Biblical proof that we the New Testament Church are true Israel today

[WPM]

I was talking about the Jews.

Stating facts. Hebrews, Israelites, and Jews have been worshipping Yahweh for centuries.
I have already said they missed the boat.
I am not making a case or justifying what they believe.

Jesus told to His Jewish followers prior to the cross, in John 10:14-16, “I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine. As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.”

Which Jews belong to this "one fold"? (1) Christ-loving Jews, (2) Christ-rejecting Jews or (3) both?

 

[WPM]

You cannot have a God. You can believe in Him. You can worship Him.

Do you even know what true worship is? Only those who are born of the Spirit worship Him in Spirit and in truth. Hello!

 

[Grailhunter]

Jesus told to His Jewish followers prior to the cross, in John 10:14-16, “I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine. As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.”

Which Jews belong to this "one fold"? (1) Christ-loving Jews, (2) Christ-rejecting Jews or (3) both?

Post 538

 

[Grailhunter]

Do you even know what true worship is? Only those who are born of the Spirit worship Him in Spirit and in truth. Hello!

Born again for Christians.
The Hebrews, Israelites, Jews have worshiped Yahweh for centuries.
Hello!

 

[WPM]

Post 538

Ok. Now we are getting somewhere. Who then were ushered in who were not of that fold?

 

[WPM]

Born again for Christians.
The Hebrews, Israelites, Jews have worshiped Yahweh for centuries.
Hello!

Which "Hebrews, Israelites, Jews have worshiped Yahweh for centuries"? All of them, some of them or only the elect remnant?

 

[Grailhunter]

Ok. Now we are getting somewhere. Who then were ushered in who were not of that fold?

Believers are the fold.
Unbelievers are not in fold.

 

[Grailhunter]

Which "Hebrews, Israelites, Jews have worshiped Yahweh for centuries"? All of them, some of them or only the elect remnant?

We cannot take a roll call of antient Israel. The phrase elect remnant does not occur in the scriptures.
But we have......
In the same way then, there has also come to be at the present time a remnant according to God’s gracious choice. Romans 11:5

Paul is drawing a parallel between Israel’s history and the present age. In earlier times, such as during Elijah’s ministry, God preserved a small faithful group among Israel (1 Kings 19:18) even when the majority was unfaithful. Similarly, in his own day, many Jews rejected Jesus as the Messiah, yet a remnant remained faithful to God

 

[WPM]

Believers are the fold.
Unbelievers are not in fold.

Old covenant believers and new covenant believers?

 

[WPM]

We cannot take a roll call of antient Israel. The phrase elect remnant does not occur in the scriptures.
But we have......
In the same way then, there has also come to be at the present time a remnant according to God’s gracious choice. Romans 11:5

Paul is drawing a parallel between Israel’s history and the present age. In earlier times, such as during Elijah’s ministry, God preserved a small faithful group among Israel (1 Kings 19:18) even when the majority was unfaithful. Similarly, in his own day, many Jews rejected Jesus as the Messiah, yet a remnant remained faithful to God

We know this. Can you answer the questions?

Which "Hebrews, Israelites, Jews have worshiped Yahweh for centuries"? All of them, some of them or only the elect remnant?

 

[Grailhunter]

Old covenant believers and new covenant believers?

New covenant believers.

 

[Grailhunter]

We know this. Can you answer the questions?

Which "Hebrews, Israelites, Jews have worshiped Yahweh for centuries"? All of them, some of them or only the elect remnant?

I did answer.....elect remnant is undefinded.
Just a matter of belief.

 

[WPM]

New covenant believers.

So, there were no old covenant believers that were part of Christ's fold?

 

[WPM]

I did answer.....elect remnant is undefinded.
Just a matter of belief.

You are avoiding again.

Which "Hebrews, Israelites, Jews have worshiped Yahweh for centuries"? All of them, some of them or only the elect remnant?

 

[covenantee]

You cannot have a God.

True. But you have the Father when you have the Son.

Here is a definition of what "to have" means.

"to be in living union with the Son (Christ) and the Father by faith, knowledge, profession, 1 John 2:23;"

Those are prerequisites to the worship of the Father. You cannot worship the Father in whom you have no faith, or about whom you have no knowledge or profession. You might call it worship, but it is only a sham.

 

[Grailhunter]

So, there were no old covenant believers that were part of Christ's fold?

Yeshua was born after the Old Covenant. They looked forward to a Messiah in the Old Testament....a human warlord king. So no Christians in the Old Testament.
Of course you can get into the pre-existing Yeshua thing.
But a God named Yeshua or the Son of God has no documented activity in the Old Testament.
What the New Testament is referring to Yeshua pre-existing is not clear exactly what that means.
Beside Yahweh stated a few times in the Old Testament that He was the only God and there was no one like Him.
The only name for a God that appeared in the older texts were Yahweh.

 

[Grailhunter]

You are avoiding again.

Which "Hebrews, Israelites, Jews have worshiped Yahweh for centuries"? All of them, some of them or only the elect remnant?

I did answer this. No category of people for elect remnant. Through the years people have come up with personal theological terms that are not in the scripture nor have a meaning in the scriptures.
So again my answer is---->Hebrews, Israelites, Jews have worshiped Yahweh for centuries.

 

[Grailhunter]

True. But you have the Father when you have the Son.

Here is a definition of what "to have" means.

"to be in living union with the Son (Christ) and the Father by faith, knowledge, profession, 1 John 2:23;"

Well I guess on judgment day tell God you own Him.

Those are prerequisites to the worship of the Father. You cannot worship the Father in whom you have no faith, or about whom you have no knowledge or profession. You might call it worship, but it is only a sham.

The whole Old Testament tells of their worship of Yahweh and His interaction with Him. Much more documented interaction with Him than with us.

 

[WPM]

Yeshua was born after the Old Covenant. They looked forward to a Messiah in the Old Testament....a human warlord king. So no Christians in the Old Testament.
Of course you can get into the pre-existing Yeshua thing.
But a God named Yeshua or the Son of God has no documented activity in the Old Testament.
What the New Testament is referring to Yeshua pre-existing is not clear exactly what that means.
Beside Yahweh stated a few times in the Old Testament that He was the only God and there was no one like Him.
The only name for a God that appeared in the older texts were Yahweh.

You really do not get it do you?

1. Jesus was born during the old covenant period. His death ushered in the new covenant. This is basic 101 biblical theology.
2. Christ is found throughout the Old Testament. Hello!
3. The flock (fold) Jesus spoke to (and about) were active before the new covenant arrived. Hello!

 

[WPM]

I did answer this. No category of people for elect remnant. Through the years people have come up with personal theological terms that are not in the scripture nor have a meaning in the scriptures.
So again my answer is---->Hebrews, Israelites, Jews have worshiped Yahweh for centuries.

The elect "remnant" (true Israel) are found and mentioned throughout the old and new testament. Obviously you have not been studying the subject in detail.