"True" Israel?

[brightfame52]

There was a national Israel and a remnant Israel..Rom 9:6

Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

Rom 9:27

27Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:

Rom 11:4-7

4But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.

5Even so then at this present time also there is a Remnant according to the election of grace.

6And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

7What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

The promises of old were to Israel the Remnant, who were in National Israel, and God has been faithful to His promises to the Remnant Israel, thats why paul says:

Rom 11:1-2

1I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

2God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew.

So the promises has always been not to all of the nation of Israel, but to a remnant within the nation..which too is Israel, the Israel of God. 2

 

[Dan Clarkston]

So the promises has always been not to all of the nation of Israel, but to a remnant within the nation..which too is Israel, the Israel of God. 2

So you must be in a perpetual state of befuddlement trying to understand why the Lord keeps protecting modern day Israel from being wiped off the map by the moslems.

 

[brightfame52]

So you must be in a perpetual state of befuddlement trying to understand why the Lord keeps protecting modern day Israel from being wiped off the map by the moslems. View attachment 87040

Not at all, I know u r deceived

 

[Triumph1300]

Israel is just another country in the Middle East.
It's being run by a war criminal right now.
Changes are coming, people are fed up with the war and the violence.
They are protesting and the protests are growing every day.
People want their normal life back. They are fed up with it.
They want peace.
The Palestinians want peace as well, they are all fed up with the war mongering leaders.
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The real "Israel" is the worldwide Christian church.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Not at all, I know u r deceived

That's what all the tares say to those that know the Lord and are walking with Him.

The tares always be trying to convert the Children of God to come over to the dark side and be children of the devil along with the tares. It's what they do

Israel is just another country in the Middle East.

Those that don't know the Lord or His ways of being and doing right keep making this false claim.

Changes are coming, people are fed up with the war and the violence.

Yes, when the Lord returns He's going to change where all the racist Jews haters are living from planet earth down to the fires of hell which will be their permanent residence.

 

[brightfame52]

That's what all the tares say to those that know the Lord and are walking with Him.

The tares always be trying to convert the Children of God to come over to the dark side and be children of the devil along with the tares. It's what they do

We will see on Judgment day who was deceived.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

We will see on Judgment day who was deceived.

We can see who is deceived now by whether they accept the whole counsel of God or not.

Jesus said we would know them by their fruit and those teaching false doctrine have rotten fruit.

 

[Triumph1300]

Israel is the CHURCH.
Don't put my quote out of context

 

[Triumph1300]

Jesus said we would know them by their fruit and those teaching false doctrine have rotten fruit.

Yes, that's for sure and it would include the warmongers and deceivers posting other people's quotes out of context.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Israel is the CHURCH.

You are confusing the Body of Christ with the descendants of Abraham who are Jews according to the flesh spoken of in scripture. Two total different people groups.

The the Body of Christ does not replace the descendants of Abraham who are Jews according to the flesh that the Lord has made certain promises to and will honor because of His friend Abraham such as restoring the nation of Israel and causing descendants of Abraham from around the world to move to Israel

Racist Jew haters will continue to be racists and will continue hating the Jews as they live their pathetic lives on the highway to hell (these people refuse to forgive and are very hateful)

Yes, that's for sure and it would include the warmongers and deceivers posting other people's quotes out of context.

We know where the racist Jew haters stand...

 

[brightfame52]

We can see who is deceived now by whether they accept the whole counsel of God or not.

Jesus said we would know them by their fruit and those teaching false doctrine have rotten fruit.

No unfortunately you deceived but don't know it. May God have mercy on you!

 

[Triumph1300]

We know where the racist Jew haters stand...

Ok, because I disagree with you, you name me a racist Jew hater.
Well that's your weird twisted opinion.
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The ancient Jewish people were classified as Israel.
And that was because they were God's people, no doubt about that.
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Through history things changed.
Jesus came and most Jews rejected Jesus right away.
And a lot of them still do.

Today:
The Jews accepting Jesus Christ and the None-Jewish people accepting the Lord are now: Israel.
All Christian Churches are Israel.
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Some want to classify "before Christ and after Christ" : "Ancient Israel" and "New Israel".

 

[Jay Ross]

The the Body of Christ does not replace the descendants of Abraham who are Jews according to the flesh that the Lord has made certain promises to and will honor because of His friend Abraham such as restoring the nation of Israel and causing descendants of Abraham from around the world to move to Israel

If you had cared to look at the original text of the Old Testament, you would have seen that God promised to plant the Israelites in the "soil," i.e. H:0127, of Israel and teach them on the Religion of Israel where they will be living scattered throughout all of the earth, at the Time of God Gathering them to Himself. No mention is made in the scriptures of them moving to the Land of Canaan, where Abraham sojourned with God's help or prompting.

Shalom

 

[brightfame52]

Who Is Israel ?


The True Israel of God is really Jesus Christ..There are scriptures that indicate this i.e Isa 49:1-3

1Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name.

2And he hath made my mouth like a sharp sword; in the shadow of his hand hath he hid me, and made me a polished shaft; in his quiver hath he hid me; 3

And said unto me, Thou art my servant, O Israel, in whom I will be glorified.

Jesus Christ was the antitype of Jacob or Israel, being the Head and Representative of the whole Israel of God, which is His body, the church.

The prophecy in Hosea indicates that Jesus Christ is Gods Son Israel
Hos 11:1

When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt.

Now see how the Holy Spirit applies this too Jesus in Matt 2:15

And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.

So Israel is all those who are in Union with Gods Son Israel..for they were chosen in Him

Eph 1:4

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 2

 

[brightfame52]

I am the True Vine Israel

Jn 15:1

1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.

Jesus here is intimating that He is the True Israel..for vine represents Israel in scripture. Now remember how that the Son out of egypt intimated Jesus as Israel i.e Hos 11:1

1When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt.

Matt 2:15

15And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.

Now there is more scripture confirmation that this son called out of egypt, which was christ typified, also is typified by a vine, lets look at Ps 80:8

8Thou hast brought a vine out of Egypt: thou hast cast out the heathen, and planted it.

This vine out of egypt, is Jesus the True Israel, the True vine of Jn 15: 1

And it serves to reason, all those chosen in Him before the foundation are the true Sons of Israel 2

 

[brightfame52]

Rom 11:28

Rom 11:28

28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.

The unbelieving Jews were enemies of the gospel and to all who were true believers, both jew and gentile. For Paul himself as an unbelieving jew was a enemy to those who preached and believed the gospel [ 1 Tim 1:13 ; Acts 9], but as for the election of grace within Israel, these are loved for the promises made to fathers sake, the promises that there would be deliverance for ethnic jews is kept by God in the deliverance of the election of grace within the jewish people, as Paul himself was an example of [ Rom 11:1] So this verse here speaks as Rom 9:6 contrasting the two Israels, which are Unbelieving Israel the enemies of the gospel [ permanently ] and the remnant which is according to the election of grace, who of course start out as enemies by nature as Paul did , but will be delivered or converted to Jesus Christ as Paul was.. The remnant along with the believing gentiles is how all Israel will be saved, and at the same time God being Faithful to ethnic Jews who are part of the election of grace.

 

[brightfame52]

When the fulness of the gentiles has come in, it will be no longer time for any to be grafted into the olive tree, at that time [ the end] all Israel shall be saved [ Not National Israel] but all Israel, the Israel of God, all them chosen in the True servant Israel, Jesus Christ [ Isa 49 ], this is clearly stated Rom 11:26. Again Jesus is the Israel of whom the promises pertained [ Gal 3:16] also see Isa 49:1-3 of which it is said, has a sword in His mouth and His Name is Israel..Isa 49:1-2

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me

from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name.

2 And he hath made my mouth like a sharp sword; in the shadow of his hand hath he hid me, and made me a polished shaft; in his quiver hath he hid me; 3And said unto me, Thou art my servant, O Israel, in whom I will be glorified.

No doubt this is Jesus Christ, and except one is in Christ, they are not of the Israel of promise, which again is why Paul writes Rom 9:6. There was a national external covenant Israel, through the Law [ Ex 20], and there is the eternal covenant Israel through election in Jesus Christ before the world began, the foreknown Rom 11:1

Now if Jesus Christ is the Israel per Isa 49, Hos 1 ; Matt 2:15; and Ps 80:8, then the church, His body, is the representation of the body of Israel..

When the last elect jew or gentile is brought into fellowship with Jesus Christ their Head, then the end shall come.