Forgiving others

[Taken]

Good works, or deeds as I prefer to call it, is also required in my opinion. James says that faith without deeds is dead. The bible repeatedly says we will be judged on our deeds.

One “good works” a man (can choose to do) Before Salvation…
Is to Believe ( or not).

Other “good works” A man (can choose to do) Before Salvation IS:
Confess his belief (to the Lord) ( or not).
Be charitable.
Lend a helping hand to others.
Be a peace-maker.
Provide work opportunities for others.
Etc.

After Salvation (given)…
Men can start, continue, or not DO “good Works”

Doesn’t matter… Having Salvation (or NOT), every man… Per Judgement, shall be given “rewards for their “good works”.

Who shall “receive the Greatest “Rewards”?
1) The Saved man—-Gift of “Salvation”
2) The Saved man, WHO Gave God the “credit” for the mans ability TO DO “good works”—- Greatest “Rewards”

examples of “Greatest rewards”…
Crowns, bejeweled crowns, high position appointments ( in Gods kingdom ), high recognition, ( names engraved on stone for others to See ), etc.

Point… no one is Require to DO “good works”…
However… men who Do Good Works (receive rewards)… nothing to do with receiving Gift of Salvation.

And “works” ( of anyone )… that are “not good”…. Those works are burned.

Rewards for works, every man…
Jer. 32:19
Pss. 62:12
Matt. 16:27
Rom. 2:6
Rev. 2:6

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Armour of God]

You fully do not yet understand

I suppose I don't understand what your trying to teach.
I thought we were in agreement when you said that salvation occurs after death.
Seems not.

 

[Taken]

I suppose I don't understand what your trying to teach.
I thought we were in agreement when you said that salvation occurs after death.
Seems not.

Salvation IS Given After Bodily Death…

Is Mortal Death…a Dead body?
Is Crucifixion Death…a Dead body?

Was your body crucified with Jesus' Body?

 

[Armour of God]

Salvation IS Given After Bodily Death…

Ok I agree

Is Mortal Death…a Dead body?

Yes

Is Crucifixion Death…a Dead body?

Yes

Was your body crucified with Jesus' Body?

No

So then why do you already claim to be saved if your body is not dead?

 

[quietthinker]

What do you think was freely Given?

love, forgiveness and LIFE

 

[Taken]

Ok I agree

Yes

Yes

No

So then why do you already claim to be saved if your body is not dead?

Because…
Mortally NO, my body has NOT died.

Spiritually YES, my body Died, was crucified WITH Jesus’ Body.

Humans Begin, ARE mortal.
It has…life…Body Blood
It has…life…Gods Breath in a Soul, that IS Gods.
It has…life…A natural spirit, TRUTH, in its heart.

The ultimate Desire of God, WHO IS SPIRIT,
IS for Humans TO have a personal One on One “Spiritual” Relationship, WITH the Spiritual God.

Every human, can at any Point in his Natural Life, desire, decide, pick, freely choose to have A one on one Personal Spiritual Relationship With God…OR NOT.

Mortal man IS visible…
Mortal mans Natural Spirit/ Truth in his heart is invisible.

God is invisible…
Gods Spirit is invisible…
Gods Seven Spirits (He gives to humans is Invisible…
Gods Soul God gives into a man is invisible…
Gods Seed God gives into a man is invisible..
One of Gods (7 spirits) God gives to a man is invisible.
God Spirit that DWELLS “WITH” Some men is invisible…
Gods Spirit that DWELLS “IN” Some men is invisible…

( note… out of Gods Seven Spirits:
Are literal… He gives one or two “TO” men..
Gods Spirit, which IS God, He “Gives to no one…”
His Spirit that is His… Can be “WITH” men… or can Be “WITHIN” men…
But such never Becomes the mans… It is Still Gods Spirit.)

Point…
Because God… IS Spirit… His Spirit, His Essence, will only Ever Be “With or With-IN” a man…Never Given to be the mans “possession”.

God “Seed”, is another “thing”, He Does Give to men, for the “Express purpose”… TO re-birth a mans “own “Natural spirit” ( which IS a mans “Natural truth IN his heart”…)
To rebirth, TO Gods “Spiritual Truth”.

It is Appointed to mans Body to DIE “Once”.
For 4,000 years, Every man Desiring to be SAVED, and WITH God Eternally, HAD ONE Option, One Testament, One Covenant…
“Believe in your heart until your mortal Death, and Then God Shall Save your Soul, Give you a reborn spirit, and Raise up your body, Glorified (anew, without sin).”

For the Past 2,000+ years…
An Example, was Sent down from Heaven, IN a body God PREPARED, in the LIKENESS “AS” a man…
That Human men… Could SEE, HEAR, TOUCH.

He Came With a Body, Soul, Spirit, Name, Titles, Descriptions…
And…WAY…
A New Better Testament and Covenant / Promises. (Heb 7:22)

The New Better Testament…
Inanutshell… No longer “Requires” a physical Mortal Death of a human man… Before a man Can Receive his bought, paid for, Offered Gift of Salvation!

A man CAN (or Not), freely choose to TAKE, Receive, Have, Possess, Gods Offered Gift of Salvation… Once and Forever.

The Example… CHRIST the Lord Jesus, Explicitly Taught human men, HOW… the WAY … to accomplish Taking AND Receiving that Offered Gift ONCE and Forever…
Before a mans Mortal Flesh Death.

Because God IS Spirit… the HOW, WAY, Taking, Receiving, Possessing… (for a man) IS ALL Spiritual… (invisible) to a humans Eye to See.

Yes… A man Freely Choosing to Accept Gods OFFERING… the How, the Way… is Precisely a man Freely laying down his Bodily Life, unto Death… spiritually Crucified WITH JESUS.

Their bodily Death… IS Spiritually ACCOUNTED… having Fulfilled their ONE “appointed, required Bodily Death”…
Thus… are Prepared to “THEN”, at that Time… Once and Forever, Receive, their Offered, Taken, Received, Gift of Salvation…

Bodily Forgiven sin for having HAD not believed
Saved Soul
Spirit born again spirit
Gods spirit of Truth dwelling With & in them
They Dwelling IN Jesus’ risen Body
They Prepared to DO works that Glorify God before other men!

No matter the day, their Natural mortal body dies…
Their soul
Their spirit
Their “body” has ALL been:
Cleansed, Set Apart (ie Sanctified), Justified,
recorded, (written in Gods Books) (Prepared, Sealed, Marked,) that ONLY the Lord God Almighty… can (invisibly) Claim, Redeem, Resurrect, Take, Raise up, Them… wholly, body, soul, spirit.

I am Saved…Because I TOOK The Lords Offering…which included my Willingness to Be Crucified WITH JESUS… and Have Received His Offered Gift.

Gal 2:
[20] I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Hope that helps,
God bless you.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

love, forgiveness and LIFE

Thanks.

I would say:
Love
Jesus’ … Body

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[amigo de christo]

One “good works” a man (can choose to do) Before Salvation…
Is to Believe ( or not).

Other “good works” A man (can choose to do) Before Salvation IS:
Confess his belief (to the Lord) ( or not).
Be charitable.
Lend a helping hand to others.
Be a peace-maker.
Provide work opportunities for others.
Etc.

After Salvation (given)…
Men can start, continue, or not DO “good Works”

Doesn’t matter… Having Salvation (or NOT), every man… Per Judgement, shall be given “rewards for their “good works”.

Who shall “receive the Greatest “Rewards”?
1) The Saved man—-Gift of “Salvation”
2) The Saved man, WHO Gave God the “credit” for the mans ability TO DO “good works”—- Greatest “Rewards”

examples of “Greatest rewards”…
Crowns, bejeweled crowns, high position appointments ( in Gods kingdom ), high recognition, ( names engraved on stone for others to See ), etc.

Point… no one is Require to DO “good works”…
However… men who Do Good Works (receive rewards)… nothing to do with receiving Gift of Salvation.

And “works” ( of anyone )… that are “not good”…. Those works are burned.

Rewards for works, every man…
Jer. 32:19
Pss. 62:12
Matt. 16:27
Rom. 2:6
Rev. 2:6

Glory to God,
Taken

according to GOD , to CHRIST
no human being wants to be s tanding before HIM as an unbeleiver .
Time to keep it real . False love will save none and broad roads dont lead to GOD .
Preach JESUS and the absolute dire need to beleive on HIM .
This might seem strange to the Trumpet camp , but having faith in TRUMP aint gonna save the muslim or anyone else .
NOW ITS JESUS preaching time okay .

 

[Taken]

according to GOD , to CHRIST
no human being wants to be s tanding before HIM as an unbeleiver .
Time to keep it real . False love will save none and broad roads dont lead to GOD .
Preach JESUS and the absolute dire need to beleive on HIM .
This might seem strange to the Trumpet camp , but having faith in TRUMP aint gonna save the muslim or anyone else .
NOW ITS JESUS preaching time okay .

Oh good grief…
Stop gaslighting, no one is “worshiping” or putting their “faith” in Trump.

 

[Anchorite]

Salvation is not finalized or verified at death.

We are to know right now, before our death, that we have eternal life.

So we can currently rejoice and thank God that we have a home in heaven.

No need to wonder or worry about it.

I John 5:13

These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

 

[Taken]

I think that your fate is sealed either at death or when Jesus comes to gather us together.. the 10 virgins fate was when Jesus showed up and they wernt ready, Ive heard osas'ers say the unwise virgins are unbelievers but thats not right, since Jesus is coming as the bridegroom to pick up His virgins bride only a believer would be considered a virgin.. they are just unwise when they believe Hes coming but does not show they fall away and stop doing Gods will....

He who came, humbled without power, was the Son of man… Visible.
For All (men to See )
He Returns visible…
…with power,
…with saints (His Saved) invisible to men,
…with His Angels, invisible to men.

Jesus’ Saved, meet Jesus In the clouds…
And return WITH Him.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[quietthinker]

according to GOD , to CHRIST
no human being wants to be s tanding before HIM as an unbeleiver .
Time to keep it real . False love will save none and broad roads dont lead to GOD .
Preach JESUS and the absolute dire need to beleive on HIM .
This might seem strange to the Trumpet camp , but having faith in TRUMP aint gonna save the muslim or anyone else .
NOW ITS JESUS preaching time okay .

You repeatedly use his name but I never hear you preach him. How is that?

 

[amigo de christo]

You repeatedly use his name but I never hear you preach him. How is that?

You have heard me . Its just many choose to follow a jesus of the chosen or inclusive sensual love .
I have a great idea . How about we all return to the scriptures . Lets enjoy the gospels
and acts , ev ery letter of the apostles and so on .
It will not take long for one who does t his to realize , My oh my this church age
is following and in love with a sensual of the world jesus . Now if you find that hard to grasp
or even beleive , THEN please refer to The lets get back into the bible for ourselves part and do so .
You would be amazed at how things get clearer and cleared up , IF ONLY ......................

 

[Hillsage]

JOH 17:3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.

Thank you "my Lord and my God" that I have known you since 1972, when my spirit was born again and eternally saved.

JAM 5:19 My brethren, if any one among you wanders from the truth and some one brings him back,
:20 let him know that whoever brings back a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins.

Thank you my "Brethren...when I wandered from the truth" ...to become a backslid-en "soul", that you ministered in restorative "love" bringing me from "death" to life again.

1PE 4:8 Above all hold unfailing your love for one another, since love covers a multitude of sins.

Amen

 

[WHO ME]

Salvation is not finalized or verified at death.

We are to know right now, before our death, that we have eternal life.

So we can currently rejoice and thank God that we have a home in heaven.

No need to wonder or worry about it.

I John 5:13

These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

Grace thru (your) faith and you are saved.
But as soon as that is done we start our walk and do works...
Faith without works is dead (faith). so james says

The alive faith that saved you thru grace has now become dead without works....

Pretty simple really if you the believer dont have works your faith becomes Dead..

 

[WHO ME]

Anchorite

What becomes dead without works?

How many faiths do you have?

So if you dont have works what happens?


James 2:26) And FAITH without works is DEAD the same way the BODY without the SPIRIT is DEAD

2:20 But wilt thou know OH VAIN MAN, that FAITH without works is DEAD

2:14 what does it profit thou a man who says he has FAITH but No Works? CAN FAITH SAVE HIM? (Thats you osas guys)

2:24 you see how THAT BY WORKS a man is JUSTIFIED AND NOT BY FAITH ALONE

Faith becomes DEAD without works
how can you not understand?

 

[WHO ME]

Grace thru faith and you are saved has no works..... but then as soon as you are saved you start a life or walk with God and start doing works or Gods will.... and if you dont do or have works YOUR FAITH BECOMES DEAD..... it took a LIVE FAITH to save you but that live faith WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD

how is it you dont understand OH VAIN MAN FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD

 

[WHO ME]

So lets say a believer whose saved by Gods grace thru the believers faith has no works and his faith becomes dead...

Is he still good to go with God?