God's will concerning the Palestinians

[Luther7]

Very simple question ( from someone who is very grieved):
God knows the end from the beginning.
Having said that, Does Israel have God's blessing for murdering over 20,000 Palestinian children since October 7th, 2023?

 

[quietthinker]

Very simple question ( from someone who is very grieved):
God knows the end from the beginning.
Having said that, Does Israel have God's blessing for murdering over 20,000 Palestinian children since October 7th, 2023?

One only draws the conclusion of Israel's favouritism and Palestinian disapproval if Jesus' teachings are not absorbed.

 

[IndianaRob]

Very simple question ( from someone who is very grieved):
God knows the end from the beginning.
Having said that, Does Israel have God's blessing for murdering over 20,000 Palestinian children since October 7th, 2023?

They absolutely do not have God's blessing. The people that run Israel hate God.

 

[Anchorite]

The current war in Gaza was directly triggered by the October 7, 2023, cross-border attack led by Hamas, which killed about 1,200 people in Israel and resulted in the abduction of 251 hostages. This immediate catalyst is rooted in a century-long territorial, political, and human rights conflict between Israel and the Palestinians.

Israel captured the Gaza Strip from Egypt in 1967 during the Six-Day War, placing the territory under military occupation until its unilateral withdrawal of settlers and troops in 2005.

Following a 2007 civil conflict in which Hamas took political and military control of Gaza, Israel and Egypt imposed a strict land, air, and sea blockade to isolate the militant group, severely impacting Gaza's economy and living conditions.

In biblical tradition, the territory of Gaza was historically assigned within the ancestral borders of the tribe of Judah.

Hamas is fighting to end Israel's occupation, establish an independent Palestinian state, and replace Israel with an Islamic society. Its core objectives combine Palestinian nationalism with Islamist goals.

Founded in 1987, Hamas originally called for the destruction of Israel. While later documents hinted at accepting an interim Palestinian state along pre-1967 borders, the group remains fundamentally opposed to Israel's existence.

Hamas embeds its military assets, supplies, and personnel within dense civilian infrastructure, raising humanitarian costs and complicating total clearance operations.

 

[Luther7]

The current war in Gaza was directly triggered by the October 7, 2023, cross-border attack led by Hamas, which killed about 1,200 people in Israel and resulted in the abduction of 251 hostages. This immediate catalyst is rooted in a century-long territorial, political, and human rights conflict between Israel and the Palestinians.

Israel captured the Gaza Strip from Egypt in 1967 during the Six-Day War, placing the territory under military occupation until its unilateral withdrawal of settlers and troops in 2005.

Following a 2007 civil conflict in which Hamas took political and military control of Gaza, Israel and Egypt imposed a strict land, air, and sea blockade to isolate the militant group, severely impacting Gaza's economy and living conditions.

In biblical tradition, the territory of Gaza was historically assigned within the ancestral borders of the tribe of Judah.

Hamas is fighting to end Israel's occupation, establish an independent Palestinian state, and replace Israel with an Islamic society. Its core objectives combine Palestinian nationalism with Islamist goals.

Founded in 1987, Hamas originally called for the destruction of Israel. While later documents hinted at accepting an interim Palestinian state along pre-1967 borders, the group remains fundamentally opposed to Israel's existence.

Hamas embeds its military assets, supplies, and personnel within dense civilian infrastructure, raising humanitarian costs and complicating total clearance operations.

You didn't answer the simple question.

 

[IndianaRob]

You didn't answer the simple question.

And he left out the part where the people that say they are Israel stole that land.

 

[Anchorite]

You didn't answer the simple question.

I provide some background information. The deaths of Palestians is due to Hamas attacking Israel. I cannot speak for God regarding this issue.

 

[Wick Stick]

Very simple question ( from someone who is very grieved):
God knows the end from the beginning.
Having said that, Does Israel have God's blessing for murdering over 20,000 Palestinian children since October 7th, 2023?

He has smitten Gaza before...

Jeremiah 47
1 The word of the LORD that came to Jeremiah the prophet against the Philistines, before that Pharaoh smote Gaza.
2 Thus saith the LORD; Behold, waters rise up out of the north, and shall be an overflowing flood, and shall overflow the land, and all that is therein; the city, and them that dwell therein: then the men shall cry, and all the inhabitants of the land shall howl.
3 At the noise of the stamping of the hoofs of his strong [horses], at the rushing of his chariots, [and at] the rumbling of his wheels, the fathers shall not look back to [their] children for feebleness of hands;
4 Because of the day that cometh to spoil all the Philistines, [and] to cut off from Tyrus and Zidon every helper that remaineth: for the LORD will spoil the Philistines, the remnant of the country of Caphtor.
5 Baldness is come upon Gaza; Ashkelon is cut off [with] the remnant of their valley: how long wilt thou cut thyself?
6 O thou sword of the LORD, how long [will it be] ere thou be quiet? put up thyself into thy scabbard, rest, and be still.
7 How can it be quiet, seeing the LORD hath given it a charge against Ashkelon, and against the sea shore? there hath he appointed it.

Prophecy tends to be cyclical... things happen more than once.

I do agree that the nation which today calls itself Israel... is not the Israel of the Bible. Note that in the passage quoted above, the judgment on the Philistines had Pharoah smiting Gaza; not Israel.

 

[Luther7]

And he left out the part where the people that say they are Israel stole that land.

They did. It was not an act of God. It was an act of political terrorism. If anyone does any research, going back to WWI, you can see everything develop. And yes, I do have opinions on the world wars.

 

[Debp]

Hamas is fighting to end Israel's occupation, establish an independent Palestinian state, and replace Israel with an Islamic society. Its core objectives combine Palestinian nationalism with Islamist goals.

Just adding that the Palestinians were offered their own State five different times...each time they rejected it. They want to kill all of the Jews...the Palestinians don't want to share the land. They want it all. That's their chant...from the river to the sea.

 

[Luther7]

He has smitten Gaza before...

Jeremiah 47
1 The word of the LORD that came to Jeremiah the prophet against the Philistines, before that Pharaoh smote Gaza.
2 Thus saith the LORD; Behold, waters rise up out of the north, and shall be an overflowing flood, and shall overflow the land, and all that is therein; the city, and them that dwell therein: then the men shall cry, and all the inhabitants of the land shall howl.
3 At the noise of the stamping of the hoofs of his strong [horses], at the rushing of his chariots, [and at] the rumbling of his wheels, the fathers shall not look back to [their] children for feebleness of hands;
4 Because of the day that cometh to spoil all the Philistines, [and] to cut off from Tyrus and Zidon every helper that remaineth: for the LORD will spoil the Philistines, the remnant of the country of Caphtor.
5 Baldness is come upon Gaza; Ashkelon is cut off [with] the remnant of their valley: how long wilt thou cut thyself?
6 O thou sword of the LORD, how long [will it be] ere thou be quiet? put up thyself into thy scabbard, rest, and be still.
7 How can it be quiet, seeing the LORD hath given it a charge against Ashkelon, and against the sea shore? there hath he appointed it.

Prophecy tends to be cyclical... things happen more than once.

I do agree that the nation which today calls itself Israel... is not the Israel of the Bible. Note that in the passage quoted above, the judgment on the Philistines had Pharoah smiting Gaza; not Israel.

I don't understand then why you are presenting these verses.

 

[Luther7]

Just adding that the Palestinians were offered their own State five different times...each time they rejected it. They want to kill all of the Jews...the Palestinians don't want to share the land. They want it all. That's their chant...from the river to the sea.

You don't know about Israel funding Hamas, I take it. Netanyahu was on record explaining that as long as there is Hamas, there will never be the chance of a two State solution, which Israel does not want, as you can see them taking over broader areas of Palestine that do not belong to them. The idea is to keep Hamas strong to thwart any possibility of unity within the PLO that does seek a two state solution.

That's what everyone agrees on, except Israel (and of course Hamas). Because Israel wants to take over a major part of the Middle East. They call it " GREATER ISRAEL".
They want to control the land " from the river to the sea" , while Palestinians want to be FREE from the river to the sea. Big difference.

So Debp you as well can't answer my simple question either. Is this bloodshed is blessed by God or not?

 

[Debp]

You don't know about Israel funding Hamas, I take it. Netanyahu was on record explaining that as long as there is Hamas, there will never be the chance of a two State solution, which Israel does not want, as you can see them taking over broader areas of Palestine that do not belong to them. The idea is to keep Hamas strong to thwart any possibility of unity within the PLO that does seek a two state solution.

That's what everyone agrees on, except Israel. Because Israel wants to take over a major part of the Middle East. They call it " GREATER ISRAEL".
They want to control the land " from the river to the sea" , while Palestinians want to be FREE from the river to the sea. Big difference.

So Debp you as well can't answer my simple question either. This bloodshed is ordained by God , correct?

That's ridiculous. Netanyahu simply meant as long as there is Hamas, Hamas will never agree to a two State solution.

Any bloodshed is wrong in God's eyes.

 

[Anchorite]

Asking if the war in Gaza is ordained by God is like asking if Europeans were ordained by God to take over North America.

Wars and occupations of land are done by men with human motivations.

Since we cannot know the mind of God regarding international affairs, it is best to remain silent on the subject.

In Bible times, Gaza was a frequent snare to Israel.

The Bible associates Gaza mainly with the Philistines. God had given the city to Judah, but the Israelites had failed to obey God in driving out the former occupants of Canaan (Numbers 33:51–53). Because of that disobedience, the Philistines and the city of Gaza remained a thorn in Israel’s side for centuries (see Judges 2:3).

By the time of Samson’s judgeship, the Philistines were living in and controlling Gaza (Judges 16:1).

When Samson visited Gaza, the people there planned to kill him, but he escaped and carried off the city gates (Judges 16:1–3). After Delilah tricked Samson into divulging the secret of his strength, the Philistines captured him and took him to a prison in Gaza (Judges 16:21).

Later, Samson regained his strength from the Lord and pushed down the pillars of Dagon’s temple, destroying the edifice and killing many Philistines in the process (Judges 16:23–30).

The Philistines continued to control Gaza during the time of Samuel (see 1 Samuel 6:17). King Hezekiah won great victories over the Philistines, “as far as Gaza and its territory,” but did not conquer Gaza itself (2 Kings 18:8).

Gaza was a city associated with judgment. Jeremiah, Amos, Zephaniah, and Zechariah all prophesied judgment on Gaza because of the sin of the Philistines. Amos 1:6–7 records God’s judgment on Gaza: “For three transgressions of Gaza, and for four, I will not revoke the punishment, because they carried into exile a whole people to deliver them up to Edom. So I will send a fire upon the wall of Gaza, and it shall devour her strongholds” (ESV).

Likewise, Jeremiah, Zephaniah, and Zechariah prophesied of Gaza’s destruction (Jeremiah 25:17–20; Zephaniah 2:4; Zechariah 9:5). King Sargon of Assyria conquered Gaza and probably destroyed it in 720 BC. Later, Alexander the Great destroyed the city again in 332 BC, after a lengthy battle. During the Maccabean period, Jonathan subjugated Gaza to Israel.

 

[Luther7]

That's ridiculous. Netanyahu simply meant as long as there is Hamas, Hamas will never agree to a two State solution.

Any bloodshed is wrong in God's eyes.

And that's why Israel keeps Hamas going. It's not ridiculous. He said it. Did they ever give a reason why their military was ordered to stand down for 6 hrs on the night of the attack? Remember, their security measures are superior, as they can spot a rat approaching their borders.

 

[markalan]

Very simple question ( from someone who is very grieved):
God knows the end from the beginning.
Having said that, Does Israel have God's blessing for murdering over 20,000 Palestinian children since October 7th, 2023?

'Murder' implies an intention to kill children ... that is false.
False also is the number of children, as many teenagers ("children") were Hamas combatants.

How many deaths of Palestinian children would be acceptable to you in Israel's response to Oct 7th?
If we say none, then we deny Israel's right to respond to the slaughter of men, women, & children in the Oct 7th attack.

Israel had a right and a responsibility to eliminate Hamas according to Scripture:

For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God’s wrath on the wrongdoer. (Romans 13:3-4)

 

[Wick Stick]

I don't understand then why you are presenting these verses.

Prophecy tends to be cyclical... things happen more than once.

 

[Luther7]

Asking if the war in Gaza is ordained by God is like asking if Europeans were ordained by God to take over North America.

Wars and occupations of land are done by men with human motivations.

Since we cannot know the mind of God regarding international affairs, it is best to remain silent on the subject.

In Bible times, Gaza was a frequent snare to Israel.

The Bible associates Gaza mainly with the Philistines. God had given the city to Judah, but the Israelites had failed to obey God in driving out the former occupants of Canaan (Numbers 33:51–53). Because of that disobedience, the Philistines and the city of Gaza remained a thorn in Israel’s side for centuries (see Judges 2:3).

By the time of Samson’s judgeship, the Philistines were living in and controlling Gaza (Judges 16:1).

When Samson visited Gaza, the people there planned to kill him, but he escaped and carried off the city gates (Judges 16:1–3). After Delilah tricked Samson into divulging the secret of his strength, the Philistines captured him and took him to a prison in Gaza (Judges 16:21).

Later, Samson regained his strength from the Lord and pushed down the pillars of Dagon’s temple, destroying the edifice and killing many Philistines in the process (Judges 16:23–30).

The Philistines continued to control Gaza during the time of Samuel (see 1 Samuel 6:17). King Hezekiah won great victories over the Philistines, “as far as Gaza and its territory,” but did not conquer Gaza itself (2 Kings 18:8).

Gaza was a city associated with judgment. Jeremiah, Amos, Zephaniah, and Zechariah all prophesied judgment on Gaza because of the sin of the Philistines. Amos 1:6–7 records God’s judgment on Gaza: “For three transgressions of Gaza, and for four, I will not revoke the punishment, because they carried into exile a whole people to deliver them up to Edom. So I will send a fire upon the wall of Gaza, and it shall devour her strongholds” (ESV).

Likewise, Jeremiah, Zephaniah, and Zechariah prophesied of Gaza’s destruction (Jeremiah 25:17–20; Zephaniah 2:4; Zechariah 9:5). King Sargon of Assyria conquered Gaza and probably destroyed it in 720 BC. Later, Alexander the Great destroyed the city again in 332 BC, after a lengthy battle. During the Maccabean period, Jonathan subjugated Gaza to Israel.

God knows what sinful man will do. It's not a question of His foreknowledge, it's a BIBLICAL, MORAL question I raise. Since Jesus Christ does not teach murder is a good thing under any circumstance ( and like I already said civilians are INNOCENT), that nation in no way is blessed by God. In fact the opposite is true.

The only ones that bless Israel are those who do not follow the teachings of the Bible. Blinded and deceived by a false doctrine.

 

[Luther7]

'Murder' implies an intention to kill children ... that is false.
False also is the number of children, as many teenagers ("children") were Hamas combatants.

How many deaths of Palestinian children would be acceptable to you in Israel's response to Oct 7th?
If we say none, then we deny Israel's right to respond to the slaughter of men, women, & children in the Oct 7th attack.

Israel had a right and a responsibility to eliminate Hamas according to Scripture:

For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God’s wrath on the wrongdoer. (Romans 13:3-4)

You are being ignorant of all the innocent civilians murdered. That has nothing to do with the Old testament. That's just not understanding scripture on your part.

 

[markalan]

You are being ignorant of all the innocent civilians murdered. That has nothing to do with the Old testament. That's just not understanding scripture on your part.

I would be interested to see your understanding of the Scripture I posted from Romans chapter 13.

How do you think Israel should have responded to the Oct 7th massacre?