Christian Nationalism

[Gray_Joy]

Nope, I am only reading your posts and others here. I already stated, in this thread, I have no idea what "Christian" is supposed to mean, let alone Christian nationalism.

You identify as Christian? And don't know what it means?

And after these many posts,of which is included the definition of Nationalism,you say you don't know what that means either?

 

[Ziggy]

It started as a slang that we chose to wear as a badge of honor.

 

[Bombastic]

It started as a slang that we chose to wear as a badge of honor.

Yes, it was meant to be derogatory. Antioch had a behavioral history of such. Think of Trump, as humorous as it is, calling out "Sleepy Joe Biden, or Pocahontas Elizabeth Warren." For example, associating Sleepy with the American dream or awakening to the power of the DNC. We've already seen how the LGBT+ has done so with the rainbow.
Imagine if the DNC ran with it for PR and made something noble and puffed it up in pride as a badge of honor in arrogance.

 

[Wrangler]

That is not what I said. And though I agree, I also disagree w/ the modern notion.
But strawman was noted.

I noticed a common rebuke to the idea thar ANY nation is a Christian Nation is that it must be a theocracy. Not sure where that comes from? Take a look at some flags. If they had a crescent moon, it would be accepted as proof they come from Islamic countries. But a cross? No way is that given one little credit for being influenced by Christianity!

ENGLAND



BRITAIN




SWITZERLAND


SWEDEN

 

[Bombastic]

I noticed a common rebuke to the idea thar ANY nation is a Christian Nation is that it must be a theocracy. Not sure where that comes from? Take a look at some flags. If they had a crescent moon, it would be accepted as proof they come from Islamic countries. But a cross? No way is that given one little credit for being influenced by Christianity!

That's not what I said, but I've lived long enough to observe those that want America to become a theocracy. I look forward to the day of true theocracy, if not on this earth, then as it is in heaven. And the earth will never look like heaven, a place, as long as sin exists.
This nation has never seen anybody from the "far" or "extreme" right. " Trump is a moderate in comparison, but most have no idea what that would look like in contrast.
And influenced, @Wrangler yes I agree. That is a good thing so long as institutions like the Roman Catholic Church aren't the sole authority (argumentum ad verecundiam). The best authority is the author and finisher of our faith, G-d as conveyed through His word by the inspired Scripture.
Keep in mind those popish figures, @Wrangler, the "Vicar of Christ." The definition has changed throughout time, but the Vicar of Christ is the earthly and human image and representation of Christ, and speaking ex cathedra, he is considered infallible, the ultimate authority.
And if so, I ask, why doesn't he settle every dispute? And why are there over 20+ rites in Catholicism? Needlessly said, that's a door no Protestant wants to ever see opened again. Keep in mind early Reformers flat-out declared the pope that man of lawlessness and the papists the offices of the anti-christ(s.)

 

[Gray_Joy]

Yes, it was meant to be derogatory. Antioch had a behavioral history of such. Think of Trump, as humorous as it is, calling out "Sleepy Joe Biden, or Pocahontas Elizabeth Warren." For example, associating Sleepy with the American dream or awakening to the power of the DNC. We've already seen how the LGBT+ has done so with the rainbow.
Imagine if the DNC ran with it for PR and made something noble and puffed it up in pride as a badge of honor in arrogance.

You're rambling.

Your screed has no affiliation to the origin or the term,Christianity.

Your closing remark however speaks poorly of you.
Especially given your choice of pseudonym.

 

[TLHKAJ]

Something I think strong pacifists and others opposed to Christian Nationalism have failed to realize is,when God brings his kingdom to Earth, that's precisely the governance that shall exist here.

Yes ....under Christ's rule. And yet, there will be some who rebel even under a perfect rulership. We are not instructed to attempt this in the flesh under the worldly systems that are in place. It won't be Christian at all, except in name.

 

[Gray_Joy]

Yes ....under Christ's rule. And yet, there will be some who rebel even under a perfect rulership. We are not instructed to attempt this in the flesh under the worldly systems that are in place. It won't be Christian at all, except in name.

The permeant eternal reign of Christ on Earth will not suffer sin or rebellion ever. Peace on Earth.

 

[TLHKAJ]

The permeant eternal reign of Christ on Earth will not suffer sin or rebellion ever. Peace on Earth.

Agreed ...as at that point, only believers will be on earth ...those who have overcome. We aren't there yet.

 

[Lizbeth]

I admit, I made some young men afraid when they threatened harm to my daughters. I have stood up to grown men when it came to my children. But when it came down to those young men, I did pray for them because God only knows what led them to threaten such evil actions against my daughters.

Sister, I don't want to judge your individual situation there, especially when I don't know all the particulars. And I wouldn't condemn you anyhow. I may stand to be corrected, but don't think at the moment that it would be wrong in itself to make evil-intentioned people afraid of you in such a circumstance as you described ....God might have been in it to make them afraid, for all we know. (That is biblical.) I don't even believe it would be wrong to shoot a gun over their heads to frighten them off if you had to.....using a weapon as a deterrent. Just that we don't want to sin in whatever it is we do. (Wise as serpents, but harmless as doves is the principle I believe in.)

I'm only trying to put forth what I believe the church should be teaching/preaching and encouraging our faith in. And I don't believe we should be teaching/preaching that we are to take up arms and kill people, and to put our faith in the arm of flesh, politics and military might as I believe you agree. God's word, Jesus' teachings and the apostles, is the plumbline the church should be aiming for, not set the bar at whatever level we might be in our personal faith under a particular trial. Faith is a learning and growing thing and we all may be in a different place and it might vary depending on specific circumstances.......we want to aim for the goal, not set the bar short of it.

 

[Gray_Joy]

I admit, I made some young men afraid when they threatened harm to my daughters. I have stood up to grown men when it came to my children. But when it came down to those young men, I did pray for them because God only knows what led them to threaten such evil actions against my daughters.

I bet those young "men" took you seriously and stopped their threats against your children,didn't they,?
And you would have protected your daughters from them if necessary ,should they not have listened to your warnings?

 

[Lizbeth]

And sometimes only lethal force will stop evil. See God’s Judgment in the Lake of Fire.

I think we should pray for faith to trust God enough to believe that if He determines anyone is to die, He is able to see that it is done without involving His HOLY people in the deed. He IS able, that I know....whether I would personally have faith and grace to trust Him in any and every particular trial, I don't know. But I do know that I OUGHT TO. In areas of the world where Christians are under serious persecution, they often ask westerners to pray not that the persecution stops, but that their faith will not fail. Are we there yet? We should at least know what the goal is that we are aiming for.

 

[Ziggy]

Yes, it was meant to be derogatory. Antioch had a behavioral history of such. Think of Trump, as humorous as it is, calling out "Sleepy Joe Biden, or Pocahontas Elizabeth Warren." For example, associating Sleepy with the American dream or awakening to the power of the DNC. We've already seen how the LGBT+ has done so with the rainbow.
Imagine if the DNC ran with it for PR and made something noble and puffed it up in pride as a badge of honor in arrogance.

I have my own ideas concerning the Bow that God set in the clouds,
but that's for another topic.
Hugs

 

[Gray_Joy]

I think we should pray for faith to trust God enough to believe that if He determines anyone is to die, He is able to see that it is done without involving His HOLY people in the deed.

He enlisted his holy people in many deeds of war and slaughter in the Old Testament.

And he foretells of the violence he will allow in future if we read his book of Revelation.

He IS able, that I know....whether I would personally have faith and grace to trust Him in any and every particular trial, I don't know. But I do know that I OUGHT TO. In areas of the world where Christians are under serious persecution, they often ask westerners to pray not that the persecution stops, but that their faith will not fail. Are we there yet? We should at least know what the goal is that we are aiming for.

 

[Justified]

So you think that loving the people that make up a nation that live in a particular country is idolatry?

Is that really what you think nationalism is? Perhaps you should study things more before supporting them:

https://heidelblog.net/2026/06/these-are-not-illinois-nazis/

So we should hate everybody and only love Christ? That's not what He said.

How did you come to that conclusion based on what I said? To love Christ is to love everyone, which nationalism is opposed to, by definition.

 

[Wrangler]

I think we should pray for faith to trust God enough to believe that if He determines anyone is to die, He is able to see that it is done without involving His HOLY people in the deed.

That goes against the Bible and history. God’s people have killed from the beginning.

 

[Justified]

Racism is not of Christ. Your mockery has just unmasked your efforts at pretending.

Of course racism is not of Christ. That is precisely my point. But Christian nationalism is only concerned of a particular type of “Christianity” that supports white males. You don’t seem to know much about what they believe.

 

[Justified]

That goes against the Bible and history. God’s people have killed from the beginning.

Again, a perverse, wicked twisting of scripture. Stop taking things out of context and learn how to properly interpret scripture. It just might save you one day if you do.

 

[Lizbeth]

Then stand by when you and your family happily choose not to resist an evil person. Turn your other cheeks as they beat you,rape you,kill you.

Please don't think every Christian must surrender in the same way their God given life to the evil of Satans directed offenders.

I can't help but think the Lord must see it as an evil thing to try and tear down someone's faith.

He gives grace when it is needed, not before it is needed, or "just in case" it will be needed........so it's no use trying to frighten me with hypotheticals.

 

[Gray_Joy]

As most of us may know,there are varying definitions of Nationalism.

So called pure Nationalism,that without a racist or religious bent, is defined as:

Recall also,a Christian Nationalism would identify first with the verse from Jesus in Galatians.
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.


Via Google AI
"Pure nationalism prioritizes the nation-state above all else, asserting that political boundaries must align perfectly with cultural identity. It treats the nation as the ultimate source of political loyalty and collective meaning.

Cultural Homogeneity

• Shared Identity: Citizens must be bound together by a unified culture, common history, shared language, and collective traditions.
• Assimilation: Outsiders and minority groups are expected to fully adapt to the dominant cultural identity to maintain national unity. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

Primacy of the State

• Collective Over Individual: The survival, security, and prosperity of the nation take priority over individual freedoms or global concerns.
• Civic Loyalty: A citizen's primary duty, allegiance, and devotion belong strictly to their home country. [1, 2, 3]

Defined Borders and Exclusion

• Territorial Integrity: Strict control over geographic borders is vital to protect the nation's economic, cultural, and political stability.
• Us Versus Them: A clear distinction is drawn between members of the nation ("the people") and non-members ("foreigners"). [1, 2, 3, 4]