After your born again do you think you will never sin again?

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After your born again do you think you will never sin again?

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1stCenturyLady

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Then you... reject, I guess )... what Paul says in Romans 8...

"There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus...

Is there a period at the end of that statement, or a condition?

Read it again from a whole Bible. For we are to live by EVERY WORD OF GOD.

Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.

Sorry, that's as far as I got in your post, and I have to go take my shower because I have a guest coming in an hour. I'll finish later... I am curious what else you wrote and believe.
 
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Well, I've been abiding in Christ for so long I don't know any other way to live, and, no, I cannot lose my salvation. But that is me and my life, and the power I've received from Jesus. I cannot speak for anyone else.

I don't believe in today's slant on OSAS, because you must stay ignorant of warnings about the damage false teachers can do to you that are too clear to deny. Some teaching OSAS teach their false beliefs on salvation and send many to hell with their lax attitude and unawareness of the Spirit trying in vain to get through to their deaf ears.

What do you do with 2 Peter 2:18 "For when they speak great swelling words of emptiness, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through lewdness, the ones who have actually escaped from those who live in error. 19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are slaves of corruption; for by whom a person is overcome, by him also he is brought into bondage. 20 For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. 21 For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them. 22 But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: “A dog returns to his own vomit,” and, “a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire.”"
Escaping the "pollutions of this world" isn't a reference to salvation.
For instance a person derived from drugs through faith in Jesus...then returns to drugs has a great chance of ending up worse than when they were first delivered.
If the person was truly saved despite returning to drugs they are still saved...as we are saved by grace and held in salvation by grace.
I highlighted a verse that sends shivers down my back. Did you know that God sometimes denies repentance to someone? Maybe that is what I highlighted means. But there is another that is even worse I won't talk about until I'm sure.
God has on occasion hardened someones heart...Pharaoh is an example.
Works performed? I don't believe that teaching. Mine is more along the lines of NOT committing willful sins unto death, as opposed to never missing church or paying exactly 10% tithe or some other physical work.


Many from my belief? Who? I'd like to know. Don't throw me into the mix of some denomination! Please!

I believe what the Apostles taught, and haven't found a denomination from after the Apostles that teach the simple gospel that I am not the author of my faith - Jesus is. And I'm not the finisher of my faith. Jesus is. And His Spirit rules my conscience. All I have to do is must obey my conscience, His home base, and never go against it due to the sleepless nights they could cause.

My beliefs are about what Jesus taught having to do with why Jesus came. The plan for His coming started the moment Adam sinned and obeyed Satan.
The plan began prior to the earth even being created.
The major subject is about SIN and defeating Satan. He was manifested to take away our sin, and in Him is no sin.
Yes ALL of our sins, past, present and future were nailed to the cross. At the moment of salvation our sins were imputed to Christ and His righteousness was imputed to us
I didn't. It never came up. I'm more interested in correcting the false teachings of the past 1,900 years. Like what is the true meaning of God's grace?

I'll ask you.

Also, does your belief about sin just call "sin is sin"? If not, what?
In a sense yes..but I believe some sins will earn you a deeper place in hell.
 

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Our major difference is you started by saying as if it is a fact, "when we sin in the future"! Speak for yourself. I'm a Christian. Don't you know that the gospel is the POWER OF GOD in us, and His righteousness is revealed in us from faith to faith? Does God sin? I don't willfully sin. Do you? Are you so sure you will in the future? Do you even know what "faith to faith" means?
Do I sometimes willfully sin? Like every christian..that answer is an absolute yes. If you disagree then I could easily say you are guilty of pride.
And I see you are not listening. Turn up your hearing aids my friend. I already said I'm not losing my salvation. Yet you repeat yourself. Oy veh!
You just willfully sinned when you in an arrogant pious manner told me to turn up my hearing aid. In your pride you will argue that you didn't.
But I will NOT flippantly say that no one can't. That is heresy, and of the devil. He loves that you believe what you do about a twisted OSAS. There is a true one, but you aren't even aware of it. It is what I teach based on our abiding in Him. So simple and light.
My reasons are not flippant. Once again you show your prideful arrogance when you make such statements.

My belief is based upon scripture that says no one can snatch you from Jesus or the Fathers hand....or nothing can separate us from the love of God...or you're saved by grace and maintained in salvation by grace. I see NONE of this as flippant. Once again your pride is sneaking in.
 

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Is there a period at the end of that statement, or a condition?

Read it again from a whole Bible. For we are to live by EVERY WORD OF GOD.

Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.

Sorry, that's as far as I got in your post, and I have to go take my shower because I have a guest coming in an hour. I'll finish later... I an curious what else you wrote and believe.
That verse can easily be understood as ...Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, (That is us christians) who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. ...In this verse Paul is explaining the position of a christian not a condition of a christian,
 

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It is horrendous that anyone believes like Martin Luther who obviously believed in OSAS and that the blood of Jesus cleanses our present and future sins unto death when he wrote to a friend, "even if you commit murder and adultery 1,000 times a day, it would not separate you from God."

It is horrendous, like advocating TO DO the opposite of what God wills AND still be acceptable to God.

(W, for years I had heard the Church call the process of maturing we go through, "sanctification" but it always appeared to be written as "past tense" like in Hebrews 10:26-31, so I prayed and told God I didn't think "sanctification" was the right word, so what do YOU call it? He immediately filled me with goose bumps and plainly said, "glorification." AMAZING.

It is amazing. Debauchery. Glorification. Not the same.

What do you do with verses that say we are free from sin like Romans 6:5-7 and 22, I think. Romans 6 is only talking about mortal sins. And which of the two types of sin are you talking about?

I always go back to the 2 trees in the Garden. Following God, the tree of Life and the other tree; believing AND acting per God’s will and the alternative. Most admit Judas and Peter have different fates even though both betrayed Jesus.
 

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Is there a period at the end of that statement, or a condition?
Well, here's the English Standard Version:

"There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death."

Yes. there absolutely is a period, in the English Standard Version... and New American Standard Bible, at least, which are my translations of choice. Others are fine, but I prefer the ESV and NASB. Paul's next sentence begins with 'for,' which is the ESV equivalent of what you're trying to refer to (presumably in the New King James Version (NKJV). But that word 'for' is a preposition, which means it indicates that what precedes the 'for' ~ in this case that there is no more condemnation for sin ~ is a direct result of what comes after the 'for' ~ in this case having been set free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death. And this has been accomplished by our having been set free to the law of the Spirit of life. There is no "condition." The same explanation is true regarding the KJV... there is no condemnation because they ~ we ~ walk according to the Spirit... as a consequence of the fact that they ~ we ~ do walk according to the Spirit and not the flesh. And it's because of what God has done for us. Let's go on there and let Paul finish what he's saying:

"For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit."

God has Himself fulfilled the condition. More correctly, He in the Person of Jesus Christ, has fulfilled the law perfectly and satisfied God's justice, paying the wages of sin ~ death ~ on our behalf. And, as Peter says, God "has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an inheritance that is imperishable, undefiled, and unfading, kept in heaven for you, who by God’s power are being guarded through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time."

Read it again from a whole Bible.
I would exhort you to do the same.

For we are to live by EVERY WORD OF GOD.
Absolutely.

Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.
Ahhh, you're reading that incorrectly. See above...

Again, there is no condition that we have to meet there. The comma you're referring to doesn't indicate a condition, but that what precedes it is a consequence of what follows it. It's the equivalent of a 'because,' or a 'for,' or a 'since,' so... "There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus because/for/since (they) do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. And why do we walk according to the Spirit? Well, because we are born again of the Spirit:

"We are no longer dead in the trespasses and sins in which we once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience ~ among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the flesh and the mind... are no longer children of wrath, like the rest of mankind" (Ephesians 2:1-3).​
And continuing there in Ephesians 2, "God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ⁠ ~ by grace we have been saved ~ and raised us up with Him and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. For by grace we have been saved through faith. And this is not our own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them" (Ephesians 2:4-10) .​

You see? Surely you do... So, yes, there is no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus because they ~ we ~ do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. But even the credit for that belongs to God; God, by giving them ~ us ~ new birth in the Spirit, has enabled them ~ us ~ to walk according to the Spirit and not according to the flesh. And this is why there is therefore now no condemnation to those who are born again of the Spirit and therefore in Christ Jesus.

Sorry, that's as far as I got in your post...
As far as you got? Or as far as you wanted to go? <smile>

, and I have to go take my shower because I have a guest coming in an hour. I'll finish later... I an curious what else you wrote and believe.
I'll look forward to it. <smile>

Grace and peace to you.
 
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It is horrendous, like advocating TO DO the opposite of what God wills AND still be acceptable to God.
Martin Luther was in no way advocating sin. But if God has set His affection on you... and caused you to be born again by the Spirit, and thus made you of Himself... you cannot do anything to make yourself unacceptable to God. Now can you still do unacceptable things? Certainly, and there are consequences for that, sometimes what we would consider to be terrible consequences. But yet God disciplines those He loves (Hebrews 12:6), but still, there is no condemnation. Others (those not in Christ) He gives over to their own selfish passions and desires (Romans 1) ~ because they have exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator... and therefore remain "dead in the trespasses and sins in which they walk, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience⁠ and remain children of wrath (Ephesians 2:1-3)... they are not born again and they remain under condemnation.

Again, Paul answers this very thing in Romans 6: "What then? Are we to sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means! Do you not know that if you present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness? But thanks be to God, that you who were once slaves of sin have become obedient from the heart to the standard of teaching to which you were committed, and, having been set free from sin, have become slaves of righteousness."

There are certainly sill consequences for sin, even for those who are born again of the Spirit and therefore in Christ Jesus. But there is no more condemnation.

It is amazing. Debauchery. Glorification. Not the same.
<eye roll>

I always go back to the 2 trees in the Garden. Following God, the tree of Life and the other tree; believing AND acting per God’s will and the alternative.
I'm not even sure what you're trying to say here... But see above.

Most admit Judas and Peter have different fates even though both betrayed Jesus.
Peter did not betray Jesus. Both Judas and Peter were present when Jesus said "one of you will betray me," you know. <smile>

Grace and peace to you, Wrangler.
 

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Escaping the "pollutions of this world" isn't a reference to salvation.
For instance a person derived from drugs through faith in Jesus...then returns to drugs has a great chance of ending up worse than when they were first delivered.
If the person was truly saved despite returning to drugs they are still saved...as we are saved by grace and held in salvation by grace.
9 For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins.

What you've probably never been taught and still don't know is that what is cleansed in us is our nature that many in the Church call our sin nature. Paul calls it the "old man" in Romans 6:5-7 that in a born again of the Spirit person is DEAD. That frees us from willful sins unto death, and because of the indwelling Spirit, we are no longer "in the flesh," Romans 7:5-6 and Romans 8:9. Our new imputed righteousness eventually becomes true righteousness, 1 John 3:7, and the continuing abiding in Jesus lets Him Finish His work to where we "never stumble." That is true holiness, the goal of Jesus for His people. Not the demonic tale of the blood of Jesus blinding the Father's eyes to the sins we keep repeating in the present and future.
God has on occasion hardened someones heart...Pharaoh is an example.
Actually Pharaoh's heart was already hard from his own will. God just hardened his choice to finally free His people.
The plan began prior to the earth even being created.
Touche! Yes, before the foundation of the earth.

When you die will you still be willfully sinning do you suppose?
Yes ALL of our sins, past, present and future were nailed to the cross. At the moment of salvation our sins were imputed to Christ and His righteousness was imputed to us
But Scripture only says past. Show me where it is actually written "past, present and future sins." You won't find it because it is not true, and the Spirit is Truth.
In a sense yes..but I believe some sins will earn you a deeper place in hell.
So you are answering my question on SIN, that you've been taught, yes, that "sin is sin." Nope, there are levels. There are two. It is interesting that Revelation 22:11 says, " He who is unjust, let him be unjust still; he who is filthy, let him be filthy still; he who is righteous, let him be righteous still; he who is holy, let him be holy still.” Two levels. And two works of Jesus in us - Author and Finisher. Jesus starts with the worst of two types of sin that John mentions in 1 John 5:16-17, "sins unto death" and "sins not unto death." Scripture also uses another two words regarding the same thing, "unintentional" and "willful." This is where the Roman Catholic Church was still more knowledgeable than the following church age, the Reformation, calling them by two different names, "mortal" and "venial." To the Church of Sardis (Reformation) which is the next church age following Thyatira (RCC) Jesus scolded Sardis saying about those at the beginning of the Reformation, "you have a name (reputation) that you are alive, but you are dead." However, Jesus also said, "You have a few names even in Sardis who have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with Me in white, for they are worthy. If you know church history, that is obviously John Wesley who started the holiness movement. In Christ's letter to the Reformation He tells them at the beginning "Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die." I believe the only doctrine the Reformation messed up totally was on the two types of sin that Jesus takes away, starting with the worst in one swell swipe, willful sins unto death. Then as the Finisher, Jesus matures the fruit of the Spirit, one fruit at a time until in 2 Peter 1:5-11, particularly verse 10 "you will never stumble."

We are actually righteous, not just imputed with Christ's righteousness, 1 John 3;7, when He cleanses our sin nature, making it clean. John 15:3. But after Jesus has finished what He started we are actually holy. What does your denomination say about when you are holy, not just imputed righteousness, that many of today's teachers tell us that we will never be righteous ourselves because of our sin nature, only showing imputed righteousness to the Father's eyes?
Do I sometimes willfully sin? Like every christian..that answer is an absolute yes. If you disagree then I could easily say you are guilty of pride.
That makes me really feel sorry for you. It is Jesus who takes away our sin. I just abide IN Him. You can call it pride if you want, I call it grateful.
You just willfully sinned when you in an arrogant pious manner told me to turn up my hearing aid. In your pride you will argue that you didn't.
That was a joke. If you can't tell, you might be older than me! By misquoting me, that was a lie, that I could have instead called you out on, so don't point fingers.
My reasons are not flippant. Once again you show your prideful arrogance when you make such statements.

My belief is based upon scripture that says no one can snatch you from Jesus or the Fathers hand....or nothing can separate us from the love of God...or you're saved by grace and maintained in salvation by grace. I see NONE of this as flippant. Once again your pride is sneaking in.
This opens up a whole new lesson, that I doubt that you are capable of believing or even wanting to learn. The verse about "snatching" is about those "given to Jesus by the Father". If you really study the gospels, you would know that was only applying to the Apostles.
That verse can easily be understood as ...Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, (That is us christians) who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. ...In this verse Paul is explaining the position of a christian not a condition of a christian,
You must first be born again of the Spirit in order to not walk according to the flesh, but be able to walk according to the Spirit. Many people in the Church, especially those in denominations that were started from the beginning of the Reformation, and not 200 years later, know little about the Spirit. I was raised in a denomination even later, but wasn't saved, because I could still willfully break commandments. Now I can't, because on 2/9/77 when about 30, I was finally born again of the Spirit and I even felt a heaviness lift out of my body, and the knowledge it was the filth from my nature. I also saw a vision, and heard God speak 8 sentences directly to me that seared right through me that I will never forget. Up until that time not one prayer in my whole church life was ever answered. Now because He has given me ears to hear, I wait until He tells me what to pray, and 100% of those prayers are answered.
 

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I've been on forums where I've had to challenge someone who refused to read the Old Testament. We can still learn how God views sin from the Old Testament. Unintentional sins had a sacrifice, but intentional breaking of a commandment DID NOT. They stoned them to death. For this I turn to Numbers 15:22-36.

Another thing is God views sin as two types, not the heretical "sin is sin" of today that has been taught for the last 500 years to Protestants that caused a doctrine of demons regarding Christ's sacrifice covering all sins even future, when Peter says only all past sins. 2 Peter 1:5-11. It is heresy to do with us viewing Jesus blood to cover our "past, present, and future" sins unto death, even done intentionally. God will not be mocked like this. Even the Catholics know the difference between their mortal and venial sins. We have His Spirit (if indeed we've been born again.) that the Old Testament Jews didn't have that keeps us from sinning. 1 John 3:9. Protestants add the word "practice" when it can't apply as chapter 3 is only about LAWLESSNESS vs. 4. Those are sins unto death. It's like practicing murder. WHAT? Once is too many! John 15:3 about sin is that Christians are "clean." That is of the evil desire to commit mortal sins.

The fruit of the Spirit is what venial sins are about that Jesus, now as the Finisher of our faith, not just the Author of our faith regarding mortal sins, is maturing our fruit for the long process the Protestant Church erroneously calls "sanctification." For instance. 1 John 1:7 tells us that when walking in the Spirit/Light Jesus is still cleansing us from actions from immature fruit. It is horrendous that anyone believes like Martin Luther who obviously believed in OSAS and that the blood of Jesus cleanses our present and future sins unto death when he wrote to a friend, "even if you commit murder and adultery 1,000 times a day, it would not separate you from God."

(W, for years I had heard the Church call the process of maturing we go through, "sanctification" but it always appeared to be written as "past tense" like in Hebrews 10:26-31, so I prayed and told God I didn't think "sanctification" was the right word, so what do YOU call it? He immediately filled me with goose bumps and plainly said, "glorification." AMAZING. The Church teaches that is after death! Nope, it is becoming conformed to the image of Christ who gives us glory. John 17:20-23.)


What do you do with verses that say we are free from sin like Romans 6:5-7 and 22, I think. Romans 6 is only talking about mortal sins. And which of the two types of sin are you talking about? I imagine venial sins NOT unto death, and that would be correct. But take heart, He will even complete us in this lifetime. Philippians 1:6.
Yes i was just reading this with my dear sister last night .
Presumptous sin .
And now a word .
IF by two or t hree witnesses under the law one could be put to death
HOW MUCH WORSE for t hose who b ought a false love of an ecumeincal h arlot and her interfaith
which TROD the dire necessity to even have to BELEIVE ON JESUS under foot .
SO much for the love of the world that so many now beleive to be THE LOVE OF GOD .
IT led them into great rebellion and shall lead them all to the day of their own perdition .
We really should have stuck in the scriptures . We really should have loved HE who is ab le to save
those who come unto GOD by HIM . But the peoples loved a lie that pandered to their sins
and now to even UNBELIEF . The end for such will not be good .
But by grace i did warn . I knew i could never stop what was coming , but by grace i could expose it
and warn all not to enter into its covenant of peace and of a harlots love .
 
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I think rather than "just do it:. It is more like "just believe". Though 'doing it' is belief in action. It is a belief that is willing to trust God and not follow the path of sin. As Paul said our flesh natures makes us want to do what we don't want to do. Its a temptation and inclination we have that we are prone to rebel.

Belief is trusting God despite our flesh natures. Its sacrificing our flesh as Christ did. It is the disposition of submitting to Gods will that we crucify our flesh just as Christ obeyed Hs Fathers will.
 
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For if any cometh and preaches another jesus ............
WE WOULD DO WELL to take heed to that my friend and my friends .
Cause by means of a ecuemincal inclusive harlot and her cup of fornication which she calls love
Has taken a massive number within christendom right to a harlots love and now
even unto the peace of interfaith , WHICH BE OF ANTI CHRIST .
Were we not warned a massive and great falling away would occur .
WERE we not warned that many would follow those perniscious ways by reason
of whom , THE BIBICAL GOD , BIBLICAL CHRIST , HIS WORD , TRUTH , would be evil spoken against .
That indeed the TIME would come when many WOULD no longer endure sound doctrine .
That indeed because the love , FOR GOD TRUTH , would wax cold DUE TO INQUITY would ab ound .
And now i see rainbows
and now i see even korans and b udda statues getting kissed for world peace
You ever get the feeling THIS BE A STRONG DELUSION .
A delusion sent unto all who rejected the love of the TRUTH
The false religoins even now merging with christendom , well with the dECIEVED within christendom .
Something GOT SENT . and IT was sENT unto a very rebellios generation
One that had ZERO d esire to even hear or be reminded of TRUTH .
What many now call love and see as lov ing , HAS ONLY LED THEM
into a very deep and deeper HATRED for .........................................THE TRUTH .
For every time a man even comes into such places using the very Words of GOD
They rise as one and say HEY HATER , HEY JUDGER , Leave your hate speech at the door
or GET OUT , cause GOD is love . OH I KNOW GOD IS LOVE mr stevens on the bay
BUT WHAT THEY DONT KNOW IS
HIS LOVE WOULD NEVER have omitted THE TRUTH in favor of sins and lies . sOMEONE LIED TO THEM my friend .
Yes the sneaky devil. His greatest lie was convincing people he and sin don't exist.
 
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Yes the sneaky devil. His greatest lie was convincing people he and sin don't exist.
and indeed for look at what he has done within much of even christendom itself .
Now in the begining of creation a man had been created and from man God made woman .
And the most subtile creature of all said unto her
HAS GOD really said . God had told them in the day ye eat t hereof ye shall surely die .
The serpent said , surely ye shall not die .
And onward through the ages humanity went blind and trapped in the darkness of sin and of death .
Until the one TRUE CHRIST OF GOD did come unto whom all prophets had pointed too .
And he too said IF ye BELIEVE NOT IN ME ye shall DIE in your sins .
And soon thereafter the serpent did come and say HAs GOD really said YE must BELIEVE ON CHRIST JESUS .
And then sold his all inclusive false love ecumiencal lie and said , SURELY YE SHALL NOT DIE
for God is love and his road is inclusive and broad . NOW WHICH ONE YA THINK i am gonna believe .
A hint , IF GOD said IT , ME believes it and thus IF JESUS said it , OH IT DID COME OF GOD and IS TRUE . AMEN and
forever amen .
 

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It amazes how a person can claim to be perfect, free from ever sinning yet that same person was admitting that they intentionally sinned multiple times not very long ago. That's delusional to the extreme
 
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It amazes how a person can claim to be perfect, free from ever sinning yet that same person was admitting that they intentionally sinned multiple times not very long ago. That's delusional to the extreme
I wrote a post on LYING where I was wrongly accusing myself of lying and forced to sin. Come to find out I didn't sin at all, anymore than people not admitting they were hiding Jews from the Nazis in WWII, so I found peace. Is that what you are pointing your finger at? I hope not as that would be a sin of bearing false witness with malice. And I think you may have even enjoyed it!

But it couldn't have been me you are lying about, because I never said I was "perfect." Or was that yet another bearing false witness? And calling me names like "delusional to the extreme"? It was never my intent in writing that post on lying to actually CAUSE malicious people to lie themselves!

Anyway, God knows my heart, and unfortunately he knows yours as well.
 
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I see a great deal of equivocation over the word sin in this thread. Sin is “any want of conformity unto, or transgression of, the law of God.” It includes both doing what God forbids and failing to do what God commands.


We must also distinguish Adam’s guilt from the corruption inherited through the fall. Adam, as our federal head, represented humanity in his transgression (Romans 5:12-19). Those who are united to Christ no longer bear Adam’s guilt or condemnation, but the effects of the fall remain within us. We still do what we do not want to do, and fail to do what we ought.


Sanctification is the continuing work of the Holy Spirit by which the Christian is increasingly freed from the power of sin and enabled to obey God. A Christian can resist and overcome particular sins, but no Christian attains sinless perfection in this life. The remaining corruption of our nature is finally removed when we are glorified and raised with Christ.


So, can a Christian stop committing a particular sin? Yes. Can a Christian become entirely free from all sin in this life, including sinful desires, actions, and failures to fulfill God’s law perfectly? No.
 

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I wrote a post on LYING where I was wrongly accusing myself of lying and forced to sin. Come to find out I didn't sin at all, anymore than people not admitting they were hiding Jews from the Nazis in WWII, so I found peace. Is that what you are pointing your finger at? I hope not as that would be a sin of bearing false witness with malice. And I think you may have even enjoyed it!

But it couldn't have been me you are lying about, because I never said I was "perfect." Or was that yet another bearing false witness? And calling me names like "delusional to the extreme"? It was never my intent in writing that post on lying to actually CAUSE malicious people to lie themselves!

Anyway, God knows my heart, and unfortunately he knows yours as well.
have you e ver wondered why on earth folks do not want to beleive that if one followed
the Spirit they would not fullfill the lusts of the flesh .
ALSO remember the flesh is contrary and it will pop contrary thoughts into our heads .
That part is not us sinning . But who and what we obey will determine if whether we sin or not .
In other words when a lustful thought OF THE CARNAL FLESH does pop into the mind to tempt us
Are we gonna obey the SPIRIT that would have us shut the thought out
OR are we gonna entertain the thought . Some folks are dumb enough to actually
beleive that if a believer in Christ actually lays with another mans wife , OH ITS NOT HIM SINNING . THAT BE A LIE .
Now if a thought popped into my head when i saw a lovely lady that tempted me to go up and try and seduce her
WELL the thought came of the flesh , BUT who i obey will determine whether i sin or dont sin .
IN OTHER WORDS my near and my dear friends , IF i dont heed the alarm bells of THE SPIRIT
that DARN SURE WOULD alert me to SHUT DOWN that thought
but rather entertain it and go up to the woman and begin to smooth talk . SORRY BUT THAT IS SIN
and its what i would be obeying if i did that . BUT if i heed the alarm bells of the SPIRIT
and quickly look away and dont act it out . WELL THEN i did not sin , it was the flesh only that tempted me .
 

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I see a great deal of equivocation over the word sin in this thread. Sin is “any want of conformity unto, or transgression of, the law of God.” It includes both doing what God forbids and failing to do what God commands.
However, the writer of this OP does not know that SIN comes in two levels. You use the term "God commands." That is the worst level of sin Scripture called "sins unto death," "presumptuous sins," "willful sins," "intentional sins," "lawlessness," and ("mortal sins" by the Roman Catholic Church) that under the OT law there were no sacrifices that covered this deadly type of sin. They stoned them to death, or at the very least put them out of the camp. Only the blood of Jesus covers this type of sin and only from our past when we have truly repented and are born again of the Spirit. Not the demonic doctrine of demons which adds the terms "present and future sins" AND even with regards to mortal willful sins that a true Christian cannot commit. That's not as easy as it sounds. Many Christians are not saved. I know, because I went to church for 30 years before I was actually freed from sin and saved. I literally felt a dark heaviness lift out of my body on 2/9/77 and I never wanted to commit this particular and worst type of sin since. This is Jesus being the Author of our faith and does not happen over time, but is immediate and completed, with no repeats. So, no present and future sins unto death. We are clean on day one of being born again. Then we can abide in Him so He will finish the work He started. Another thing to note is that when we are clean, we are righteous, the lesser of the two types of purity. Yet not perfect. 1 John 3 is only about this type of sin, not the second type.

The other type of sin is called in Scripture "sins not unto death" by the Apostle John. This takes a long time and isn't completed on day one as it was with regards to sins unto death to give us eternal life. John 15 talks of this lesser type of sin and is Jesus' work in us as the Finisher of our second faith, as in "from faith to faith." Immature fruit of the Spirit take a long time to mature, and seem to be one fruit at a time. 2 Peter 1:5-7 shows the order of maturity done by Jesus. Even though this is the lesser type of sin called "trespasses unintentionally committed," as found in the Lord's Prayer, it accomplishes the higher type of purity called holiness in which we will "never stumble" 2 Peter 1:10-11.
We must also distinguish Adam’s guilt from the corruption inherited through the fall. Adam, as our federal head, represented humanity in his transgression (Romans 5:12-19). Those who are united to Christ no longer bear Adam’s guilt or condemnation, but the effects of the fall remain within us. We still do what we do not want to do, and fail to do what we ought.
Brother, you are quoting scriptures found in Romans 7:14-25 that are about life in the past being under the Law of Moses. Paul wrote those verses because he didn't want his readers to think there was something wrong with God's law, only with us BEFORE CHRIST. Romans 7 alludes to all three periods of the law: BEFORE the law (vs. 9), DURING the Old Testament Law (vs. 14-25), and NOW IN JESUS (only verses 5-6). Don't use verses 14-25 just because it uses the eastern style of writing of using personal pronouns such as I, me, and we. We read with a western mindset and unless you read IN CONTEXT, we can make some dumb mistakes. For instance, Romans 8:2 actually frees us from Romans 7:14-25 which should no longer apply to us. Many so called Christians can only relate to Romans 7:14-25 BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT BORN AGAIN, like I was. They are still struggling with their flesh. What a difference the Holy Spirit makes. Romans 8:9 shows that born again Christians are NOT IN THE FLESH, like Romans 7:5-6, and Romans 6:5-7.
Sanctification is the continuing work of the Holy Spirit by which the Christian is increasingly freed from the power of sin and enabled to obey God. A Christian can resist and overcome particular sins, but no Christian attains sinless perfection in this life. The remaining corruption of our nature is finally removed when we are glorified and raised with Christ.
"Sanctification" is commonly used in the Church to name the long process of maturing the fruit of the Spirit (Not to overcome willful sins of the flesh). But actually according to 1 Corinthians 6:11 we WERE sanctified when we were washed and justified. "11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God." I noticed that word seemingly to always be in the past tense, so I prayed to God and asked Him what He calls this long process. (Ever since I was born again I've been able to hear His voice). I suddenly got goose bumps and heard Him clearly say in my mind, "glorification." Of course! Romans 8:30 doesn't even refer to sanctification. But it does mention "glorification." 30 Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified. I've heard false teachers teach glorification is after we die! Nope, its now for the born again of the Spirit.

Jesus gives us glory in John 17:20-23. "20 “I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word; 21 that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me. 22 And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one: 23 I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me.
So, can a Christian stop committing a particular sin? Yes. Can a Christian become entirely free from all sin in this life, including sinful desires, actions, and failures to fulfill God’s law perfectly? No.
You don't seem to know the POWER OF GOD given to His people.
 

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have you e ver wondered why on earth folks do not want to beleive that if one followed
the Spirit they would not fullfill the lusts of the flesh .
ALSO remember the flesh is contrary and it will pop contrary thoughts into our heads .
That part is not us sinning . But who and what we obey will determine if whether we sin or not .
In other words when a lustful thought OF THE CARNAL FLESH does pop into the mind to tempt us
Are we gonna obey the SPIRIT that would have us shut the thought out
OR are we gonna entertain the thought . Some folks are dumb enough to actually
beleive that if a believer in Christ actually lays with another mans wife , OH ITS NOT HIM SINNING . THAT BE A LIE .
Now if a thought popped into my head when i saw a lovely lady that tempted me to go up and try and seduce her
WELL the thought came of the flesh , BUT who i obey will determine whether i sin or dont sin .
IN OTHER WORDS my near and my dear friends , IF i dont heed the alarm bells of THE SPIRIT
that DARN SURE WOULD alert me to SHUT DOWN that thought
but rather entertain it and go up to the woman and begin to smooth talk . SORRY BUT THAT IS SIN
and its what i would be obeying if i did that . BUT if i heed the alarm bells of the SPIRIT
and quickly look away and dont act it out . WELL THEN i did not sin , it was the flesh only that tempted me .

I remember when I was married to my abusive husband (only time in my life I've been punched in the face!) and I would be in town and see a handsome, and seemingly kind man, I would shake my head real fast, rattling by brains to kill approaching thoughts in their tracks. And willfully think about something else. That worked for me. This was during a latter time in my life where suffering caused a new level of obedience. He finally divorced me for the wife of his best friend, but he is still the last man I kissed as he divorced me "without cause." Matthew 19. I moved from Arizona to Tennessee. They married in 2002, but I still wear my wedding band. But now I'm married to Jesus. Isa. 54:5
 
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It amazes how a person can claim to be perfect, free from ever sinning yet that same person was admitting that they intentionally sinned multiple times not very long ago. That's delusional to the extreme

And now instead of asking God for forgiveness she thinks that her intentional multiple lies were not sins when she could of avoided it by simply refusing to answer a question and not resort to lies.

I didn't think her delusion could be worse but it is even greater than I thought it was.

God please forgive this person's sins, arrogance, stubbornness and pride. pryrw
 

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I wrote a post on LYING where I was wrongly accusing myself of lying and forced to sin. Come to find out I didn't sin at all, anymore than people not admitting they were hiding Jews from the Nazis in WWII, so I found peace. Is that what you are pointing your finger at? I hope not as that would be a sin of bearing false witness with malice. And I think you may have even enjoyed it!

But it couldn't have been me you are lying about, because I never said I was "perfect." Or was that yet another bearing false witness? And calling me names like "delusional to the extreme"? It was never my intent in writing that post on lying to actually CAUSE malicious people to lie themselves!

Anyway, God knows my heart, and unfortunately he knows yours as well.

I pray for you sister pryrw