Paul's Gospel

[David Lamb]

The same place that teaches these verses no longer apply today
Gal 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 6:15
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
1 Cor 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
Col 3:11
Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

Those verses do apply today. However, the verses about Paul ministering to Gentiles could only apply while Paul was here on earth. Certainly the parts of the Bible for which God inspired Paul as the human penman remain true and relevant today, but so do other parts of the Bible.

 

[David Lamb]

1 Tim 1:16
Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.

Please list the verses that teach HEREAFTER has ended then your question will be answered

Being a pattern is being an example, not the same thing as being a minister or an apostle.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You my friend are confused AND ignorant of Scripture :-
Let's see what Christ selected Paul to do :)
Acts 26:16 But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee;
Rom 15:16 That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God
Eph 3:7 Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.
Col 1:25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;

Paul is dead my friend. I pray to God you have a minister you are studying under.

Again, Christ is my rock. there is no name under heaven whereby I must be saved.. Its not pauls name I was saved..

 

[PeterAndroz]

Those verses do apply today. However, the verses about Paul ministering to Gentiles could only apply while Paul was here on earth. Certainly the parts of the Bible for which God inspired Paul as the human penman remain true and relevant today, but so do other parts of the Bible.

Verses please DL, Scripture is my teacher and not the opinions of man.
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1 Tim 1:16 is self explanatory
Please list the verses that teaches the same for the 12
Please list the verses that teach HEREAFTER no longer applies to today
Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.

 

[David Lamb]

Verses please DL, Scripture is my teacher and not the opinions of man.
...
1 Tim 1:16 is self explanatory
Please list the verses that teaches the same for the 12
Please list the verses that teach HEREAFTER no longer applies to today
Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.

1 Timothy 1:16 is about Paul being an example, not about his preaching or his writing or his apostleship, all of which ended when his earthly life was over. I agree that we should be taught by Scripture, all of it, not just the parts Paul penned.

 

[PeterAndroz]

1 Timothy 1:16 is about Paul being an example, not about his preaching or his writing or his apostleship, all of which ended when his earthly life was over. I agree that we should be taught by Scripture, all of it, not just the parts Paul penned.

If you ask me for verses and I ramble on with opinions, am I being polite & respectful to your request or something else ?

 

[David Lamb]

If you ask me for verses and I ramble on with opinions, am I being polite & respectful to your request or something else ?

Sorry, what request? I have just looked back at my last 5 or 6 posts on this thread, and I cannot see where I have asked you for verses. Also, I don't think I accused you you being impolite or disrespectful. I am not sure how this relates to my post to which you were replying.

 

[PeterAndroz]

Sorry, what request? I have just looked back at my last 5 or 6 posts on this thread, and I cannot see where I have asked you for verses. Also, I don't think I accused you you being impolite or disrespectful. I am not sure how this relates to my post to which you were replying.

Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.
Let's see if we agree on these basics :-
I assume we both agree that "them" includes you & 1 and is currently ongoing (hereafter)
That only Paul was the first, not anyone before ?

 

[David Lamb]

Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.
Let's see if we agree on these basics :-
I assume we both agree that "them" includes you & 1 and is currently ongoing (hereafter)
That only Paul was the first, not anyone before ?

I can only repeat what I have said before, that Paul there is talking of himself as a pattern or an example. He is not saying that he is the first or the only apostle to the Gentiles, or that he would continue to be an apostle to Gentiles after his death. Paul wrote to the church at Ephesus:

(Eph 2:19) Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God,
(Eph 2:20) having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone,

The foundation of the apostles, plural. The church at Ephesus would have been mainly Gentiles.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I can only repeat what I have said before, that Paul there is talking of himself as a pattern or an example. He is not saying that he is the first or the only apostle to the Gentiles, or that he would continue to be an apostle to Gentiles after his death. Paul wrote to the church at Ephesus:

(Eph 2:19) Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God,
(Eph 2:20) having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone,

The foundation of the apostles, plural. The church at Ephesus would have been mainly Gentiles.

I am reminded of pauls words.

1 Cor 1: 11 For it has been declared to me concerning you, my brethren, by those of Ce’s household, that there are contentions among you. 12 Now I say this, that each of you says, “I am of Paul,” or “I am of Apollos,” or “I am of Cephas,” or “I am of Christ.” 13 Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?

Paul is talking about the very contention that the user is trying to add by trying to push us to follow paul.. and claiming paul had his own gospel

 

[dak]

Paul is talking about the very contention that the user is trying to add by trying to push us to follow paul.. and claiming paul had his own gospel

He did have a Gospel: it's now called the Gospel of Luke, and he handed it out with the Acts 15 decree/letter to all of the congregations which the Master formed through him, whom Paul was then responsible for, (the seven congregations which to whom he later writes letters). Start over at the beginning of the thread and believe Paul's own words.

 

[David Lamb]

He did have a Gospel: it's now called the Gospel of Luke, and he handed it out with the Acts 15 decree/letter to all of the congregations which the Master formed through him, whom Paul was then responsible for, (the seven congregations which to whom he later writes letters). Start over at the beginning of the thread and believe Paul's own words.

Sorry, but where in the Bible are we told that Paul handed out copies of the Gospel of Luke to "all of the congregations which the Master formed through him"?

 

[dak]

That only Paul was the first, not anyone before ?

There is much more behind that statement than most realize:

1 Timothy 1:16
16 αλλα δια τουτο ηλεηθην ινα εν εμοι πρωτω ενδειξηται Χ̅Ρς Ι̅Ης την απασαν μακροθυμιαν προς υποτυπωσιν των μελλοντων πιστευειν επ αυτω εις ζωην αιωνιον

1 Timothy 1:16
16 But for this reason I obtained mercy, that in me first Ι̅Η Χ̅Ρ might demonstrate the totality of long-suffering, for a pattern to those about to believe on him into life eternal.

The pattern contains the entire ministry of Paul, from his conversion at the very beginning, the vision on the road to Damascus, and all the way through Acts, and all of the historical things he records in his letters, and his visions also, (for if they do not apply to us then he was indeed merely boasting for sharing them: and he fully explains that the things he shared in that regard were necessary, and not just boasting), and including also all the pertinent things which he records along the way in his letters to the congregations which he was used by Elohim to form, and to be responsible for. Think long about that: the first event, the vision on the way to Damascus, (after much scripture study in this regard), likely occurred on the 24th day of the first month: same as the vision in Daniel 10, (Dan 10:4, the 24th day of the first month).

 

[dak]

Sorry, but where in the Bible are we told that Paul handed out copies of the Gospel of Luke to "all of the congregations which the Master formed through him"?

It is Logos, not just Rhema.

 

[David Lamb]

It is Logos, not just Rhema.

I don't see how that answers my question. As I understand it, Logos refers to the total, inspired, written Word of God (the Bible as a whole) ands to Jesus Christ as the incarnate Word. Rhema refers to a spoken word. But how does that explain where your notion of Paul handing out copies of Luke's gospel came from? Sorry for not understanding.

 

[dak]

I don't see how that answers my question. As I understand it, Logos refers to the total, inspired, written Word of God (the Bible as a whole) ands to Jesus Christ as the incarnate Word. Rhema refers to a spoken word. But how does that explain where your notion of Paul handing out copies of Luke's gospel came from? Sorry for not understanding.

Logos is reason, reasoning, and also understanding: the Logos of Elohim is His Reasoning within His Rhema spoken and written Word. You can see rhema with your eyes once it has been written: you cannot see logos with your eyes. This means we are required to diligently seek out the true meanings of arguments and teachings laid out for us in the scripture: for logos-reasoning can only be known by context, and the context is the written rhema, which is what is so terrible about people cherry picking verses and stripping them from their contexts: the Logos of Elohim is being removed when this happens, and it is always so that the cherry picker may insert his or her own logos into what they extract from the context. Did you go back to the beginning of this thread as I suggested to the other poster? It was that post to which you responded. The logos-reasoning is there in the written rhema from the scripture, which I posted from multiple places in the scripture. You also appear to almost be at the point of not even actually believing Paul's own words.

Simply saying "I don't see it actually written in the Bible" is not going to cut it for you: for if you neither hear nor understand the Logos then your supposed regeneration is in doubt, for the Logos is the one and only one-of-a-kind Son.

 

[David Lamb]

Logos is reason, reasoning, and also understanding: the Logos of Elohim is His Reasoning within His Rhema spoken and written Word. You can see rhema with your eyes once it has been written: you cannot see logos with your eyes. This means we are required to diligently seek out the true meanings of arguments and teachings laid out for us in the scripture: for logos-reasoning can only be known by context, and the context is the written rhema, which is what is so terrible about people cherry picking verses and stripping them from their contexts: the Logos of Elohim is being removed when this happens, and it is always so that the cherry picker may insert his or her own logos into what they extract from the context. Did you go back to the beginning of this thread as I suggested to the other poster? It was that post to which you responded. The logos-reasoning is there in the written rhema from the scripture, which I posted from multiple places in the scripture. You also appear to almost be at the point of not even actually believing Paul's own words.

Simply saying "I don't see it actually written in the Bible" is not going to cut it for you: for if you neither hear nor understand the Logos then your supposed regeneration is in doubt, for the Logos is the one and only one-of-a-kind Son.

Sorry I had not read the OP. I have remedied that now, and there I see you say that it was Ananias who gave Paul what we call the Gospel of Luke. We are not told that in Acts:

(Act 9:17) And Ananias went his way and entered the house; and laying his hands on him he said, "Brother Saul, the Lord Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you came, has sent me that you may receive your sight and be filled with the Holy Spirit."
(Act 9:18) Immediately there fell from his eyes something like scales, and he received his sight at once; and he arose and was baptized.
(Act 9:19) So when he had received food, he was strengthened. Then Saul spent some days with the disciples at Damascus.

I assure you I do believe that the Logos refers to the Lord Jesus Christ Himself, as is clear in John 1.

 

[dak]

Sorry I had not read the OP. I have remedied that now, and there I see you say that it was Ananias who gave Paul what we call the Gospel of Luke. We are not told that in Acts:

(Act 9:17) And Ananias went his way and entered the house; and laying his hands on him he said, "Brother Saul, the Lord Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you came, has sent me that you may receive your sight and be filled with the Holy Spirit."
(Act 9:18) Immediately there fell from his eyes something like scales, and he received his sight at once; and he arose and was baptized.
(Act 9:19) So when he had received food, he was strengthened. Then Saul spent some days with the disciples at Damascus.

I assure you I do believe that the Logos refers to the Lord Jesus Christ Himself, as is clear in John 1.

I take the whole evidence of what I posted on the topic and you appear to be avoiding it.
For example, from the OP:

Galatians 3:1 LSV (Literal Standard Version)
1 O thoughtless Galatians, who bewitched you, not to obey the truth—before whose eyes [it] was previously written [about] Jesus Christ having been crucified?

The above is one of the most literal readings to be found concerning Galatians 3:1.

1) The crucifixion did not happen in Galatia.
2) The Galatians were not at the crucifixion which occurred at Yerushalem.
3) The Galatians quite obviously had a WRITTEN ACCOUNT of the crucifixion.
4) Therefore the Meshiah was crucified before their very own eyes because they READ IT.

WHERE therefore did the account which they had in their possession come from? Do you really believe that their written account of the crucifixion could not possibly have come from Paul? If so, you do not believe Paul's very own words here in this passage: and that is because you cannot perceive or understand the Logos and very simple logical reasoning in his words.

 

[David Lamb]

I take the whole evidence of what I posted on the topic and you appear to be avoiding it.
For example, from the OP:

Galatians 3:1 LSV (Literal Standard Version)
1 O thoughtless Galatians, who bewitched you, not to obey the truth—before whose eyes [it] was previously written [about] Jesus Christ having been crucified?

The above is one of the most literal readings to be found concerning Galatians 3:1.

1) The crucifixion did not happen in Galatia.
2) The Galatians were not at the crucifixion which occurred at Yerushalem.
3) The Galatians quite obviously had a WRITTEN ACCOUNT of the crucifixion.
4) Therefore the Meshiah was crucified before their very own eyes because they READ IT.

WHERE therefore did the account which they had in their possession come from? Do you really believe that their written account of the crucifixion could not possibly have come from Paul? If so, you do not believe Paul's very own words here in this passage: and that is because you cannot perceive or understand the Logos and very simple logical reasoning in his words.

I agree that the crucifixion did not happen in Galatia, and that Christ had been presented to the Galatians as having been crucified. But that is a long way from what you have been saying, that Paul distributed Luke's Gospel to the various churches.

 

[dak]

I agree that the crucifixion did not happen in Galatia, and that Christ had been presented to the Galatians as having been crucified. But that is a long way from what you have been saying, that Paul distributed Luke's Gospel to the various churches.

Believe what you will then.