How Confidant Are You Being Saved?

[Eternally Grateful]

1 John 3:1-3 KJV
1) Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2) Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3) And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

Its this hope..

Faith is the substance of things hope for Heb 11:1

if we do not have this hope. we do not have faith.

 

[Wrangler]

2) Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Just because we know one thing does not mean we know another thing.

 

[faithhopecharity]

Thanks for your many thoughtful posts. In response to your question, all I read is a repeating of dogma, a non-responsive reply, especially in light where Scripture says there is a sin that no sacrifice (including Jesus' work on the cross) covers.

what sin? what verse?

thks

 

[Eternally Grateful]

the are different kinds of sins

No there are not different kinds of sins

the wage of sin is death (rom 6: 23)

it does not say the wage of these sins is death. but these sins are not so bad.

sin not unto death: venial
not causing spiritual death

Your talking in your catholic roots.

sin unto death: mortal
causing spiritual death
requiring repentance and confession

thks

Sin unto death is simple. If I commited a sin, and that sin did not cause my death. I should not pray for it

I should praise God.

 

[faithhopecharity]

1 John 3:1-3 KJV
1) Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2) Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3) And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

how do we purify ourselves?

thks

mt 5:8 the pure of heart shall see God!

 

[Wrangler]

what sin? what verse?

thks

Hebrews 10:26

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Just because we know one thing does not mean we know another thing.

do you know you have eternal life. And that you will be like him when he returns?

God promised both..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

how do we purify ourselves?

thks

mt 5:8 the pure of heart shall see God!

Ephesians 5:26
that He might sanctify and cleanse her with the washing of water by the word,

Titus 2:14
who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from every lawless deed and purify for Himself His own special people, zealous for good works.

 

[Wrangler]

do you know you have eternal life. And that you will be like him when he returns?

God promised both..

I know those who are saved will be like him when he returns, i.e., resurrected into a new body. It takes discernment to reconcile apparent contradictions in Scripture. As @faithhopecharity has pointed out along with me, there are verses that are milk and there are verses that require more of us, the meat. You seem stuck on the milk. What about the sin that no sacrifice covers? Just ignore that?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I know those who are saved will be like him when he returns, i.e., resurrected into a new body. It takes discernment to reconcile apparent contradictions in Scripture. As @faithhopecharity has pointed out along with me, there are verses that are milk and there are verses that require more of us, the meat. You seem stuck on the milk. What about the sin that no sacrifice covers? Just ignore that?

All manner of sin shall be forgiven.

If there is any sin that a sacrifice does not cover. there can be no salvation for the one who commits that sin.

last I heard and read there is only one thing that condemned. UNbelief.. The are condemned already who who has repented and believed is no longer in a condemned state. and has passed from death to life.

Again, If you all want to work to earn the gift of life. feel free.

Don;t blame me when you fail

 

[faithhopecharity]

There’s the milk and then when you mature, the meat. You also preach a false, half gospel, willfully ignorant of verses that clearly make the divine promise conditional on our doing are part.

As @faithhopecharity put it, and when we don’t abide in Christ?

union if?

1 Jn 1:6-7

6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

thks

 

[Wrangler]

Nope

Because I do not know your heart or anyone elses.

The contradiction is in your words.
1. One can’t know who is saved.
2. I know am saved.

 

[marks]

Its this hope..

Faith is the substance of things hope for Heb 11:1

if we do not have this hope. we do not have faith.

Or our faith is misplaced, or immature, I think.

But at the end of the day, God's intent is clearly that we can know we are His.

Much love!

 

[Wrangler]

All manner of sin shall be forgiven.

That’s not what Scripture says. There are 2 unforgivable sins. Everyone who has actually read the Bible should know this.

 

[marks]

Just because we know one thing does not mean we know another thing.

I have no idea what your point is . . . just the same, God's intent is clearly that we have certainty that we are His children, and that being His children now, we will be transformed to be like Him then. "We know that . . ." Do you know?

Much love!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The contradiction is in your words.
1. One can’t know who is saved.
2. I know am saved.

Why do you keep trying to twist peoples words?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

That’s not what Scripture says. There are 2 unforgivable sins. Everyone who has actually read the Bible should know this.

Matthew 12:31

The Unpardonable Sin​

“Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven

I guess you interpret the word every like you do the word eternal? or never?

 

[faithhopecharity]

You have not corrected the contradiction. You have only hidden works behind the word “grace.” You say justification is free, but only “initial,” then claim it must be preserved through obedience and can be lost through sin. Scripture never teaches temporary justification or justification maintained by good works.

Paul says, “Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God” ~Romans 5:1. He also says, “Being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him” ~Romans 5:9. The believer’s standing rests upon Christ’s blood, not upon whether he performs enough grace-enabled works afterward.

Galatians 5:4 does not teach that believers lose grace by committing a so-called “deadly sin.” Paul identifies those who have fallen from grace: “Whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.” The warning is against seeking justification through works, which is exactly where your argument leads.

Romans 2:7 does not prove that eternal life is earned by patient continuance in good works. Paul’s conclusion is that no one meets God’s righteous standard: “By the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight” ~Romans 3:20. That is why sinners must be “justified freely by his grace” ~Romans 3:24.

You say believers do not have eternal salvation, but Jesus says, “He that believeth on me hath everlasting life” ~John 6:47. He also says the believer “hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation” ~John 5:24, and, “I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish” ~John 10:28.

Good works are the evidence of salvation, not the means of preserving justification. Calling works “grace-enabled” does not make them part of the gospel, because Paul says, “If by grace, then is it no more of works” ~Romans 11:6. Christ does not begin salvation and wait for man to finish it. “He is able also to save them to the uttermost” ~Hebrews 7:25.

we don't have salvation only the grace justification

and the grace can be lost!

will never inherit the kingdom of God or attain to eternal salvation

mt 25:30
Eph 5:2-6
gal 5:1
gal 5:19-21
gal 6:7-8
1 cor 6:9-10 & 15-20
1 tim 5:12
rev 21:8
rev 21:27

rom 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Gal 6:7-8

7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

Romans 8:13
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

Matthew 25:46
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

1 Jn 1:6-7

6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

thks

 

[faithhopecharity]

You have not corrected the contradiction. You have only hidden works behind the word “grace.” You say justification is free, but only “initial,” then claim it must be preserved through obedience and can be lost through sin. Scripture never teaches temporary justification or justification maintained by good works.

Paul says, “Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God” ~Romans 5:1. He also says, “Being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him” ~Romans 5:9. The believer’s standing rests upon Christ’s blood, not upon whether he performs enough grace-enabled works afterward.

Galatians 5:4 does not teach that believers lose grace by committing a so-called “deadly sin.” Paul identifies those who have fallen from grace: “Whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.” The warning is against seeking justification through works, which is exactly where your argument leads.

Romans 2:7 does not prove that eternal life is earned by patient continuance in good works. Paul’s conclusion is that no one meets God’s righteous standard: “By the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight” ~Romans 3:20. That is why sinners must be “justified freely by his grace” ~Romans 3:24.

You say believers do not have eternal salvation, but Jesus says, “He that believeth on me hath everlasting life” ~John 6:47. He also says the believer “hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation” ~John 5:24, and, “I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish” ~John 10:28.

Good works are the evidence of salvation, not the means of preserving justification. Calling works “grace-enabled” does not make them part of the gospel, because Paul says, “If by grace, then is it no more of works” ~Romans 11:6. Christ does not begin salvation and wait for man to finish it. “He is able also to save them to the uttermost” ~Hebrews 7:25.

do you think there are no works involved at all?

thks

 

[Gray_Joy]

what is eternal life and how is it different than eternal salvation?

thks

It's not. They're synonymous.
Eternal Salvation is eternal life in Christ because prior to our redemption from being dead in our sins,we were subject to the second death. Death,in sin,after the body dies.