My bad, I misread what you meant by allusion. I thought you like others who post here were present ing that as the mark which they say already occurred
Wont take Rev 14:9 MOTB under any circumstance, really ?
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I meant to explain that there other marks that Jews and Romans would have known about. The point was that the marks were physical, not metaphorical.
"Bruce" could be anyone, eg you or I.
Put yourself in the place of Bruce.
If you were 'Bruce' would you take the MOTB so as to save others ?
Would you be prepared to act as Moses did in Exod 32:32, Num 11:11-15.
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Scenario :-
The Rev 14:9 MOTB is now a reality.
Bruce is a Saint in the eyes of everyone that knows him
Bruce and all his family, friends & associates are rounded up.
Some are Saints, others are not.
Until Bruce takes the Rev 14:9 MOTB he & everyone will witness one by one the execution of that group.
If it were you, how long would it be before you took the MOTB to stop the executions ?
Now that is a good point ewq which I have bought up elsewhere yet met with derision.
Rev 14:9 ......If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
Worship AND take mark - seems logical that the AND conditions MUST be met
Start a thread on that and watch the abuse fly !!!
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Rev 20:4...and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads
Rev 14:9 ...If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
The seemingly apparent conclusion is that Christians who takes the MOTB will not go to the LOF unless they ALSO worship the beast/image.
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No. From a grammatical point of view, the word translated "any man" is the indefinite pronoun τις. This is followed by a list of groups that are the referents for that indefinite pronoun:
- The group of those who worship the Beast, AND
- The group of those who worship the image of the Beast, AND
- The group of those who receive the Mark on their forehead or hand.
Main takeaway: Don't worship the Beast, Peter. Don't worship the image of the Beast, Peter. Don't take his mark, Peter. And DON'T counsel others to take the Mark of the Beast. Okay?
I agree. I believe the mark will be physical...both on the skin and under the skin. Perhaps something like the LUCIFERASE-QUANTUM-DOT-TATTOO.
The mark will be scanned and connect with a data center...with you CBDC info as well as your "credit score" allowing you to buy, sell, go through, enter into, exit from etc.
We already have the technology.
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I'm not sure on that but maybe? My point is that refusing the mark alone does not get one killed but it is refusal to worship the image that does and is part of the reasons why some saints will be killed.
You should have kept reading past v. 9 in Rev. 14.
Revelation 14
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
Rev 14:11 ...who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
AGREED if verse wrote worship the beast OR his image OR whosoever receiveth the mark
Worship the beast AND worship the image AND receive the mark = go to LOF
The verse states AND not OR
What if you only do the first 2 but DONT take the mark ?
Worshiping the beast and his image means you do not worship God, you worship the enemy of God.
Taking the mark is symbolic of worshiping the beast.
No, it is taking about 2 categories of people, those who worship beast and those who take the mark of the beast.
It's AND AND AND not OR OR OR
eg :-
To be saved today you must :-
Believe who Christ is
AND not OR
Believe he died so your sins can be forgiven
AND not OR
That he rose from the dead 3 days later
I see it this way...
I would think a tribulation saint would be wise to it...Today we can "peer" into the future and put together the hints in Revelation...but...when you're actually living in the tribulation, seen the 4 horseman, two witnesses and so forth...watching Revelation unfold in real time..and if you manage to survive to Revelation 13...saw, was part of it and watched 7 "Then the beast was permitted to wage war against the saints and to conquer them, and it was given authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation"....I would think a true Holy Spirit filled believer would know about taking the mark and the repercussion of the skin boils and being chucked into the lake of fire.
Thing is CC, the verse writes AND not OR.
The person must worship the beast AND take the mark.
What if the Christian does NOT worship the beast yet takes the mark so as to stop all his family & friends from being executed ?
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