4. Revelation: Christ the Judge.

[Marilyn C]

Christ the Judge

When God the Father gives His Son the inheritance of the nations, (the scroll), Christ is also given the authority & power to execute the judgments written. He is their Judge.

`...the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son,......the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself, & has given Him authority to execute judgment also, because He is the Son of Man.` (John 5: 22, 26 & 27)



Christ is the Chief Justice of Heaven`s supreme court. His decisions are final and beyond His verdict there is no other court of appeal. He exercises the final prerogative that is essential to judgeship; He is able to kill and to make alive.

`There is one Law-Giver, who is able to save and to destroy.` (James 4: 12)


The character of this righteous Judge is shown as the Lamb, (the one who did the Father`s will), standing on the heavenly Mount Zion. He is the victor over the enemy and pronounces the coming judgments – to life and to death. (Rev. 14: 1)

 

[Marilyn C]

1. TO LIFE – `Fear God and give glory to Him...` (Rev. 14: 7)

We read that there are those who have the victory over the beastly Global Leader, (antichrist). They give praise to the Lamb, saying that He is just and true in His ways, His judgments. These people are of Israel & the nations –

`They sing the song of Moses .....and the Lamb,....Just and true are your ways, O King of the nations.` (Rev. 15: 2 – 4)


2. TO DESTRUCTION – `Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city;...` (Rev. 14: 8)

Here are the two `fallen, fallen,` indicating the two aspects of the great city of Babylon that are judged. First is the religious council which headed up the apostate church and the various other religions of the world. The powerful Islamic Federation of 10 nations, (10 crowned horns), get rid of every aspect of those religions. (Rev. 17: 16 – 18)



The second area that is dealt with is the commercial activity of the great city. It housed everything from precious jewels to the precious souls of man. God judges it and everything in it is destroyed. The great city of Babylon, the centre of the Global Government, the final tower that man built to make himself as God, is fallen, utterly burned with fire. (Rev. 18: 9 – 19)




3. TO ETERNAL FIRE - `If anyone worships the beast.....he shall be tormented with fire...forever.` (Rev. 14: 9 – 11)

The final part of this demonic Global Government is the beastly Global leader, (antichrist) and his executor. They flee to Jerusalem before the fall of Babylon and control the world from there. People have to choose whether they will still follow this man, or will repent & turn to God. (Dan. 11: 41)

The earth is then ready to be reaped –those to life, & those into God`s great winepress, (Armageddon).

 

[ewq1938]

How about this:

1 Peter 1:17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

How about this:

1 Peter 1:17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:

How about accepting what John 5:22 explicitly says without causing other scripture to contradict it? How does the Father judge? Through His Son.

Acts 17:30 Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, 31 because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead.”

 

[Marilyn C]

How about accepting what John 5:22 explicitly says without causing other scripture to contradict it? How does the Father judge? Through His Son.

Acts 17:30 Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, 31 because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead.”

So good we agree for a change.

 

[Marilyn C]

Christ the Deliverer

The Lord Jesus Christ, Heaven`s High Court Judge, makes the decisions - `to save or to destroy.` (James 4: 12) His judgments are righteous and are acclaimed by a great multitude in heaven.

`True and righteous are His judgments, because He has judged the great prostitute.... and He has avenged on her the blood of His servants....Alleluia! For the Lord God Omnipotent reigns!` (Rev. 19: 2 & 6)

Christ then comes forth from heaven to earth into time, with His angelic army, and personally deals with the armies of the world. (Matt. 25: 31)

Judgment of the antichrist and his army.

`and He gathered them together to the place called – Armageddon.` (Rev. 16: 16)

From the valley of Megeddo, (Heb. Armageddon) at the north of Israel, all the armies of the world gather. God then draws them down to the valley of Jehoshaphat, outside Jerusalem. (Joel 3: 12) Then on the Mount opposite, the Mt of Olives the Lord Jesus Christ and His angel army descend. (Zech. 14: 3 & 4 Matt. 16: 27)



His word of judgment, like a sword that comes forth from His mouth has the effect of a nuclear blast –

`Now out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it he should strike the nations.` (Rev. 19: 14)

`And this shall be the plague with which the Lord will strike all the people who fought against Jerusalem: their flesh shall dissolve while they stand in their feet, their eyes shall dissolve in their sockets, & their tongues shall dissolve in their mouths.` (Zech. 14: 12)

 

[Marilyn C]

Israel`s Messiah Revealed.

When the Lord has dealt with the world`s armies, the antichrist & False prophet, He goes across the valley to Jerusalem. There He meets with the people of Judah, the ruling tribe, & then the house of David, & the people of Jerusalem. A third of the people of Israel survived the terrible onslaught of the world`s armies & are looking for their Messiah.

However when the Lord shows them His nail pierced hands, it is only then that they realise that He was the one who came 2,000 years before and was crucified. With great sorrow they mourn because He was the promised Son & their nation killed Him.

`The Lord will save the tents of Judah first, so that the glory of the house of David & the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem shall not be greater than that of Judah.` (Zech. 12: 7)

`And I will pour on the house of the David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on me whom they have pierced; they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, & grieve for Him as one grieves for a first-born.` (Zech. 12: 10)



God knew that Israel would reject Him, but `as their husband` He said He would take `His wife` Israel back again.

`For your husband is your Maker, whose name is the Lord of hosts; your Redeemer is the Holy One of Israel,...like a wife forsaken and grieved in spirit,....”For a brief moment I forsook you, but with great compassion I will gather you.....with everlasting loving-kindness I will have compassion on you,” says the Lord your Redeemer.` (Isa. 54: 5 – 8)

`I will betroth you to me forever; yes I will betroth you to me in righteousness & justice, in loving-kindness and mercy; I will betroth you to me in faithfulness, and you shall know the Lord.` (Hosea 2: 19 & 20)

Thus we see that the `wife,` Israel has made herself ready to come under God`s rulership. The symbol of this reunion is ` the marriage of the Lamb.` The title the `Lamb` is only used in connection with Israel for it relates to their sacrifices. And the word `marriage,` denotes master, (Jer. 3: 14 God said – ` I am married to you.` master of you.)

`Let us be glad and rejoice and give Him glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His wife has made herself ready.` (Rev. 19: 7)

Israel then goes on to rule the people of the nations that are left, for a thousand years.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

So good we agree for a change.

Yes, it's nice to agree on something for once, which is obviously rare for us. I'd say John 5:22 is quite explicit in what it indicates, so it amazes me that anyone would disagree that all judgment is done by Jesus. The verse very explicitly says that the Father judges no one and has committed all judgment to the Son. How many ways are there to interpret that? It couldn't be more clear. Therefore, Jesus is doing the judging in Revelation 20:11-15 regardless of whether someone thinks that's a separate judgment from other judgments or not.

Since we do agree on this one thing, I'm not going to ruin that by telling you how I disagree with pretty much everything else you're saying in this thread.

 

[Marilyn C]

Yes, it's nice to agree on something for once, which is obviously rare for us. I'd say John 5:22 is quite explicit in what it indicates, so it amazes me that anyone would disagree that all judgment is done by Jesus. The verse very explicitly says that the Father judges no one and has committed all judgment to the Son. How many ways are there to interpret that? It couldn't be more clear. Therefore, Jesus is doing the judging in Revelation 20:11-15 regardless of whether someone thinks that's a separate judgment from other judgments or not.

Since we do agree on this one thing, I'm not going to ruin that by telling you how I disagree with pretty much everything else you're saying in this thread.

Thank you SI. I think you would agree that we after all this time do appreciate each other as we `sharpen iron on iron.`

 

[Marty fox]

Christ the Judge

When God the Father gives His Son the inheritance of the nations, (the scroll), Christ is also given the authority & power to execute the judgments written. He is their Judge.

`...the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son,......the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself, & has given Him authority to execute judgment also, because He is the Son of Man.` (John 5: 22, 26 & 27)

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Christ is the Chief Justice of Heaven`s supreme court. His decisions are final and beyond His verdict there is no other court of appeal. He exercises the final prerogative that is essential to judgeship; He is able to kill and to make alive.

`There is one Law-Giver, who is able to save and to destroy.` (James 4: 12)


The character of this righteous Judge is shown as the Lamb, (the one who did the Father`s will), standing on the heavenly Mount Zion. He is the victor over the enemy and pronounces the coming judgments – to life and to death. (Rev. 14: 1)

Do you believe that this took place already?

 

[Marilyn C]

Do you believe that this took place already?

No, as the Father said to His Son, "Sit at my right hand till I make your enemies (Ps. 2) your footstool.` (Ps. 110: 2)

We see from God`s word that it is the northern Federation that will be judged first. (Zech. 6: 8 Joel 2: 20 Ez. 38: 15) And that has not happened as ....yet.

 

[Marty fox]

No, as the Father said to His Son, "Sit at my right hand till I make your enemies (Ps. 2) your footstool.` (Ps. 110: 2)

We see from God`s word that it is the northern Federation that will be judged first. (Zech. 6: 8 Joel 2: 20 Ez. 38: 15) And that has not happened as ....yet.

But the verse you quoated that th eauthority has already been given to Jesus

`...the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son,......the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself, & has given Him authority to execute judgment also, because He is the Son of Man.` (John 5: 22, 26 & 27)

Then theres also this verse

Mathew 28
Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

 

[Marilyn C]

But the verse you quoated that th eauthority has already been given to Jesus

`...the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son,......the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself, & has given Him authority to execute judgment also, because He is the Son of Man.` (John 5: 22, 26 & 27)

Then theres also this verse

Mathew 28
Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

Yes, Jesus has the authority - far above all, however, He has been asked by the Father to sit at His right hand TILL He makes His enemies His footstool. That is yet to happen. Soon though.

We have the Lord`s authority over demons but not over nations. That is what the Lord will do soon -judge them.

 

[ewq1938]

But the verse you quoated that th eauthority has already been given to Jesus

`...the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son,......the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself, & has given Him authority to execute judgment also, because He is the Son of Man.` (John 5: 22, 26 & 27)

Then theres also this verse

Mathew 28
Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

And the verse usually not quoted:

Heb_2:8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.


This was written long after the cross and even at that time not all things were put under Him. That doesn't happen until the second coming.

 

[Marty fox]

And the verse usually not quoted:

Heb_2:8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.


This was written long after the cross and even at that time not all things were put under Him. That doesn't happen until the second coming.

It was the Father that wasn't put under Him

1 Corinthians 15
27 For he “has put everything under his feet.”[c] Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ.

 

[Marty fox]

Yes, Jesus has the authority - far above all, however, He has been asked by the Father to sit at His right hand TILL He makes His enemies His footstool. That is yet to happen. Soon though.

We have the Lord`s authority over demons but not over nations. That is what the Lord will do soon -judge them.

So He sits until satan is defeated in Revelation 20:7 then

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

And the verse usually not quoted:

Heb_2:8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.


This was written long after the cross and even at that time not all things were put under Him. That doesn't happen until the second coming.

Why do you ignore most of that verse?

Heb_2:8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.

All current things are under Him, but not all future things are under Him yet since they don't yet exist. In 1 Corinthians 15:22-28 Paul indicates that Jesus reigns now and must continue to reign until His second coming at which point the last enemy, death, is defeated and put under His feet and He will deliver the kingdom to God the Father at that time.

 

[ewq1938]

It was the Father that wasn't put under Him

1 Corinthians 15
27 For he “has put everything under his feet.”[c] Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ.

The Father is not part of what would be put under Christ. Basically this confirms Christ does not rule over everything yet but would eventually and this is about the world and creation, not his Father.

 

[Marilyn C]

So He sits until satan is defeated in Revelation 20:7 then

Jesus rules in the midst of His enemies, (Ps. 110: 2) which are the nations. (Ps. 2: 1 - 3) Remember that Satan is defeated and awaiting God`s word to bring hm down to earth and then the pit and finally the Lake.