.

 

[David Lamb]

To become UNsaved today a Eph 1:13, Eph 4:30 sealed believer must become UNsealed.
There are no verses from Paul that teaches that can happen today

...and also "un-born-again."

 

[Ziggy]

None of this supports one and done theology but ongoing conditions to be met

Once you been bought and are owned by the buyer, what conditions must be met in order to remain owned by the buyer?

Heb 10:29
Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
Heb 10:30
For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
Heb 10:31
It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

1Co 6:20
For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
1Co 7:23
Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men.

I suppose if you bought a car and it didn't run, you might put it in a junk yard. But you still own it.
Thing is, the car can't fix itself, but the new owner is a great mechanic and can get it running in good condition.

If it wasn't for God's Grace and Mercy, we all be in the junkyard.

Hugs

 

[PeterAndroz]

Please consider:

I do not believe Scripture supports the idea that a person can come to Christ and then live in permanent rebellion with no danger to his salvation.

Jesus said, “If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered” (John 15:6). He also said, “He who endures to the end shall be saved” (Matthew 24:13). In the parable of the sower, Jesus described some who “believe for a while” and then fall away in time of testing (Luke 8:13).

Paul gives the same warning. In Romans 11, he tells Gentile believers that they stand by faith, but if they do not continue, they also will be cut off. In Galatians 5:4, he speaks of people who have “fallen from grace.” In Colossians 1:23, he says believers are reconciled if they continue in the faith.

Hebrews is even more direct. Hebrews 3 warns brethren not to develop an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God. Hebrews 6 speaks of those who were enlightened, tasted the heavenly gift, became partakers of the Holy Spirit, and then fell away. Hebrews 10 warns about those who were sanctified by the blood of the covenant but later trample the Son of God underfoot.

Peter also says that some escape the pollution of the world through the knowledge of Christ, but then become entangled again, and their latter end is worse than the beginning.

So I believe salvation is by grace through faith, not by human works. But Scripture repeatedly warns believers to continue, abide, endure, and not turn away. These warnings are real, not empty. We are saved by faith, but saving faith must remain living faith.

........."""" then live in permanent rebellion with no danger to his salvation.""""
What do you classify as permanent rebellion ?
......."""""but saving faith must remain living faith.
Eg Matt 25:42-46 ? How often do you do all of them ?

 

[PeterAndroz]

...and also "un-born-again."

My understanding is that Eph 4:30 sealed unto the day of redemption = saved.
I'm unaware of where Paul (Rom-Philemon) teaches that a sealed believer can become UNsealed hence become unsaved.
If Paul taught it, the verses would be flooding in from others.
Still waiting :)

 

[CTK]

........."""" then live in permanent rebellion with no danger to his salvation.""""
What do you classify as permanent rebellion ?
......."""""but saving faith must remain living faith.
Eg Matt 25:42-46 ? How often do you do all of them ?

Read post # 5104 please.

 

[PeterAndroz]

Read post # 5104 please.

Not coming up, please attach it here.

How often do you do Matt 25:42-46 as part of your living faith claim requirement.

42For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

43I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

44Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

45Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.

46And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

 

[Taken]

But surely unless a person heartfully believes that the gift (presumably you were referring to the gift of salvation) was bought and paid for by Jesus Christ, that person doesn't have salvation anyway.

Point is…
The Agreeing to Take of the Gift…
IS While a mans Body is Alive.

The Receipt of the Gift…
IS After a mans Body is Accounted Dead.

The Agreeing to Take of the Gift…
Has a Caveat…an “IF”…REQUIREMENT…

That Requirement “IS” …
True Heartful Belief, at the Time of the Body’s Death.

“IF” the Belief be True…(at bodily death)
The man IS or Shall be Saved.

“IF” the Belief be NOT…(at bodily death)
The man is NOT, nor will be Saved.

Men may be fooled.
God verifies.
God is NOT fooled.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

........."""" then live in permanent rebellion with no danger to his salvation.""""
What do you classify as permanent rebellion ?
......."""""but saving faith must remain living faith.
Eg Matt 25:42-46 ? How often do you do all of them ?

Salvation, IS a Gift for ONE individual to willingly Agree to establish an exclusive One on One Relationship with the Lord God Almighty.

However that same One individual… may Not have Favorable One on One Relationships with Every other Living Humans.

Certainly Men Can and Do Disagree, Reject, Rebel, Against Other men…

Such Disagreement, Rejection, Rebellion “Between men…”
Has Zero Effect on a mans Relationship WITH and Salvation FROM the Lord God.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Scott Downey]

God saves believers, not unbelievers, without faith it is impossible to please Him.
Christ died for OUR sins. Christ is the great shepherd of HIS sheep; He does not shepherd those who will not believe, God foreknows His own sheep.

Paul speaks to the church of the saved in his letters, that is his audience.

1 Cor 15
Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, 2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.

3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures, 5 and that He was seen by [a]Cephas, then by the twelve. 6 After that He was seen by over five hundred brethren at once, of whom the greater part remain to the present, but some have [b]fallen asleep. 7 After that He was seen by James, then by all the apostles. 8 Then last of all He was seen by me also, as by one born out of due time.

9 For I am the least of the apostles, who am not worthy to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. 10 But by the grace of God I am what I am, and His grace toward me was not in vain; but I labored more abundantly than they all, yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me. 11 Therefore, whether it was I or they, so we preach and so you believed.

Hebrews 11:6
But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.

 

[Scott Downey]

More to consider on who is saved!

Bible Gateway passage: Hebrews 12 - New King James Version

The Race of Faith - Therefore we also, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which so easily ensnares us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for...

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3 For consider Him who endured such hostility from sinners against Himself, lest you become weary and discouraged in your souls. 4 You have not yet resisted to bloodshed, striving against sin. 5 And you have forgotten the exhortation which speaks to you as to sons:

“My son, do not despise the [c]chastening of the Lord,
Nor be discouraged when you are rebuked by Him;
6 For whom the Lord loves He chastens,
And scourges every son whom He receives.”
7 If[d] you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom a father does not chasten? 8 But if you are without chastening, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate and not sons. 9 Furthermore, we have had human fathers who corrected us, and we paid them respect. Shall we not much more readily be in subjection to the Father of spirits and live? 10 For they indeed for a few days chastened us as seemed best to them, but He for our profit, that we may be partakers of His holiness. 11 Now no [e]chastening seems to be joyful for the present, but painful; nevertheless, afterward it yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it.

 

[complete]

Hello there.

I receive a bi-monthly expositor from, 'The Berean Publishing Trust', and within it's pages, in the latest of them. I found the following, entitled, 'My Cup Runneth Over', under the covering referece to Hebrews 7:25, 'Salvation to the uttermost':- (Quote)

Salvation is the immediate result of believing the gospel of grace:-

'The gospel of Christ ... the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth ...'. (Rom. 1:16)
' ... behold, now is the day of salvation.' (2 Cor. 6:2)

Nevertheless, salvation is also spoken of as a future blessing:-

'... for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.' (Rom. 13:11)
'... For an helmet, the hope of salvation.' (1 Thessalonians 5:8)
'For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope;
for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?' (Rom. 8:24)

There is not only a salvation 'from', but a salvation 'to'. The children of Israel were not only delivered out of the land of Egypt, but were preserved during the forty years wandering of their elders. and shown the salvation of the Lord, when they entered into the land of promise (Psalm 91:16).

The cup of salvation truly runneth over. 'Faith' looks back to the cross and sees salvation accomplished. 'Hope' looks forward to the future glory and sees salvation realised. The salvation which is by His 'life' is a salvation 'to' a goal, whereas the salvation which is by His death is that which is 'from ' a condition of bondage of death.
The Hebrews were taught this glorious truth, for in Hebrews 7 the Apostles wrote:-

'Wherefore He is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by Him, seeing He ever liveth to make intercession for them.' (Heb. 7:25)

This cannot be the initial salvation which is consequent upon belieing the gospel. The sinner is not saved because Christ 'ever liveth', he is first of all saved because 'Christ died for the ungodly'. The sinner who believes is saved from sin and its consequences, but the believer is saved all along the way until he enters glory, because the Saviour, Who once died, now lives to die no more. Surely those who know a peace that passeth all understanding, grace that abounds, love that passes knowledge, joy that is unspeakable, and a salvation that covers past, present and future, surely these can take the cup of their salvation, and as they call on the name of the Lord can confess with full hearts. 'My cup runneth over.'
(Charles H. Welch)

Praise God!

Of God, 'In Christ Jesus'
(1 Cor. 30-31)
Chris

 

[Taken]

More to consider on who is saved!

Bible Gateway passage: Hebrews 12 - New King James Version

The Race of Faith - Therefore we also, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which so easily ensnares us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for...

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3 For consider Him who endured such hostility from sinners against Himself, lest you become weary and discouraged in your souls. 4 You have not yet resisted to bloodshed, striving against sin. 5 And you have forgotten the exhortation which speaks to you as to sons:

“My son, do not despise the [c]chastening of the Lord,
Nor be discouraged when you are rebuked by Him;
6 For whom the Lord loves He chastens,
And scourges every son whom He receives.”
7 If[d] you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom a father does not chasten? 8 But if you are without chastening, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate and not sons. 9 Furthermore, we have had human fathers who corrected us, and we paid them respect. Shall we not much more readily be in subjection to the Father of spirits and live? 10 For they indeed for a few days chastened us as seemed best to them, but He for our profit, that we may be partakers of His holiness. 11 Now no [e]chastening seems to be joyful for the present, but painful; nevertheless, afterward it yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it.

“IS” / “ARE” Sav-“ED”…
Are THEY… who are bodily accounted DEAD…
And Bodily Dies, while Heartfully Believing.

“ACCOUNTED” bodily dead, is a reference to…
Gods “books / records”…
* Physically / mortally Bodily dead…and
* Spiritually dead… Crucified with Jesus.

“HEARTFULLY” believing, is a reference to a mans true beliefs in his heart…(not his MIND).

Glory to God,
Taken