How Confidant Are You Being Saved?

[Gray_Joy]

Amen! DOUBLE Hallelujah! There IS So Much Preserved Biblical Evidence Provided By God
our ETERNAL Saviour and LORD!!! Praise HIM Now And For Ever And EVER!! Amen!:

God's OPERATION On All HIS New-born babes In CHRIST
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God's Eternal Life Insurance

TOTAL Confidence, eh?
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And, precious friend(s), Please Be Very Richly Encouraged and Edified
In The Lord Jesus Christ and In His Precious Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided:

The Bible: The BIG Picture

Amen.

There's a concerted effort in the world to corrupt the truth of the teachings of Jesus.

Satan tried to tempt Jesus away from the mission he was born for. Despite the fallen effort, it is accomplished.

Do we think Satan gives up that easily?

2 Peter 2:1
But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction.

 

[marks]

and you are denying Jesus didn't die on a cross so you can sin with impunity.

When all you have left is ad hominem it's time to stop. I'll not reply to you further.

Much love!

 

[faithhopecharity]

You have not corrected the contradiction. You have only hidden works behind the word “grace.” You say justification is free, but only “initial,” then claim it must be preserved through obedience and can be lost through sin. Scripture never teaches temporary justification or justification maintained by good works.

Paul says, “Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God” ~Romans 5:1. He also says, “Being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him” ~Romans 5:9. The believer’s standing rests upon Christ’s blood, not upon whether he performs enough grace-enabled works afterward.

Galatians 5:4 does not teach that believers lose grace by committing a so-called “deadly sin.” Paul identifies those who have fallen from grace: “Whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.” The warning is against seeking justification through works, which is exactly where your argument leads.

Romans 2:7 does not prove that eternal life is earned by patient continuance in good works. Paul’s conclusion is that no one meets God’s righteous standard: “By the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight” ~Romans 3:20. That is why sinners must be “justified freely by his grace” ~Romans 3:24.

You say believers do not have eternal salvation, but Jesus says, “He that believeth on me hath everlasting life” ~John 6:47. He also says the believer “hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation” ~John 5:24, and, “I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish” ~John 10:28.

Good works are the evidence of salvation, not the means of preserving justification. Calling works “grace-enabled” does not make them part of the gospel, because Paul says, “If by grace, then is it no more of works” ~Romans 11:6. Christ does not begin salvation and wait for man to finish it. “He is able also to save them to the uttermost” ~Hebrews 7:25.

whats this mean?

gal 6:7-8

7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

thks

 

[Wrangler]

When all you have left is ad hominem it's time to stop. I'll not reply to you further.

Much love!

It’s not an ad homenim. An ad home is a type of faulty reasoning that goes like this … BECAUSE you’re X, you argument is bad.

Have the courage to answer the question EVEN IF the implications lead to reframing your perception of proper doctrine.

 

[Armour of God]

I have no objection to that. I do that

I will just not be saved because I do that. I was saved as a gift of God. Have an amazing sleep!!

But you said yourself that we will be judged on our deeds, so therefore salvation does require good deeds and the repentance of bad deeds.

 

[Lambano]

And that's why we've never been able to develop a coherent systematic theology that accounts for all the things written in the Bible.

 

[Armour of God]

once again, you show you do not understand what I believe

Your right. I've never understood the "saved by faith alone" concept, given that we will be judged by our deeds.

To me the concept implies that no matter if your an unrepentant sinner you will still be saved if you have faith. It gives people a license to be sinners and not repent.

For me faith and deeds go hand in hand. It appears we need both to be saved.
Would you agree?

Answer me this
I have faith, I do good deeds and I ask for forgiveness for my bad deeds.
Will I be saved in your opinion?

 

[Wrangler]

Your right. I've never understood the "saved by faith alone" concept, given that we will be judged by our deeds.

To me the concept implies that no matter if your an unrepentant sinner you will still be saved if you have faith. It gives people a license to be sinners and not repent.

They confuse milk for the meat.

MILK: John 3:16 whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

MEAT:

1 John 1:8-10 ​

8 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us.​

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John 15:4 Abide in Me, and I in you.​

Matthew 12: 50 For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”​

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Matthew 24:13 But the one who perseveres to the end will be saved.​

Milk glosses over that true belief is not lip serve. Believing is not a license to sin with impunity. Meat is action required on our part to meet the conditional IF, stated repeatedly in Scripture explicitly and implicitly.

There is such a denial that it doesn't depend on us so no man may brag, they consider grabbing hold of the life preserver Jesus throws to us in the stormy sea constitutes a valid claim that we saved ourselves. Such nonsense.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You misunderstand that text.

God removed free will. Because it isn't at all a factor in coming into God's grace by God's will.

If God removed free will. He is the creator of evil, We can blame God for all the evil in the world. We can even blame God for satan turning from him and falling..

Calvinism is a stain on the integrity and Honor of God my friend.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The logic is so obvious, even a OSAS can see it. There must be deeds of righteousness to be fruits of righteousness!


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But there must be savlation. Or any deed whether righteous or not. Is dead.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

But you said yourself that we will be judged on our deeds,

A believer will be judged, and recieve reward. (although they may just recieve ashes)

so therefore salvation does require good deeds and the repentance of bad deeds.

Salvation is repentance. and being saved from the penalty of sin, by Grace through faith (eph 2: 8-9)

Those who are saved WILL (not might) do Good works (eph 2: 10)

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Your right. I've never understood the "saved by faith alone" concept, given that we will be judged by our deeds.

Salvation is a gift. Not a reward.

so if salvation is based on you beling judged by your deeds. then salvation is a reward not a gift.

Its not really that hard to understand

To me the concept implies that no matter if your an unrepentant sinner you will still be saved if you have faith. It gives people a license to be sinners and not repent.

An unrepentant sinner never trusted God. so he was never saved.. so I am confused why you would think I believe any different

For me faith and deeds go hand in hand. It appears we need both to be saved.
Would you agree?

No

I need Grace to be saved, But God will not force me to take his grace. so I have been saved by Grace through faith (free will choice) Eph 2: 809)

I am now a new creature. I will do Good works.. (not might)

Answer me this
I have faith, I do good deeds and I ask for forgiveness for my bad deeds.
Will I be saved in your opinion?

Are you trusting in your good deeds to be the cause of your salvation or are you trusting in the promises of God to save you?

thats the question everyone must ask

 

[Eternally Grateful]

They confuse milk for the meat.

MILK: John 3:16 whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

MEAT:

1 John 1:8-10 ​

8 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. ​

9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. ​

10 If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us.​

​

John 15:4 Abide in Me, and I in you.​

Matthew 12: 50 For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”​

​

Matthew 24:13 But the one who perseveres to the end will be saved.​

Milk glosses over that true belief is not lip serve. Believing is not a license to sin with impunity. Meat is action required on our part to meet the conditional IF, stated repeatedly in Scripture explicitly and implicitly.

There is such a denial that it doesn't depend on us so no man may brag, they consider grabbing hold of the life preserver Jesus throws to us in the stormy sea constitutes a valid claim that we saved ourselves. Such nonsense.

No

the milk saves.. The meat causes us to grow.

 

[faithhopecharity]

You have not corrected the contradiction. You have only hidden works behind the word “grace.” You say justification is free, but only “initial,” then claim it must be preserved through obedience and can be lost through sin. Scripture never teaches temporary justification or justification maintained by good works.

Paul says, “Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God” ~Romans 5:1. He also says, “Being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him” ~Romans 5:9. The believer’s standing rests upon Christ’s blood, not upon whether he performs enough grace-enabled works afterward.

Galatians 5:4 does not teach that believers lose grace by committing a so-called “deadly sin.” Paul identifies those who have fallen from grace: “Whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.” The warning is against seeking justification through works, which is exactly where your argument leads.

Romans 2:7 does not prove that eternal life is earned by patient continuance in good works. Paul’s conclusion is that no one meets God’s righteous standard: “By the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight” ~Romans 3:20. That is why sinners must be “justified freely by his grace” ~Romans 3:24.

You say believers do not have eternal salvation, but Jesus says, “He that believeth on me hath everlasting life” ~John 6:47. He also says the believer “hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation” ~John 5:24, and, “I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish” ~John 10:28.

Good works are the evidence of salvation, not the means of preserving justification. Calling works “grace-enabled” does not make them part of the gospel, because Paul says, “If by grace, then is it no more of works” ~Romans 11:6. Christ does not begin salvation and wait for man to finish it. “He is able also to save them to the uttermost” ~Hebrews 7:25.

perseverance not automatic: watch and pray not to enter into temptation. mt 26:41

depart from me cos you have not faith alone?

Luke 13:27
But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.

suffer not faith alone

phil 1:29
For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

Lk 14:27
And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.

rom 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.


patience is a work but its everywhere in the new testament


Luke 21:19
In your patience possess ye your souls.

Luke 8:15
But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience.

Romans 5:3-5

3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;

4 And patience, experience; and experience, hope:

5 and hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

Colossians 1:11
Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness;

1 Thessalonians 1:3
Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father;

2 Thessalonians 1:4
So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure:

1 Timothy 6:11
But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.

2 Timothy 3:10
But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,

Titus 2:2
That the aged men be sober, grave, temperate, sound in faith, in charity, in patience.

Hebrews 6:12
That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.

Hebrews 10:36
For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done they will of God, ye might receive the promise.

James 1:3
Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience.

James 1:4
But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.

James 5:10
Take, my brethren, the prophets, who have spoken in the name of the Lord, for an example of suffering affliction, and of patience.

2 Peter 1:6
And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;

Revelation 14:12
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. (rev 12:17)
thks

 

[faithhopecharity]

You have not corrected the contradiction. You have only hidden works behind the word “grace.” You say justification is free, but only “initial,” then claim it must be preserved through obedience and can be lost through sin. Scripture never teaches temporary justification or justification maintained by good works.

Paul says, “Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God” ~Romans 5:1. He also says, “Being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him” ~Romans 5:9. The believer’s standing rests upon Christ’s blood, not upon whether he performs enough grace-enabled works afterward.

Galatians 5:4 does not teach that believers lose grace by committing a so-called “deadly sin.” Paul identifies those who have fallen from grace: “Whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.” The warning is against seeking justification through works, which is exactly where your argument leads.

Romans 2:7 does not prove that eternal life is earned by patient continuance in good works. Paul’s conclusion is that no one meets God’s righteous standard: “By the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight” ~Romans 3:20. That is why sinners must be “justified freely by his grace” ~Romans 3:24.

You say believers do not have eternal salvation, but Jesus says, “He that believeth on me hath everlasting life” ~John 6:47. He also says the believer “hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation” ~John 5:24, and, “I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish” ~John 10:28.

Good works are the evidence of salvation, not the means of preserving justification. Calling works “grace-enabled” does not make them part of the gospel, because Paul says, “If by grace, then is it no more of works” ~Romans 11:6. Christ does not begin salvation and wait for man to finish it. “He is able also to save them to the uttermost” ~Hebrews 7:25.

are christians required to practice the virtues of Jesus Christ or faith alone?

1 cor 13:13 three things are eternal faith, hope, & charity

mt 11:29
Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

thks

 

[Wrangler]

If God removed free will. He is the creator of evil, We can blame God for all the evil in the world.

He says he is. Didn’t you ever read Isaiah 45:7?

 

[Wrangler]

so if salvation is based on you beling judged by your deeds. then salvation is a reward not a gift.

Is salvation gifted to unbelievers?

It's so funny how you keep ignoring Scripture and the logical end of your claims.

 

[faithhopecharity]

Eternal life in the Bible means that marvellous never-ending life that Jesus grants to all who believe in Him.

Eternal salvation, I would say, is closely linked to eternal life. Jesus saves sinners, and that salvation is eternal, as we are told in Hebrews:

(Heb 5:9) And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him,

It is those who have been saved by Jesus Christ that are given eternal life by Him.

same term has different meaning!

"eternal life"

((eternal life refers to grace))

Jn 1:16
And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.

Jn 10:10
The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

Jn 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

1 Jn 2:25
And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.

1 Jn 5:13
These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

1 Jn 5:20
And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.


((eternal life refers to eternal salvation))

mt 7:14
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

mk 10:30
But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.


((promise of eternal salvation))

mk 13:13
He who endures to the end shall be saved.

mt 10:22
He who endures to the end shall be saved.

mt 24:13
He who endures to the end shall be saved.

titus 1:2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

James 1:12
Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.

Titus 1:2
In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

1 Jn 2:25
And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.

rev 2:10
Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.


((union))

Ps 23:4 Thou art with me...
Isa 53:3 by His stripes (wounds) we are healed.
Jn 1:16 life of grace
Jn 10:10 life of grace
Jn 14:6 life of grace
Jn 15:1-5 abide in me...

1 Jn 1:6-7

6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

1 Jn 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.


((refers to a state of grace))

Jn 15:1-5 abide in Christ
1 cor 13:2 grace
1 cor 15:1
2 cor 9:14


((grace))

grace is life of God that Christ shares with us!

2 pet 1:2-4

2 Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,

3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:

4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

1 John 4:8
He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

1 cor 13:1-2

1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.

Hebrews 12:29
For our God is a consuming fire.

rom 5:5
And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

1 John 5:11
And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

Grace is Christ sharing His divine life with us!


((Abundance of grace))

Jn 10:10
rom 5:17
rom 1:7
1 cor 1:3
2 cor 1:2
gal 1:3
eph 1:2
phil 1:2
col 1:2
1 thes 1:1
2 thes 1:2
1 tim 1:2
1 tim 1:14
2 tim 1:2
titus 1:1
philemon 1:3
1 pet 1:2
2 pet 1:2
2 Jn 3


((grace bears fruit))
Lk 3:9
Jn 15:1-5
col 1:6


((Grow in grace))

2 pet 3:18 we must grow in grace

((can lose grace))

Eph 5:2-6
gal 5:1-4
gal 5:19-21
gal 6:7-8
1 cor 6:9-10 & 15-20
2 cor 4:7
1 tim 5:12
rev 21:8
rev 21:27
rom 8:1
1 cor 15:10 can have grace in vain
2 cor 4:7 treasure (grace) in earthen vessels


((grace questions))

can we have eternal salvation and eternal salvation more abundantly?

Jn 10:10

Can we have eternal salvation that leads to eternal salvation?

Mt 7:14

Why are we promised eternal salvation if we possess eternal salvation?

Mk 10:30

Why have hope of eternal salvation if we possess eternal salvation?

Matthew 25:46

Romans 2:7

titus 1:2

thks

 

[Eternally Grateful]

He says he is. Didn’t you ever read Isaiah 45:7?

did he create evil. Or did he create the possibility of evil by giving man free will?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Is salvation gifted to unbelievers?

It's so funny how you keep ignoring Scripture and the logical end of your claims.

is salvation a gift?

Romans 5:17
For if by the one man’s offense death reigned through the one, much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.)

Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Ephesians 2:8
For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,

So who is really ignoring scripture my friend?