According to Genesis 3: 16-19 what your take on these scriptures?

[bro.tan]

Genesis 3: 16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;

18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;

19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

Please give me your honest and Godly thoughts on this.

 

[David in NJ]

Genesis 3: 16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;

18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;

19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

Please give me your honest and Godly thoughts on this.

Simple = Exactly what GOD Said = Is = and will continue until Christ Returns

 

[ScottA]

Genesis 3: 16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;

18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;

19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

Please give me your honest and Godly thoughts on this.

-The woman is representational of all of mankind.
-Adam is a created representative of God, "in His image" (whom the woman/all mankind came out of). Therefore, Christ is the Son of "Man."
-Bringing forth children, spiritually refers to those born again of the spirit of God
-The flesh returns to the dust and is dissolved with the elements of this world.

 

[David in NJ]

-The woman is representational of all of mankind.
-Adam is a created representative of God, "in His image" (whom the woman/all mankind came out of). Therefore, Christ is the Son of "Man."
-Bringing forth children, spiritually refers to those born again of the spirit of God
-The flesh returns to the dust and is dissolved with the elements of this world.

Make a correction in your post ScottA.

Here it is: Genesis 1:27

Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”
27So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.
28Then God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth

 

[IndianaRob]

-The woman is representational of all of mankind.
-Adam is a created representative of God, "in His image" (whom the woman/all mankind came out of). Therefore, Christ is the Son of "Man."
-Bringing forth children, spiritually refers to those born again of the spirit of God
-The flesh returns to the dust and is dissolved with the elements of this world.

I'd say the woman represents the church and Adam represents Christ. Paul says as much — Ephesians 5:31–32 quotes Genesis on the two becoming one flesh and then says he speaks concerning Christ and the church. And Romans 5:14 calls Adam the figure of him that was to come.

Eve was deceived and fell. Adam wasn't deceived — 1 Timothy 2:14 says it plainly. He ate knowingly, to join her where she was.

That's the shadow. Christ came down to where we were, knowingly. Hebrews 2:14 — since the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he likewise took part of the same. The difference is that Adam joined her in sin and Christ joined us without it, which is why one brought death and the other undoes it.

 

[David in NJ]

-The woman is representational of all of mankind.
-Adam is a created representative of God, "in His image" (whom the woman/all mankind came out of). Therefore, Christ is the Son of "Man."
-Bringing forth children, spiritually refers to those born again of the spirit of God
-The flesh returns to the dust and is dissolved with the elements of this world.

Adam represents all of mankind.
For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead.
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive

Eve came from Adam's side = Eve was born from Man/Adam

Eve is "the mother of all living" = women give birth from the seed of man = once again it is the Man that generates the beginning.

The life is in the seed of man AND it is also in the seed of the woman = But the man was made FIRST
Therefore, GOD's Order should never be reversed.

 

[ScottA]

Make a correction in your post ScottA.

Here it is: Genesis 1:27

Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”
27So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.
28Then God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth

I know the scriptures, but not sure just what you mean. The male and female were one (as God is One) and the woman (mankind) was taken out of the man (of God), one image of God as in marriage, but separated for a time (times, and half a time).

 

[ScottA]

I'd say the woman represents the church and Adam represents Christ. Paul says as much — Ephesians 5:31–32 quotes Genesis on the two becoming one flesh and then says he speaks concerning Christ and the church. And Romans 5:14 calls Adam the figure of him that was to come.

Eve was deceived and fell. Adam wasn't deceived — 1 Timothy 2:14 says it plainly. He ate knowingly, to join her where she was.

That's the shadow. Christ came down to where we were, knowingly. Hebrews 2:14 — since the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he likewise took part of the same. The difference is that Adam joined her in sin and Christ joined us without it, which is why one brought death and the other undoes it.

Great! It's all the same truth told, or rather revealed, in the fulness of time. So yes, certainly, that is how what was since the beginning came/comes to fruition in Christ.

 

[ScottA]

Adam represents all of mankind.
For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead.
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive

Eve came from Adam's side = Eve was born from Man/Adam

Eve is "the mother of all living" = women give birth from the seed of man = once again it is the Man that generates the beginning.

The life is in the seed of man AND it is also in the seed of the woman = But the man was made FIRST
Therefore, GOD's Order should never be reversed.

Eve too was created, taken out of the man (Adam), and then Eve bore children.

But it's all an image or parable of our departure from God due to sin, and then our means of returning to God in Christ, in marriage.

 

[Randy Kluth]

Genesis 3: 16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;

18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;

19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

Please give me your honest and Godly thoughts on this.

Women continue to want to complete the task for which they were created, namely to produce godly children. Therefore, they are forgiving towards their husbands, and continue to want to love them.

Men are unable to do anything of lasting value unless they operate in conjunction with Christ. Without him they are not good. But like women men are still driven to accomplish that for which they were created, namely to produce godly children and to labor to provide for their families.

Due to the Sin that has infected all men, all must physically die. This does not prohibit them from fulfilling their task in this life, and from obtaining the hope of new life through resurrection. The fact God continues to let mankind live to peform their tasks, even if what they do in producing children is flawed, it is indication that God will remedy the situation.

 

[Davy]

Please give me your honest and Godly thoughts on this.

Without first understanding that by the time God made Adam flesh, that the first sin had already occurred by Lucifer in the world before, and thus brought the concept of 'death', then one will not fully understand what happened there in God's Garden (Hebrews 2:14; 1 John 3:8; Ezekiel 28:11-19).

Some brethren wrongly speculate that the state of Adam and Eve before... they sinned represents our future salvation state with flesh. It does not. The potential for sin was already in their members even before Adam and Eve sinned. We know this because of what Apostle Paul taught in Romans 7 about the flesh.

Satan, :"that old serpent", appealed to Eve's fleshy desires, and that is how he got her to break God's commandment to not eat of the tree in the midst of the garden.

In essence, the condition of Adam and Eve in the garden was a setup for failure, because of their flesh. And this had to be, because Christ was ordained to be born in the flesh and die on the cross before that time, before the foundation (the overthrow or casting down per the Greek word katabollo in 1 Peter 1:19-20).

 

[TrevorHL]

Greetings bro.tan,

Please give me your honest and Godly thoughts on this.

These verses teach that because of Adam's sin, he was sentenced to return to the dust. Man is mortal and does not have an immortal soul. Man's only hope is the resurrection when Christ returns.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[bro.tan]

Greetings bro.tan,

These verses teach that because of Adam's sin, he was sentenced to return to the dust. Man is mortal and does not have an immortal soul. Man's only hope is the resurrection when Christ returns.

Kind regards
Trevor

That's true, but I want you to elaborate on these curses as we live today. Because our society still effect these curses.

 

[bro.tan]

Without first understanding that by the time God made Adam flesh, that the first sin had already occurred by Lucifer in the world before,

I like that you brought in Lucifer sin first

and thus brought the concept of 'death', then one will not fully understand what happened there in God's Garden (Hebrews 2:14; 1 John 3:8; Ezekiel 28:11-19).

Some brethren wrongly speculate that the state of Adam and Eve before... they sinned represents our future salvation state with flesh. It does not. The potential for sin was already in their members even before Adam and Eve sinned. We know this because of what Apostle Paul taught in Romans 7 about the flesh.

I have to disagree with u there because if Adam would had did what Job did with his wife, we would have had this curse, even until this day. (Job 2: 6-10)

Satan, :"that old serpent", appealed to Eve's fleshy desires, and that is how he got her to break God's commandment to not eat of the tree in the midst of the garden.

In essence, the condition of Adam and Eve in the garden was a setup for failure, because of their flesh.

That's not true! Because the Lord did a similar thing with Abraham in Genesis 3: 10-17. Remember in life, you make the choices, the Lord sit back and watch and see what you do, sometimes.

And this had to be, because Christ was ordained to be born in the flesh and die on the cross before that time, before the foundation (the overthrow or casting down per the Greek word katabollo in 1 Peter 1:19-20).

 

[bro.tan]

Women continue to want to complete the task for which they were created, namely to produce godly children.

Is that really true these modern days. Some women don't want to be wives, but want God fearing men. Causes confusing, according to the scriptures.

Therefore, they are forgiving towards their husbands, and continue to want to love them.

Men are unable to do anything of lasting value unless they operate in conjunction with Christ. Without him they are not good. But like women men are still driven to accomplish that for which they were created, namely to produce godly children and to labor to provide for their families.

Due to the Sin that has infected all men, all must physically die.

The book say in 1 Corinthians 15: 50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.,51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

This does not prohibit them from fulfilling their task in this life, and from obtaining the hope of new life through resurrection. The fact God continues to let mankind live to peform their tasks, even if what they do in producing children is flawed, it is indication that God will remedy the situation.

 

[bro.tan]

-The woman is representational of all of mankind.
-Adam is a created representative of God, "in His image" (whom the woman/all mankind came out of). Therefore, Christ is the Son of "Man."
-Bringing forth children, spiritually refers to those born again of the spirit of God
-The flesh returns to the dust and is dissolved with the elements of this world.

Thank you for interpretation the scriptures.

 

[bro.tan]

Simple = Exactly what GOD Said = Is = and will continue until Christ Returns

That's a good point, but know elaboration on scriptures.

 

[David in NJ]

That's a good point, but know elaboration on scriptures.

i am SAVED by the Precious BLOOD of the LAMB of GOD Who takes away the sins of the world.

Tomorrow, just like yesterday, i will be working "in the sweat of my brow".

With all Praise to the LORD for His watch over me as i do dangerous work that could kill or maime in a split second.

HE gave me this prayer to pray everyday before work - Psalm 68:19-20

Blessed be the Lord,
Who daily loads us with benefits,
The God of our salvation! Selah
Our God is the God of salvation;
And to God the Lord belong escapes from death.

 

[WalterandDebbie]

Genesis 3: 16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;

18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;

19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

Please give me your honest and Godly thoughts on this.

Thank you, bro.tan, for sharing. Great post. Godly sorrow worketh repentance for a start with myself, so that He can show us. Not only to hear and see, but to do what is pleasing in His sight. Having and keeping a personal relationship with our High Priest is very important for us today. For His Plan Of Salvation.


Love always, Walter

 

[Randy Kluth]

Is that really true these modern days. Some women don't want to be wives, but want God fearing men. Causes confusing, according to the scriptures.

Yes, biblically both Rachel and Leah had children through their handmaidens. As Christians women can in a sense bear spiritual children simply by helping them grow spiritually.