A Biblical Lesson on Spiritual Discernment

[Truth7t7]

When people lie, as you did, I call them liars. It's too bad that you think it's okay to lie. You should repent of your lies instead of whining about me calling it out.

It's your opinion that posters lie and many times your wrong, for you to outright call posters liars is beyond Christian conversation, etiquette, and forum rules and your words and wording go far beyond the words lie/liar

Questions:
1.) Do you believe any biblical event or prophecy was fulfilled in 70AD Jerusalem and its destruction by Roman armies?

Questions:
1.) When did or will Daniel's AOD take place Matthew 24:15?

2.) When did or will the great tribulation start Matthew 24:21?

 

[rwb]

First, the prophecy mentions Messiah the prince in verse 25, and then it mentions the Messiah (not Messiah the prince this time in verse 26 followed by the prince who was to come.

After saying Messiah, the Prince in vs 25, vs 26 says Messiah shall be cut off, then he writes of the prince that shall come. What prince is Messiah if not Messiah the Prince of vs 25? Do you believe Messiah, the Prince and Messiah cut off are not the same Messiah?

Daniel 9:26 (KJV) And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

 

[Truth7t7]

No I don’t. The second coming only happens once and it happened at the resurrection.

Thanks for your honesty, your belief is being that of a (Full Preterist) as you deny the future literal, visible, second coming of Jesus in the heavens, you belief is outside the forums statement of faith that clearly recognizes a future literal second coming of Jesus Christ that you apparently deny

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

How did Titus in 70 AD destroy the city and temple with a flood? That was a literal, physical war that did not destroy the city and sanctuary with a flood of water, which if physical destruction were in view it would have been.

It's referring to the physical destruction of Jerusalem and the temple and figuratively describing it as being with a flood because of how the Roman armies would go into the entire city and overwhelm it and destroy it. It was figuratively like a wave of soldiers coming in and flooding the city and destroying it. There's a mix of literal and figurative text being used there.

Look at how the word flood is used here...

Daniel 11:20 “There shall arise in his place one who imposes taxes on the glorious kingdom; but within a few days he shall be destroyed, but not in anger or in battle. 21 And in his place shall arise a vile person, to whom they will not give the honor of royalty; but he shall come in peaceably, and seize the kingdom by intrigue. 22 With the force of a flood they shall be swept away from before him and be broken, and also the prince of the covenant.

This is talking about people literally being physically destroyed by the vile person's army, but it's figuratively describing it as being "with the force of a flood". It's obviously not talking about a flood of water, but rather a flood of the vile person's army going in and destroying them with them being "swept away". Not literally swept way in a literal flood, though. It's figurative text that describes an event of physical destruction.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

After saying Messiah, the Prince in vs 25, vs 26 says Messiah shall be cut off, then he writes of the prince that shall come. What prince is Messiah if not Messiah the Prince of vs 25? Do you believe Messiah, the Prince and Messiah cut off are not the same Messiah?

Daniel 9:26 (KJV) And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

I've already told you I don't know how many times that I agree with your understanding of the passage in terms of who all of those references are talking about and you're still asking me this? I interpreting the references to Messiah the prince in verse 25 as well as the references to the Messiah and the prince that shall come in verse 26 as all referring to the same person, which we know, of course, turned out to be Jesus.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

It's your opinion that posters lie

It's not my opinion. When someone keeps claiming that I'm a preterist even after being told many times that I'm not, then that person is lying about me. You have been told many times that a preterist is someone who believes that all or most of the Olivet Discourse, the book of Revelation as well as other prophecies that refer to the future second coming of Christ were fulfilled in the past by 70 AD. That does not describe me. Not even close.

and many times your wrong, for you to outright call posters liars is beyond Christian conversation, etiquette, and forum rules and your words and wording go far beyond the words lie/liar

If someone lies about me, as you have done, that makes you a liar. So, just stop lying about me by calling me a preterist when there's no definition for the term "preterist" that fits what I believe. You even quoted something you found once that defines what a preterist believes and it matches what I've been telling you. It's not someone who only sees Matthew 24:15-21 as relating to what happened in 70 AD while believing that the rest of the Olivet Discourse relates to things that happen before and up to the future second coming of Christ, as I do. A preterist believes that Jesus came in judgment in 70 AD. I do not believe that.

 

[IndianaRob]

Carefully read the verse. It does not say the people of the prince that shall come "destroyed the city and the sanctuary." It speaks of people coming in the future shall when they come destroy the city and sanctuary. Apparently when they are destroyed by the people that shall come it shall be like an overflowing deluge, not of water but through spiritual apostasy that shall mean spiritually they will not recover but shall remain in spiritual apostasy to the end of the spiritual war with even greater desolations/devastations that have been determined/decreed/decided that shall come upon them.

Daniel 9:26 (KJV) And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.


How did Titus in 70 AD destroy the city and temple with a flood? That was a literal, physical war that did not destroy the city and sanctuary with a flood of water, which if physical destruction were in view it would have been.

Flood is a way of expressing a great rushing army in that verse. A modern day version of using flood that way would be“a flood of illegal immigrants”.

 

[rwb]

It's referring to the physical destruction of Jerusalem and the temple and figuratively describing it as being with a flood because of how the Roman armies would go into the entire city and overwhelm it and destroy it. It was figuratively like a wave of soldiers coming in and flooding the city and destroying it. There's a mix of literal and figurative text being used there.

Look at how the word flood is used here...

Daniel 11:20 “There shall arise in his place one who imposes taxes on the glorious kingdom; but within a few days he shall be destroyed, but not in anger or in battle. 21 And in his place shall arise a vile person, to whom they will not give the honor of royalty; but he shall come in peaceably, and seize the kingdom by intrigue. 22 With the force of a flood they shall be swept away from before him and be broken, and also the prince of the covenant.

This is talking about people literally being physically destroyed by the vile person's army, but it's figuratively describing it as being "with the force of a flood". It's obviously not talking about a flood of water, but rather a flood of the vile person's army going in and destroying them with them being "swept away". Not literally swept way in a literal flood, though. It's figurative text that describes an event of physical destruction.

Flood is a way of expressing a great rushing army in that verse. A modern day version of using flood that way would be“a flood of illegal immigrants”.

Neither of you are understanding what I'm saying. We know from Dan 9 that it is the people of the prince that shall come that destroy the city and sanctuary. That means they are Jews, because Messiah's (prince) people are the Jews. They did not literally destroy the city and temple but through great apostasy like a flood, they spiritually destroyed the city and temple just as the Jews living in the days of Daniel had done before them.

It's true a military force can come like a great flood, but who is the prophesy talking about, as "a vile person, to whom they will not give the honor of royalty; but he shall come in peaceably an seize the kingdom by intrigue. With the force of a flood they shall be swept away from before him and be broken, and also the prince of the covenant"? The Jews are not the military force here so flood would indicate physical flooding through military force and not spiritual flood as we understand the people in the days of Daniel had committed against God.

 

[IndianaRob]

Yes, that is exactly what I believe the Word of God shows us. How else if not through spirit could the life we receive when we have been born again be eternal life?

Nobody enters heaven without a heavenly body, that's why the Old Testament saints went to Abraham's bosom rather than straight to heaven. They didn't yet have the body that heaven requires.

But notice what Paul says in 2 Corinthians - "we have," not "we will have":

"For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens." (2 Corinthians 5:1)

Present tense, and eternal. That's the difference: we have now what they didn't have then, which is why heaven is open to us.

 

[IndianaRob]

Thanks for your honesty, your belief is being that of a (Full Preterist) as you deny the future literal, visible, second coming of Jesus in the heavens, you belief is outside the forums statement of faith that clearly recognizes a future literal second coming of Jesus Christ that you apparently deny

Jesus Is The Lord

I can’t go against the Bible just to fit in.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Neither of you are understanding what I'm saying. We know from Dan 9 that it is the people of the prince that shall come that destroy the city and sanctuary. That means they are Jews, because Messiah's (prince) people are the Jews. They did not literally destroy the city and temple but through great apostasy like a flood, they spiritually destroyed the city and temple just as the Jews living in the days of Daniel had done before them.

It's true a military force can come like a great flood, but who is the prophesy talking about, as "a vile person, to whom they will not give the honor of royalty; but he shall come in peaceably an seize the kingdom by intrigue. With the force of a flood they shall be swept away from before him and be broken, and also the prince of the covenant"? The Jews are not the military force here so flood would indicate physical flooding through military force and not spiritual flood as we understand the people in the days of Daniel had committed against God.

It is you who is not understanding what we're saying. You tried to say before that if it was talking about physical destruction of the city and the sanctuary that would mean that it would have to be talking about a literal flood of water. We showed you that's not the case and you still aren't getting it.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Nobody enters heaven without a heavenly body, that's why the Old Testament saints went to Abraham's bosom rather than straight to heaven. They didn't yet have the body that heaven requires.

But notice what Paul says in 2 Corinthians - "we have," not "we will have":

"For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens." (2 Corinthians 5:1)

Present tense, and eternal. That's the difference: we have now what they didn't have then, which is why heaven is open to us.

No one but Jesus has an immortal spiritual body. Paul made it very clear that we will all be changed (all believers) at the same time when the last trumpet sounds. Only then will we have immortal spiritual bodies and the last trumpet hasn't sounded yet. You are in serious error with your full preterist beliefs.

 

[rwb]

Nobody enters heaven without a heavenly body, that's why the Old Testament saints went to Abraham's bosom rather than straight to heaven. They didn't yet have the body that heaven requires.

But notice what Paul says in 2 Corinthians - "we have," not "we will have":

"For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens." (2 Corinthians 5:1)

Present tense, and eternal. That's the difference: we have now what they didn't have then, which is why heaven is open to us.

The Old Testament saints could not go to heaven before Christ literally came to make atonement for sin and defeat death. That's why the Old Covenant faithful saints were in the bosom of Abraham. They did not go to the same place of the dead as the rich man, who was merely dead and buried. They, like poor Lazarus were carried by the angels of God to the bosom of Abraham to wait for the promised Messiah to come and set the captives free.

The building Paul says we have from the moment we have been born again is not of this earth but is a city whose builder and maker is God, that is a heavenly home for He has prepared for us a city. Through Christ's Spirit in us, we have gone spiritually, not bodily into the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and an innumerable company of angels, to the general assembly and church of Christ (firstborn) as spirits of just men made perfect.

Hebrews 12:22-24 (KJV) But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

Hebrews 11:8-10 (KJV) By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went. By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise: For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.

Hebrews 11:16 (KJV) But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

When Christ died on the cross, after His resurrection the graves of these faithful saints were opened and as spiritual bodies came out of the grave and went with Christ into heaven, now after the cross when we die those who have been born again through the Spirit of Christ within ascend to heaven to be with Christ a spiritual body/living soul to wait there until this time for building the Kingdom of God in heaven is complete.

Matthew 27:52-53 (KJV) And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

Ephesians 4:8-10 (KJV) Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

In death we don't lose what we already possess, that is eternal life through spirit in the spiritual Kingdom of God in heaven, kept alive by the Spirit of Christ within us. That's why Paul writes that not even death shall separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. (Ro 8:35-39)

 

[IndianaRob]

No one but Jesus has an immortal spiritual body. Paul made it very clear that we will all be changed (all believers) at the same time when the last trumpet sounds. Only then will we have immortal spiritual bodies and the last trumpet hasn't sounded yet. You are in serious error with your full preterist beliefs.

2 Corinthians 5:1 — "For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens."

Look at how Paul ties the two together: the moment our earthly tabernacle is dissolved, we have the eternal house - present tense, right then. He doesn't say we'll wait for it or receive it at some later event. The earthly tent comes down and the heavenly building is already ours to take up.

How can it be read any other way?

 

[rwb]

No one but Jesus has an immortal spiritual body.

Immortality doesn't belong to spirit! Spirit doesn't need immortality it is ETERNAL! That's why the life we receive when we have been born again is eternal until we receive a physical body changed from mortal to immortal.

As God, Jesus is Spirit. When He was a man, His body was mortal until He was resurrected with immortal body of flesh and bone.

Luke 24:37-39 (KJV) But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit. And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts? Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

When Christ comes again, all who have been born again shall also have an immortal & incorruptible body as Jesus has. But until that day when our body of flesh and bone is changed, we are the spiritual body that Paul writes our body shall be when our physical flesh has died.

It is spiritual body that shall return with Christ, through which our mortal body will be made alive and changed to immortal & incorruptible body fit for everlasting life with Christ on the new earth.

1 Thessalonians 4:14 (KJV) For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

John 6:63 (KJV) It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

2 Corinthians 5:1 — "For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens."

Look at how Paul ties the two together: the moment our earthly tabernacle is dissolved, we have the eternal house - present tense, right then. He doesn't say we'll wait for it or receive it at some later event. The earthly tent comes down and the heavenly building is already ours to take up.

How can it be read any other way?

Are we playing scripture tag here? Why did you not address what I said? How can 1 Corinthians 15:42-54 be interpreted any other way except that we all will be changed to have incorruptible and immortal spiritual bodies at the same time when the last trumpet sounds? You can't just ignore what is indicated in that passage.

I believe 2 Corinthians 5:1-6 is talking about the incorruptible, immortal body that we will have when the last trumpet sounds at Christ's return, but we have to wait for that. In the meantime, when we physically die, we still go to be with the Lord. Our souls go to be with him in heaven, which is why John sees the souls of believers in heaven in the book of Revelation, and does not say he sees their spiritual bodies (Revelation 6:9-11, Revelation 20:4). The redemption of our bodies is something we are still waiting for, which will happen at the same time as the

Romans 8:20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope; 21 because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now. 23 Not only that, but we also who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body. 24 For we were saved in this hope, but hope that is seen is not hope; for why does one still hope for what he sees? 25 But if we hope for what we do not see, we eagerly wait for it with perseverance.

This indicates that the redemption our our bodies will occur when "the creation itself" is "delivered from the bondage of corruption". That will happen when Jesus returns in the future and ushering in the eternal new heavens and new earth where only righteousness will dwell (2 Peter 3:10-13). Your false full preterists beliefs deny this future hope that we have that will be fulfilled when Jesus returns at the last trumpet.

 

[IndianaRob]

The Old Testament saints could not go to heaven before Christ literally came to make atonement for sin and defeat death. That's why the Old Covenant faithful saints were in the bosom of Abraham. They did not go to the same place of the dead as the rich man, who was merely dead and buried. They, like poor Lazarus were carried by the angels of God to the bosom of Abraham to wait for the promised Messiah to come and set the captives free.

The building Paul says we have from the moment we have been born again is not of this earth but is a city whose builder and maker is God, that is a heavenly home for He has prepared for us a city. Through Christ's Spirit in us, we have gone spiritually, not bodily into the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and an innumerable company of angels, to the general assembly and church of Christ (firstborn) as spirits of just men made perfect.

Hebrews 12:22-24 (KJV) But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

Hebrews 11:8-10 (KJV) By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went. By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise: For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.

Hebrews 11:16 (KJV) But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

When Christ died on the cross, after His resurrection the graves of these faithful saints were opened and as spiritual bodies came out of the grave and went with Christ into heaven, now after the cross when we die those who have been born again through the Spirit of Christ within ascend to heaven to be with Christ a spiritual body/living soul to wait there until this time for building the Kingdom of God in heaven is complete.

Matthew 27:52-53 (KJV) And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

Ephesians 4:8-10 (KJV) Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

In death we don't lose what we already possess, that is eternal life through spirit in the spiritual Kingdom of God in heaven, kept alive by the Spirit of Christ within us. That's why Paul writes that not even death shall separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. (Ro 8:35-39)

I think we might be talking about two different things. My verse,2 Corinthians 5:1, is about the glorified body: Paul contrasts our earthly "tabernacle" with a "house not made with hands," and then talks about being "clothed" and not "found naked".

The heavenly Jerusalem in Hebrews 12 is a place, a city we come to. So I'm not sure entering the city, even spiritually, settles what kind of body we have. Or, maybe I’m misreading what you’re saying.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Immortality doesn't belong to spirit! Spirit doesn't need immortality it is ETERNAL!

We're talking about the body here. Don't change the subject.

That's why the life we receive when we have been born again is eternal until we receive a physical body changed from mortal to immortal.

No one but Jesus will have an immortal body until the last trumpet sounds at His return. In the meantime, when a believer dies, their soul and spirit goes to be with the Lord in heaven. Paul talked about being absent from the body in 2 Corinthians 5:6-8. Despite being absent from the body (not having a body) he still expected to be with the Lord after he died. No one but Jesus will have an incorruptible, immortal spiritual body until the last trumpet sounds when Jesus returns at which point we will all be changed to have incorruptible, immortal spiritual bodies (1 Corinthians 15:42-54). You don't even realize that you are agreeing wit ha full preterist about this whose full preterism is largely based on his belief that people already will have their immoral spiritual bodies upon death rather than all of us waiting for the redemption of our bodies to occur when Jesus returns at the last trumpet. Think about that.

As God, Jesus is Spirit. When He was a man, His body was mortal until He was resurrected with immortal body of flesh and bone.

Luke 24:37-39 (KJV) But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit. And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts? Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

When Christ comes again, all who have been born again shall also have an immortal & incorruptible body as Jesus has.

Of course. Did I say otherwise? No, I did not. How about actually talking to me instead of your strawman?

But until that day when our body of flesh and bone is changed, we are the spiritual body that Paul writes our body shall be when our physical flesh has died.

Nope. That's not what Paul taught at at all. What he taught is that the body we have now is a corruptible, dishonorable, weak, mortal natural body. He contrasted that with the incorruptible, glorious, powerful, immortal spiritual body like Jesus has that we will have when the last trumpet sounds at Christ's return when we're all changed to put on bodily immortality.

1 Corinthians 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. The body is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption. 43 It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is raised in power. 44 It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

Look at the above passage and see how I highlighted the attributes of the natural body in blue and of the spiritual body in red. You are trying to say that believers already have their spiritual body immediately after they die, but that contradicts 1 Corinthians 15:50-54 which says that will happen at the last trumpet when Jesus returns. Notice in the passage above that Paul says that natural body "is sown in corruption" and "raised in incorruption". When will the natural body be raised in incorruption as a spiritual body? At the last trumpet.

Paul is clear that we will not have incorruptible bodies until the last trumpet sounds, so to say that will occur immediately after we die contradicts what Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 15:50-54 where he said in relation to the last trumpet: "For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.". So, the change from corruptible, dishonorable, weak, mortal natural bodies to incorruptible, glorious, powerful, immortal spiritual bodies will occur at the last trumpet for all of us at the same time. It couldn't be more clear.

 

[rwb]

I think we might be talking about two different things. My verse,2 Corinthians 5:1, is about the glorified body: Paul contrasts our earthly "tabernacle" with a "house not made with hands," and then talks about being "clothed" and not "found naked".

The heavenly Jerusalem in Hebrews 12 is a place, a city we come to. So I'm not sure entering the city, even spiritually, settles what kind of body we have. Or, maybe I’m misreading what you’re saying.

What kind of a body can enter into heaven; a spiritual realm if not spirit of man?

 

[rwb]

No one but Jesus will have an incorruptible, immortal spiritual body until the last trumpet sounds when Jesus returns at which point we will all be changed to have incorruptible, immortal spiritual bodies

I have not said that we have an incorruptible immortal spiritual body EVER! I said we now have mortal corruptible body of flesh made alive through spirit in us, called living souls. When Christ comes again our body is changed from mortal flesh to immortal flesh made alive through spirit that will return with Christ.

Why do you continue to refer to flesh and blood as "immortal spiritual body"? According to Paul there is a natural mortal body of flesh and there is also a spiritual body like that of Christ in heaven that has life (living soul) but without flesh. Now, in this age we are natural mortal body of flesh. When we are raised up or resurrected when Christ comes again born-again believers shall be physically changed from mortal body of flesh to immortal body of flesh that will be alive through the sprit that returns with Christ. You really confuse the two parts of man when you say we shall become "immortal spiritual body", what exactly does that mean?

I'm not arguing with you about this anymore. It would be futile because you have said that you do not believe we have eternal life from the moment we are born again. Besides I've grown weary of your belittling remarks...enough said!