Flat Earth Theory
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Armour of God
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Can you answer my questions.
Why does the night sky in the northern hemisphere rotate counter clockwise and in the southern hemisphere it rotates clockwise?
When standing at sea level, the horizon is about 3 miles (4.7 kilometers) away before the Earth's curvature blocks your view. The planet drops away at a rate of roughly 8 inches per mile squared. Higher vantage points or tall objects let you see much farther
I’m not a believer of flat earth or globe, I have no idea what it is.
I’m open to seeing where God’s word proves it.
Over and over again, the same secular spew ala:
You haven't answered any of the scriptural imperatives that have been posted, relying instead on the world's carnality. Yet grace abounds.
1 Chr. 16:30
Fear before him, all the earth: the world also shall be stable, that it be not moved.
Psa. 33:9
For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast.
Psa. 93:1
The LORD reigneth, he is clothed with majesty; the LORD is clothed with strength, wherewith he hath girded himself: the world also is stablished, that it cannot be moved.
Psa. 96:10
Say among the heathen that the LORD reigneth: the world also shall be established that it shall not be moved: he shall judge the people righteously.
Psa. 104:5
Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.
PSA. 119:89-90
LAMED. For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven. Thy faithfulness is unto all generations: thou hast established the earth, and it abideth.
Isa. 14:7
The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing.
Isa. 45:18
For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.
Zec. 1:11
And they answered the angel of the LORD that stood among the myrtle trees, and said, We have walked to and fro through the earth, and, behold, all the earth sitteth still, and is at rest.
2 Pet. 3:5
For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
Indeed, it is made clear and plain throughout the Holy Bible that "the world" is enclosed and stationary and has never moved from its foundations and will never move from them until they perish and a new heaven and new earth come to be. Today, this is a mind blowing theology, but it should not be understood to be a new thought in Christendom. Indeed, many of the church founders believed it to be thus. Martin Luther chides Copernicus: "when a man wishes to be clever he must needs invent something special" - saying that it was common knowledge among scribe and bricklayer alike that the earth never moved.
@Peter1:
There is talk of a new astrologer [Copernicus] who wants to prove that the earth moves and goes around instead of the sky, the sun, the moon, just as if somebody were moving in a carriage or ship might hold that he was sitting still and at rest while the earth and the trees walked and moved. But that is how things are nowadays: when a man wishes to be clever he must needs invent something special, and the way he does it must needs be the best! The fool wants to turn the whole art of astronomy upside-down. However, as Holy Scripture tells us, so did Joshua bid the sun to stand still and not the earth. - Sixteenth century reformist Martin Luther, in his table book Tischreden, in response to Copernicus’ pamphlet Commentariolus, 1514.
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Rather, only an honest question is worthy of an honest reply.
You haven't answered any of the scriptural imperatives that have been posted, relying instead on the world's carnality. Yet grace abounds.
We can see Polaris, Ursa Major and Minor, and other northern constellations from every point north of the equator simultaneously but conversely cannot see the so-called south pole star Sigma Octantis, the Southern Cross, or other outer constellations simultaneously from every point south of the equator because they all sweep over a great southern arc from their rise in the evening to their setting in the morning.
1 Chr. 16:30
Fear before him, all the earth: the world also shall be stable, that it be not moved.
Psa. 33:9
For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast.
Psa. 93:1
The LORD reigneth, he is clothed with majesty; the LORD is clothed with strength, wherewith he hath girded himself: the world also is stablished, that it cannot be moved.
Psa. 96:10
Say among the heathen that the LORD reigneth: the world also shall be established that it shall not be moved: he shall judge the people righteously.
Psa. 104:5
Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.
PSA. 119:89-90
LAMED. For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven. Thy faithfulness is unto all generations: thou hast established the earth, and it abideth.
Isa. 14:7
The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing.
Isa. 45:18
For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.
Zec. 1:11
And they answered the angel of the LORD that stood among the myrtle trees, and said, We have walked to and fro through the earth, and, behold, all the earth sitteth still, and is at rest.
2 Pet. 3:5
For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
Jesus said that God so loved the world that he sent his only begotten Son, so that whosoever believes in him should not perish but have everlasting life. What is important to realize is that Jesus spoke of "the" world and not the myriad of planets and possible alien life that (according to him) does not and cannot exist. Were he to have spoken of angels, he would have made it plain, but instead, he chose to talk of one world and one sentient race of mankind. This should not go unnoticed, and should immediately cause some concern for those interested in believing in extraterrestrial intelligent creatures.
Indeed, it is made clear and plain throughout the Holy Bible that "the world" is enclosed and stationary and has never moved from its foundations and will never move from them until they perish and a new heaven and new earth come to be. Today, this is a mind blowing theology, but it should not be understood to be a new thought in Christendom. Indeed, many of the church founders believed it to be thus. Martin Luther chides Copernicus: "when a man wishes to be clever he must needs invent something special" - saying that it was common knowledge among scribe and bricklayer alike that the earth never moved.
@Peter1:
Meanwhile, a lie travels throughout the world and back, before truth puts its boots on. Too few professed believers bring scripture to the table. Witness the 125 pages of this thread and the manifestations of the blinded versus the patience of the truth lovers. The deceived must cling to each new worldly outburst as desperately as the previous, because he has no frame of reference. When the word of God is brought to bear, the light exposes the darkness; deceptions vanish and truth is restored.
There is talk of a new astrologer [Copernicus] who wants to prove that the earth moves and goes around instead of the sky, the sun, the moon, just as if somebody were moving in a carriage or ship might hold that he was sitting still and at rest while the earth and the trees walked and moved. But that is how things are nowadays: when a man wishes to be clever he must needs invent something special, and the way he does it must needs be the best! The fool wants to turn the whole art of astronomy upside-down. However, as Holy Scripture tells us, so did Joshua bid the sun to stand still and not the earth. - Sixteenth century reformist Martin Luther, in his table book Tischreden, in response to Copernicus’ pamphlet Commentariolus, 1514.
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What a conspiracy thread unbelievable I am done with this one - why did you remove your COVID post from the bottom of your thread?Embarrassed by it?
You seem to be okay using everything that science has created your surrounded by it why not reject it and live in the woods.Throw your phone away and your laptop and everything else around you.
You seem to be okay using everything that science has created your surrounded by it why not reject it and live in the woods.Throw your phone away and your laptop and everything else around you.
FYI, "conspiracy" is another one of those biblical words (evidently, foreign to you).
conspiracy (qešer) appears 16 times in the Holy Bible:
conspiracy 9x
treason 5x
confederacy 2x
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Rather, it's never been removed.
You may be 'surrounded by science', but I am not.
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Everything from a fork to you house has been created by science are you blind too.You using something to post here that was created by science or do you deny it.How are you doing it then?
Where is the COVID post at the bottom of your thread your lying too now - its gone!
Where is the COVID post at the bottom of your thread your lying too now - its gone!
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David in NJ
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#1 WATER can never adhere to a ball
#2 - WATER will never adhere to a ball spinning at 1,000mph
Therefore, all other "evidence" that does not agree with the Laws of Physics/WATER is invalid.
David in NJ
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Only the surface of the earth is a level plane - with deep oceans, valleys and Mountains.
The earth itself is very deep, going hundreds of miles down, possibly thousands of miles deep.
David in NJ
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There is no evidence of a globe earth.
The supposed curvature has been debunked.
World record long distance photo is approximately 470 miles - straight line photo of distant mountain.
Cameras from HIGH altitude show a flat earth surface in all directions.
Curved earth photos are accomplished with fish-eye lenses.
How do you know the earth is a level plane? All we can go on is what other people tell us, we can’t verify it for ourselves.
David in NJ
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God told us we live upon the expanse of the earth = Job 38:18
The Physical Law that governs WATER proves beyond the shadow of a doubt.
| Strong's Lexicon Have you surveyed הִ֭תְבֹּנַנְתָּ (hiṯ·bō·nan·tā) Verb - Hitpael - Perfect - second person masculine singular Strong's Hebrew 995: 1) to discern, understand, consider 1a) (Qal) 1a1) to perceive, discern 1a2) to understand, know (with the mind) 1a3) to observe, mark, give heed to, distinguish, consider 1a4) to have discernment, insight, understanding 1b) (Niphal) to be discerning, intelligent, discreet, have understanding 1c) (Hiphil) 1c1) to understand 1c2) to cause to understand, give understanding, teach 1d) (Hithpolel) to show oneself discerning or attentive, consider diligently 1e) (Polel) to teach, instruct 2) (TWOT) prudent, regard עַד־ (‘aḏ-) Preposition Strong's Hebrew 5704: prep 1) as far as, even to, until, up to, while, as far as 1a) of space 1a1) as far as, up to, even to 1b) in combination 1b1) from...as far as, both...and (with 'min' -from) 1c) of time 1c1) even to, until, unto, till, during, end 1d) of degree 1d1) even to, to the degree of, even like conj 2) until, while, to the point that, so that even the extent רַחֲבֵי־ (ra·ḥă·ḇê-) Noun - masculine plural construct Strong's Hebrew 7338: 1) breadth, broad or wide expanse of the earth ? אָ֑רֶץ (’ā·reṣ) Noun - feminine singular Strong's Hebrew 776: 1) land, earth 1a) earth 1a1) whole earth (as opposed to a part) 1a2) earth (as opposed to heaven) 1a3) earth (inhabitants) 1b) land 1b1) country, territory 1b2) district, region 1b3) tribal territory 1b4) piece of ground 1b5) land of Canaan, Israel 1b6) inhabitants of land 1b7) Sheol, land without return, (under) world 1b8) city (-state) 1c) ground, surface of the earth 1c1) ground 1c2) soil 1d) (in phrases) 1d1) people of the land 1d2) space or distance of country (in measurements of distance) 1d3) level or plain country 1d4) land of the living 1d5) end(s) of the earth 1e) (almost wholly late in usage) 1e1) lands, countries 1e1a) often in contrast to Canaan Tell [Me], הַ֝גֵּ֗ד (hag·gêḏ) Verb - Hifil - Imperative - masculine singular Strong's Hebrew 5046: 1) to be conspicuous, tell, make known 1a) (Hiphil) to tell, declare 1a1) to tell, announce, report 1a2) to declare, make known, expound 1a3) to inform of 1a4) to publish, declare, proclaim 1a5) to avow, acknowledge, confess 1a5a) messenger (participle) 1b) (Hophal) to be told, be announced, be reported if אִם־ (’im-) Conjunction Strong's Hebrew 518: 1) if 1a) conditional clauses 1a1) of possible situations 1a2) of impossible situations 1b) oath contexts 1b1) no, not 1c) if...if, whether...or, whether...or...or 1d) when, whenever 1e) since 1f) interrogative particle 1g) but rather you know יָדַ֥עְתָּ (yā·ḏa‘·tā) Verb - Qal - Perfect - second person masculine singular Strong's Hebrew 3045: 1) to know 1a) (Qal) 1a1) to know 1a1a) to know, learn to know 1a1b) to perceive 1a1c) to perceive and see, find out and discern 1a1d) to discriminate, distinguish 1a1e) to know by experience 1a1f) to recognise, admit, acknowledge, confess 1a1g) to consider 1a2) to know, be acquainted with 1a3) to know (a person carnally) 1a4) to know how, be skilful in 1a5) to have knowledge, be wise 1b) (Niphal) 1b1) to be made known, be or become known, be revealed 1b2) to make oneself known 1b3) to be perceived 1b4) to be instructed 1c) (Piel) to cause to know 1d) (Poal) to cause to know 1e) (Pual) 1e1) to be known 1e2) known, one known, acquaintance (participle) 1f) (Hiphil) to make known, declare 1g) (Hophal) to be made known 1h) (Hithpael) to make oneself known, reveal oneself all this. כֻלָּֽהּ׃ (ḵul·lāh) Noun - masculine singular construct | third person feminine singular Strong's Hebrew 3605: 1) all, the whole 1a) all, the whole of 1b) any, each, every, anything 1c) totality, everything |
...and with the swap-out of flat windows for curved windows in commercial airplanes in 1954.
Rather, believers "go on" the word of God as our final authority in all matters of faith and practice.
You can, even using secular data. Go to any Earth Curve Calculator. Check the following info:
Plug in 470 miles (756 kilometers).
If the earth is a ball, then there should be nearly 12 mi/20 km of earth curvature hiding that mountain from the camera!
("Longest line of sight on earth photographed")
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The Bible is a theological text rather than a modern scientific manual, using observational poetry to describe creation rather than dictating physical dimensions.
You lied.
...and I live in a theocracy. Where do you "live"?
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Any 'poetical' guesses as to the physical size (and location) of "the lake of fire"?
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David in NJ
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amigo de christo
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Who is the great deciever , the one who convinced the woman to eat of the tree . That one deceives .
But did you know that all false religoins , as well as non beleiving in JESUS jews
are actually trapped in his bondage and in his lie and still in sin and will face only the second death .
And did you know that a wh ole heap of them all now
believe this great deceiver who has yet again said HAS GOD really said
YE must believe and then says nay nay not necessary ............for all religoins are serving the same GOD in different ways .
Ever get the feeling that in part it is the same god they all are heeding . ONLY notice i said god and NOT GOD .
Cause GOD aint in the business of DENYING TRUTH . Only the serpent does that .
Someone is and has been lying to planet earth , to the false religoins and oh yes to a whole heap of christendom too .
And worse it seems a whole lotta someones sure seem to LOVE A LIE . And have zero love for TRUTH .
but then one cannot love both a lie and truth . ITS ONE or the other but will never be both .
AND since we are on the subject of truth , i just wanted to let us all know something that SOME of us sheep already do know .
That T RUTH is not just an idea , TRUTH ITSELF IS A BEING . NOT just a being but THE VERY CREATOR of all that was and is .
I AM THE TRUTH , THE WAY , as in ONLY WAY , and THE LIFE . And NO man comes to the FATHER but by ME .
And seeing HE IS THE TRUTH , well we both KNOW its IMPOSSIBLE for HIM TO LIE .
But its not impossible for the devil to do so or man , or the harlot . NO they do lie .
AND a lie the sheep DO NOT BUY . FOR JESUS , WHO IS THE TRUTH and came TO TESTIFY OF THE TRUTH
has HIS SHEEP david . OH HE has HIS sheep and they do count the cost
and have bought the TRUTH and shall sell her not . FOR HIS SHEEP HEAR HIS V OICE . just a friendly reminder for us all .
You don't have to hang around. You're free to fellowship with anyone or not fellowship. Our purpose here is to stand on the truth of God's Word and encourage others to do so as well.
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