Reviving Biblical Christianity (The Way) Part 2

[MostlyConfused]

I am wondering if any one here knows the difference between a guest to a wedding and the bride?

And I am wondering, who do they think are the guests….??? Do they have a teaching on that?

 

[MostlyConfused]

The "wicked" or "filthy" is the 4th state

Rv 22:11
1 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

Okay but he said 4 ETERNAL states.

 

[MostlyConfused]

And I am wondering, who do they think are the guests….??? Do they have a teaching on that?

Reminds me of the saying, everyone wants to be a bride but no one wants to be a bridesmaid.

 

[MostlyConfused]

I have received some really big pieces of my puzzle here today. I’m very grateful.

 

[MostlyConfused]

The "wicked" or "filthy" is the 4th state

Rv 22:11
1 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

Okay wait, list for me the 4 states that are eternal that he spoke of a few pages back.

 

[MostlyConfused]

I didn’t see where you listed that verse! Let me think about this.
Unjust…maybe that is the lake. Maybe he WAS counting it as an eternal state and my mind just sees it different - as not eternal.

 

[MostlyConfused]

If the wicked are the filthy then wicked and iniquitous mean different things and he did say in a video that iniquity is a sin only the religious commit. Gahhhh! Taking a break. It won’t come to me this way.

 

[shepherdsword]

Okay wait, list for me the 4 states that are eternal that he spoke of a few pages back.

1) unjust ( or unrighteous)
2) Filthy (or wicked)
3) righteous
4) Holy
(Rv 22:11 says that these 4 states continue ("still" meaning "hereafter)

 

[MostlyConfused]

1) unjust ( or unrighteous)
2) Filthy (or wicked)
3) righteous
4) Holy
(Rv 22:11 says that these 4 states continue ("still" meaning "hereafter)

That almost makes it seem like there are two states of unrighteousness. He talked somewhere about iniquity being a mystery. It's all either a mystery too great for me to see or I'm not supposed to really go this direction right now with my mind. I'm just going to leave it for now. But thanks.

 

[ProDeo]

Mk 6:11
And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.

That's when Jesus Sends Out the Twelve Apostles with temporarily divine power (Matt 10:8 Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse lepers, cast out demons.)

No relationship with certain members rejecting Christ -- © Epi

 

[MostlyConfused]

But before I go, it seems like the unrighteous have to be the #1 and the #2 is the mystery of iniquity, where you have done something even WORSE than the unrighteous. Which fits with why it may go better for #1 than for #2, though I can't quite see how.
Okay, won't subject anyone any more to my confusion. Letting it go.

 

[shepherdsword]

That almost makes it seem like there are two states of unrighteousness. He talked somewhere about iniquity being a mystery. It's all either a mystery too great for me to see or I'm not supposed to really go this direction right now with my mind. I'm just going to leave it for now. But thanks.

1) the wicked (the most evil)
2)unrighteous ( evil but not as bad as the wicked)
3)righteous
4) Holy

 

[amigo de christo]

So receiving Christ and having your life turned around means one is a "modern churchy people"?

The bible says there is no one righteous.

And this:

Heb 11:6
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

I do not condemn the lost especially since I was once very lost myself, and I can relate to being that way.....and not to mention we never know who will be saved. I believe God will answer sincerely seeking hearts, although even the hearts that are seeking the truth, I believe that is from God too really because they were foreknown by Him.

Let us all examine to see if we do condemn the lost .
And i assure us all that if anyone allows UNBELEIF to remain upon the lost , THEY ARE PARTAKERS of their condmenation .
Folks we are all being lied too . We are b eing taught that any kind of correction is condmening one .
A LIE of satan himself . HERE is who condemns themselves .
He who hears and BELEIVES NOT . AND ANYONE else going along with the mindset
that it was not necessary to have to had believed on JESUS , that somehow its all a big universal kumybia .
THAT CALLS GOD , THAT CALLS CHRIST a liar .
IT is not those who rebuke and co rrect sin , doing so f rom a heart that desires THEIR REPETANCE that do hate .
ITS THIS ONE who hates . The one WHO DO allow sin and UNBELIEF to remain upon his neighbor .
FOR IT is written YE SHALL NOT HATE your neighbor in your heart , YOU SHALL correct him and not ALLOW sin upon HIM .
SO dont ya find it real ODD we have someone accusing YOU of perhaps condmening the lost
WHEN IT BE HE who is the one coming after those WHO ARE REMINDING ALL OF THE DIRE NEED TO BLEIEVE ON JESUS .
When i wrote , years ago , that often those accusing us of doing something , OH ITS THEY THAT ARE GUILTY of doing it .

 

[marks]

1) the wicked (the most evil)
2)unrighteous ( evil but not as bad as the wicked)
3)righteous
4) Holy

Revelation 22:11 KJV
11) He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.



Check out the way the verbs are written in this passage. The one being unjust, the one being filthy this are in active voice verbs. The one being justified, the one being holy these are passive voice, the action is being done to them.

Ephesians 2:3 KJV
3) Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

Of the flesh . . . filthy; Of the mind . . . unjust.

Much love!

 

[amigo de christo]

You do exclude the righteous. You call mercy ..."inclusivism" ....because you think you are God's gift to humanity. But you don't realize that by excluding those whom God is including....you are excluding yourself. Such wisdom is light years beyond your understanding.


That's why you hate the righteous...because you call God a liar. Those who DO righteousness are accepted with God...but you condemn them.


You are just a religionist. You think you will be judged because you chose the right religion? That your opinions save you? You think there will be a questionnaire to fill out before entering the eternal rest? Do you understand the English words I am using?


Yes....through Christ.


You are still under that power. You only have a theoretical name and claim grasp of things that are fully outside your understanding...like many many modern religionists.


Why Amigo why??? Name and claim? You think God wants lip-service. You are only right in theory NOT in practice.


He was righteous and accepted with God. He had as an unbeliever more faith than the religionists of his day. But you can't see that.



False. Cornelius was offered eternal life as a saint..not just saved (he was already saved in God's eyes). No Cornelius is part of the Bride of Christ...not just "saved" as you parrot endlessly without knowledge. You don't know what glory is. Cornelius was given access to God's glory through Christ. You think you have glory but you are failing even the most basic righteousness...which is about mercy and humility...qualities you don't possess.


Wrong again. Jesus said seek FIRST the kingdom of God. You don't understand what faith is.

Religious sloganeering that is fully hostile to any form of righteousness.

inclusivism is not mercy , its A LIE of the devil . just making it seem as though its love and loving them .
WHEN ALL IT DID was allow false religoins to remain in their lie . No sir epi
And you are gonna be held accountable on the DAY OF JESUS CHRIST .
HERE is the LOVE OF GOD , that WE KEEP his commandments . HERE are HIS commandments , TO BELIEVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST
and to love one another . ANY love that omits the fact one must beleive , AS DO satans inclusivsim
IS A LIE from the devil himself . YOU are in deadly dire danger . AS for me I POINT an d shall ONLY POINT
to JESUS CHRIST and ALL things HE taught epi , NOT TO Exclude as does inclusivsm THE DIRE NEED TO BELEIVE ON HIM .
You gonna pay a price you cannot pay , lest ye repent and start preaching THE TRUE gospel of GOD
and not the dark false gospel of inclusivism and its broad path of unbelief .

 

[MostlyConfused]

1) the wicked (the most evil)
2)unrighteous ( evil but not as bad as the wicked)
3)righteous
4) Holy

In my understanding something is incorrect here. What I think I have learned and seen with the help of episkopos is that the #1 are NOT as bad as #2 because they did not hurt anyone in an eternal way but #2 DOES do harm to some in an eternal way, even to the point of making men TWICE the son of hell than they are. #1 could kill your body but that's it.yes, that's bad but not as bad as messing with a mans eternal state.
Episkopos can correct me where needed if I see it wrong. I could very well be missing something. But if it will go better for sodom #1 than for #2 you can't really say #1 is the most evil in God's eyes.

 

[marks]

If I may, my advice to you and anyone is to look to the scriptures and seek the LORD first for any understanding that you need.

Amen! Everything anyone reads in this thread needs to be examined vigorously against the Bible, to show the error. Each person needs to do this for themself, so that each will see truth, and believe it.

Much love!

 

[marks]

This is terrifying beyond words

Keep it in context.

Matthew 7:21-23 KJV
21) Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22) Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23) And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

While they claimed good works, Jesus declared them workers of iniquity. Do you believe Jesus, or the claimants who contradicted Him?

Claiming that you have done "many wonderful works" in Jesus' Name is only that, a claim, subject to verification. Jesus will refute those false claims.

Much love!

 

[shepherdsword]

Revelation 22:11 KJV
11) He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

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Check out the way the verbs are written in this passage. The one being unjust, the one being filthy this are in active voice verbs. The one being justified, the one being holy these are passive voice, the action is being done to them.

Ephesians 2:3 KJV
3) Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

Of the flesh . . . filthy; Of the mind . . . unjust.

Much love!

I have passive voice for "let him be holy" but "let him be righteous isn't even a verb in this parsing.


I also have passive voice for "let him be filthy"

 

[marks]

A man in my state doesn't view Epi the same way you do. You measure him the same way the Pharisees measured Jesus.

You are mistaken to assume what state I am in. And you are mistaken to assume how I go about to "measure" anyone. When you go on to base conclusions on these assumptions, you will reach a different destination.

My first contact with him was in 2010, for whatever that is worth. What matters to me is whether or not his teaching aligns with Scripture, and I've found many places where it does not. Questioning him on these points is what turned him to an enemy. Nothing more than that, just showing Scripture that disagrees with his statements.

Consider carefully what assumptions you make of others.

Much love!