Hebrews 12:6 deals with God's "Chastening".
So.....The first thing to know about our born again Relationship to God, is that God never charges sin to you ever again if you are born again.
Why not?
Because of 2 reasons..
1st.... The born again...are = "not under the law, but under Grace".......so, legally we can't be charged., as when "there is no law, there is no sin (Transgression)"..found.
Read 2 Corin 5:19 and Romans 4:8, in a KJV.........and BELIEVE IT.
2nd). , God has already sent Jesus to The Cross to be our Sin Bearer and our ETERNAL Sacrifice, which resulted in JESUS dying for ALL our sin 2000 yrs ago, so that we do not have to deal with God's Eternal Judgement in Eternity.
The eternal judgement for all our SIN has already been laid on Jesus on The Cross.....so, its not coming for the born again.
Now, the next thing to know is that The Cross didnt end "sowing and reaping" which is a spiritual Law that continues .
So, if you commit some grevious sin, then you have created a SEED that is planted in the Spiritual Realm, and its going to bring you a HARVEST of Consequences.....that is NOT you being Judged by God for that work of the flesh, as that carnal deed has already been paid for by the Blood of Jesus, 2000 yrs ago.
However, the spiritual law that is "sowing and reaping"....is going to find you, and you will have to deal with the consequences of your choice to commit carnal deeds.
And can you pray that God would soften or free you from this once it lands on you, or repent and pray about it before if you're smart.
It can be that God will hide you in the "shwdow of His wings""".
See, you would be foolish not to ask for help, if you have truly gone off the deep end into some grevious FLESH chasing behavior.
And if you are confessing that sin, then you are wasting your time, as the Blood of Jesus has already dealt with it, 2000 yrs ago on The Cross.
So, instead of telling God about it, again...... as if God does not know all about it before you were born.........REPENT of it, and stop.
And if you can't then God's Grace will meet you and help you to stop.
And remember,.........God knew you would do it, before you did it.
He knew you would do this, and maybe you've done it 100s of times..... And on the day that He saved you = God knew you would be doing that later.
And He saved you anyway.
See that?
Think on that.... and learn something about God's Grace and the Power of the Eternal Blood of Jesus.
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So, all of that has nothing to do with Heb 12:6...."chastening"...as this is not about punishment.......its about inner correction that is God targeting something in your flesh that needs to be removed, that is currently blocking you from maturing spiritually.
God will target this area in your flesh that has to be removed or controlled, and it can be that He'll do it through the word , the Bible...as you read it....and you fall under strong conviction about whatever that is in you that is carnal and has to be corrected.
Saint, have you never felt that a verse in the Bible you just read or a Sermon you were listening to was "talking to YOU"?
Have you ever felt that the Minister was looking at you the entire time he was preaching a message?
uh huh....
God does that.....sometimes........but mostly with the word He'll correct you......As the word is "correction" and "instruction"..... remember?
2 Tim 3:16
This happens to every believer, and is proof that you are God's Redeemed..... and its a process of going through something, even if its just a very strong inner conviction that came to you when you were reading the word of God.
Have you read it lately?
God understands that if you have time to be on this Forum every day, or nearly every day, and you dont ever read your bible..........God understands this about you.
Do you understand it about you, Reader?
Other times... you'll be given a situation to endure, that is not fun, and will frustrate you, and yet you have to get to the end of it. And over that period of time, ( a day, a week, 5 yrs...) as you keep bearing it, as it keeps dealing with your flesh.....you grow and change and are set free from that of part of your flesh that was blocking God and blocking your spirutual Growth.
The final type of Chastening, is for severe backsliders..... Its for the born again eternally redeemed .who returned to their old ways, and want to stay there and enjoy their carnality. They have dead faith, yet they are not unaware of God...they just choose to have their own way.
Thats a DEMAS.......>>"who loved this present world" and left the ministry to go and get more of it.
He was probably a handsome young man who loved the Ladies and the wine and the party......and he missed it so much, that he left the walk of faith and returned to the sensual sewer that is this world system.
He is someone you can talk too when you get to Heaven, as He'll have the end of the story of His life that the Bible never reveals to us.
Should be interesting to hear how it "all played out". for Him.
So, in that case, the Heb 12:6 is going to be more severe on you.....and you'll get a few of those over time, and if you wont repent, then Paul says you'll "die".
You'll die born again and heaven bound, just like Demas.
Reader, the very day that Demas was saved... God knew that Demas was going to do that later on.... and God saved Him anyway.
If this reality is making you upset.......if you feel that "Demas deserved Hell"....then try to face the fact that so do we all.
See...... the reason that some of you self righteous can't believe that a person who did that will go to heaven, is because you have not yet learned anything about the Blood Atonement, the Sacrifice of Christ, or The Grace of God.
And its time you did..., as you are supposed to stop being a baby believer who is stuck in Hebrews 6:1.
Reader, if you are truly born again, and not just water baptized and religious, then you belong to God = forever by spiritual birth. = Born again.
You can't stop being born again, as this is GOD CAUSED and GOD maintained.
You have no control over your Salvation, or your Eternal Life.
The only thing you can control is your BEHAVIOR, and that has no bearing on your Eternal Salvation.
Listen....
God's Son paid for your eternal redemption with His BLOOD and DEATH.........You are "blood bought" and God lives in you.
How you behave does not change this at all......However, be careful that you never wander too far off the course, for too long.
Instead just place everything in the "not so import" category when compared to making God happy with your behavior and your life, always knowing that you are accepted by Him and Kept by God, on your best days, your worst days, and all the days in-between.
Always remember that we are kept in perfect peace with God, not based on how we behave, but based on the finished work of Jesus on The Cross.
So, REST in this Grace of God, and keep yourself close to God., and enjoy your life and your relationship to the Father and to the Son....always,
So.....The first thing to know about our born again Relationship to God, is that God never charges sin to you ever again if you are born again.
Why not?
Because of 2 reasons..
1st.... The born again...are = "not under the law, but under Grace".......so, legally we can't be charged., as when "there is no law, there is no sin (Transgression)"..found.
Read 2 Corin 5:19 and Romans 4:8, in a KJV.........and BELIEVE IT.
2nd). , God has already sent Jesus to The Cross to be our Sin Bearer and our ETERNAL Sacrifice, which resulted in JESUS dying for ALL our sin 2000 yrs ago, so that we do not have to deal with God's Eternal Judgement in Eternity.
The eternal judgement for all our SIN has already been laid on Jesus on The Cross.....so, its not coming for the born again.
Now, the next thing to know is that The Cross didnt end "sowing and reaping" which is a spiritual Law that continues .
So, if you commit some grevious sin, then you have created a SEED that is planted in the Spiritual Realm, and its going to bring you a HARVEST of Consequences.....that is NOT you being Judged by God for that work of the flesh, as that carnal deed has already been paid for by the Blood of Jesus, 2000 yrs ago.
However, the spiritual law that is "sowing and reaping"....is going to find you, and you will have to deal with the consequences of your choice to commit carnal deeds.
And can you pray that God would soften or free you from this once it lands on you, or repent and pray about it before if you're smart.
It can be that God will hide you in the "shwdow of His wings""".
See, you would be foolish not to ask for help, if you have truly gone off the deep end into some grevious FLESH chasing behavior.
And if you are confessing that sin, then you are wasting your time, as the Blood of Jesus has already dealt with it, 2000 yrs ago on The Cross.
So, instead of telling God about it, again...... as if God does not know all about it before you were born.........REPENT of it, and stop.
And if you can't then God's Grace will meet you and help you to stop.
And remember,.........God knew you would do it, before you did it.
He knew you would do this, and maybe you've done it 100s of times..... And on the day that He saved you = God knew you would be doing that later.
And He saved you anyway.
See that?
Think on that.... and learn something about God's Grace and the Power of the Eternal Blood of Jesus.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
So, all of that has nothing to do with Heb 12:6...."chastening"...as this is not about punishment.......its about inner correction that is God targeting something in your flesh that needs to be removed, that is currently blocking you from maturing spiritually.
God will target this area in your flesh that has to be removed or controlled, and it can be that He'll do it through the word , the Bible...as you read it....and you fall under strong conviction about whatever that is in you that is carnal and has to be corrected.
Saint, have you never felt that a verse in the Bible you just read or a Sermon you were listening to was "talking to YOU"?
Have you ever felt that the Minister was looking at you the entire time he was preaching a message?
uh huh....
God does that.....sometimes........but mostly with the word He'll correct you......As the word is "correction" and "instruction"..... remember?
2 Tim 3:16
This happens to every believer, and is proof that you are God's Redeemed..... and its a process of going through something, even if its just a very strong inner conviction that came to you when you were reading the word of God.
Have you read it lately?
God understands that if you have time to be on this Forum every day, or nearly every day, and you dont ever read your bible..........God understands this about you.
Do you understand it about you, Reader?
Other times... you'll be given a situation to endure, that is not fun, and will frustrate you, and yet you have to get to the end of it. And over that period of time, ( a day, a week, 5 yrs...) as you keep bearing it, as it keeps dealing with your flesh.....you grow and change and are set free from that of part of your flesh that was blocking God and blocking your spirutual Growth.
The final type of Chastening, is for severe backsliders..... Its for the born again eternally redeemed .who returned to their old ways, and want to stay there and enjoy their carnality. They have dead faith, yet they are not unaware of God...they just choose to have their own way.
Thats a DEMAS.......>>"who loved this present world" and left the ministry to go and get more of it.
He was probably a handsome young man who loved the Ladies and the wine and the party......and he missed it so much, that he left the walk of faith and returned to the sensual sewer that is this world system.
He is someone you can talk too when you get to Heaven, as He'll have the end of the story of His life that the Bible never reveals to us.
Should be interesting to hear how it "all played out". for Him.
So, in that case, the Heb 12:6 is going to be more severe on you.....and you'll get a few of those over time, and if you wont repent, then Paul says you'll "die".
You'll die born again and heaven bound, just like Demas.
Reader, the very day that Demas was saved... God knew that Demas was going to do that later on.... and God saved Him anyway.
If this reality is making you upset.......if you feel that "Demas deserved Hell"....then try to face the fact that so do we all.
See...... the reason that some of you self righteous can't believe that a person who did that will go to heaven, is because you have not yet learned anything about the Blood Atonement, the Sacrifice of Christ, or The Grace of God.
And its time you did..., as you are supposed to stop being a baby believer who is stuck in Hebrews 6:1.
Reader, if you are truly born again, and not just water baptized and religious, then you belong to God = forever by spiritual birth. = Born again.
You can't stop being born again, as this is GOD CAUSED and GOD maintained.
You have no control over your Salvation, or your Eternal Life.
The only thing you can control is your BEHAVIOR, and that has no bearing on your Eternal Salvation.
Listen....
God's Son paid for your eternal redemption with His BLOOD and DEATH.........You are "blood bought" and God lives in you.
How you behave does not change this at all......However, be careful that you never wander too far off the course, for too long.
Instead just place everything in the "not so import" category when compared to making God happy with your behavior and your life, always knowing that you are accepted by Him and Kept by God, on your best days, your worst days, and all the days in-between.
Always remember that we are kept in perfect peace with God, not based on how we behave, but based on the finished work of Jesus on The Cross.
So, REST in this Grace of God, and keep yourself close to God., and enjoy your life and your relationship to the Father and to the Son....always,
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