Collapse of the twin towers in 2001. An engineering perspective

[marks]

There is no way those buildings could free fall.

Bolts on the levels below were not effected by heat and would not all shear so easily. If all the bolts on the levels below were shearing there should have at least been resistance and considerable deceleration. But we didn't see that. We saw gravitational acceleration. No resistance at all.

It wasn't just bolts that sheared, it was whole colums. Columns should be buckling and that should be causing a massive deceleration.

Keeping in mind the concrete/steel core of both buildings as well.

Before 9/11, I didn't know what demolition squibs were. I didn't understand why I saw symetrically places puffs of smoke every 3rd floor or so, blowing out as the top of the building dropped.

Much love!

 

[Armour of God]

The biggest objection I have with this is the logistical complexities that would be involved in such an operation. The preparation alone would be extensive. You would need dozens, if not hundreds, of workers setting up equipment, laying cables, and removing or modifying structural elements for possibly months ahead of time. There would be equipment lying around, noises, and people going in and out of restricted areas of the building. How would anyone possibly not notice that was going on? Then how would you guarantee that those involved never talked about it? Those are obstacles that are too big for me to accept.

That's a fair enough point. They would of needed special access to plant all those charges. Not an impossible task but. A company could of been hired for maintenance job on the buildings when really they were planting charges.

But our assessment is just from an engineering standpoint. It's impossible for those buildings to free fall like that.
Logistics and motives is something that I'm not too sure about and can be discussed also.

Motive is something I always struggled with. At first we thought the terrorists must of planted the charges. Then people started saying it was the government that did it. But what would be the motive. People would say so they had an excuse to go to war. But I don't think America would need to do such a terrible and drastic thing go to war. So if it wasn't the terrorists then the motive still baffles me.

One thing I'm confident about is that they lied about planes causing the collapse of the twin towers and building 7. Why. I don't know

 

[Jay Ross]

It seems that the conspiracy theories still flourish.

The buildings were designed to withstand an impact of an aeroplane, but they were not designed to resist a prolonged fire that resulted from the full fuel load, of the recently taken off plane.

Skyscrapers are all designed to collapse in a controlled manner from the very beginning of the design process.

As for all engineers being able to understand all of the concepts embraced within the design process, this is not a reasonable premise.

As for the charge of slander, if the member did not like being told that he and others were ignorant, then that member should not have responded with his own slanderous posts.

The sixth Bowl judgement describes the 9/11 events if people have the discernment to perceive what Rev 15:12-16 tells us. This bowl prophecy still has a further eighteen/nineteen years before its completion.

The 9/11 event was an attack against the three pillars that society holds too and worships.

Shalom

 

[Armour of God]

As for the charge of slander, if the member did not like being told that he and others were ignorant, then that member should not have responded with his own slanderous posts.

I'm sorry Sir but I never called you ignorant or resorted to any kind of personal attack or used any kind of slur as you did to me, my colleagues and teachers.

My response was respectfully written.

 

[Jay Ross]

I'm sorry Sir but I never called you ignorant or resorted to any kind of personal attack or used any kind of slur as you did to me, my colleagues and teachers.

My response was respectfully written.

Your justification is not even worthy of a response considering how you belittled my post.

You have only demonstrated with this post that your understanding is lacking,

Goodbye

 

[JimKnox]

It seems that the conspiracy theories still flourish.

The buildings were designed to withstand an impact of an aeroplane, but they were not designed to resist a prolonged fire that resulted from the full fuel load, of the recently taken off plane.

Skyscrapers are all designed to collapse in a controlled manner from the very beginning of the design process.

As for all engineers being able to understand all of the concepts embraced within the design process, this is not a reasonable premise.

As for the charge of slander, if the member did not like being told that he and others were ignorant, then that member should not have responded with his own slanderous posts.

The sixth Bowl judgement describes the 9/11 events if people have the discernment to perceive what Rev 15:12-16 tells us. This bowl prophecy still has a further eighteen/nineteen years before its completion.

The 9/11 event was an attack against the three pillars that society holds too and worships.

Shalom

There is no such thing as Rev 15:12-16.
The chapter ends at verse 8.

 

[I Berean]

An anecdote from a retired NYC fireman.

I wasn’t there that day, however, a total ‘recall’ was ordered from Fire Department commissioner Tom Von Essen. What that means is the following. All firefighters, whether they’re off that day, or on vacation ANYWHERE has to return to their home firehouse or one that’s in the area and await further orders. I happened to be picking up my car from a body shop after repairs. While getting in my car I was stung by a bee. Traveling through the Bronx to Downtown Manhattan my throat started swelling up and had trouble breathing. I got off the Bronx River Parkway and headed back north to Rockland County to my wife’s elementary school where she was a teacher. The school nurse gave me a couple of anti-inflammatory drugs to straighten me out. After calling my captain, telling him what happened, he told me to come in tomorrow.
Now, the anecdote. A couple of my fireman buddies, a couple of days later, had to go down to Ground Zero to collect all the Scott Masks that were strewn all around the site. While they were there they saw a Con Edison worker with a metering device to measure the quality of air. (Con Edison is the city wide utility company responsible for electricity). Being about 40 feet away they shouted, “what’s up?” The Con Ed worker looked both ways, then looked at my friends and gave a thumbs down. The NYC government knew from day 2 or 3 that the air was toxic. Cover up #2.
What’s cover up # 1? The FDNY bought defective Motorola walkie talkies, from what I heard, on the cheap. Consequence, “May Days“ were not heard at the command center in front of the towers.
Cover up #3?
One more comment, if I may, and IMO. (BTW, I have not read any posts yet on this thread).
Multiple firemen and other witnesses saw much that was contrary to the government’s (deep state), position, vis-a-vis sequences of the collapses, either from planes and/or planted, before hand, controlled demolitions. All the contrary witness’s reports were quickly deleted by the MSM, but a few got out. If you will, consider a deep dive in what had happened, and who is REALLY responsible.
If interested, the information is out there.
Here’s to Truth my dear Brothers and Sisters.

 

[Armour of God]

Your justification is not even worthy of a response considering how you belittled my post.

You have only demonstrated with this post that your understanding is lacking,

Goodbye

My friend, maybe you felt belittled because I did a good job of refuting your claims, but I never slandered you.
Your post was slanderous.
My post was respectful.
I addressed all of your points.
You haven't addressed any of my points.

 

[Wrangler]

This is an engineering perspective of how the twin towers collapsed in 2001.

The biggest objection I have with this is the logistical complexities that would be involved in such an operation. The preparation alone would be extensive. You would need dozens, if not hundreds, of workers setting up equipment, laying cables, and removing or modifying structural elements for possibly months ahead of time. There would be equipment lying around, noises, and people going in and out of restricted areas of the building. How would anyone possibly not notice that was going on? Then how would you guarantee that those involved never talked about it? Those are obstacles that are too big for me to accept.

That's a fair enough point.

@Jericho‘s point addresses the cons of a conspiracy, which is truly independent of the engineering perspective.

 

[Armour of God]

@Jericho‘s point addresses the cons of a conspiracy, which is truly independent of the engineering perspective.

My op is an engineering perspective but
I don't mind discussing the logistics, motives and other parts of it all.

He was simply saying that it would of been hard to do. I agreed but also said it's still very possible.

Like why did the government lie about it?
It would of been easier for them to say that terrorists rigged explosives on them

If it was all set up by the government why would they do that to its own people?
These questions still interest me and I'm open to suggestions

 

[Jay Ross]

My friend, maybe you felt belittled because I did a good job of refuting your claims, but I never slandered you.

noot true

Your post was slanderous.

How?

My post was respectful.

Really

I addressed all of your points.

No you tried to justify your faulty assumptions.

You haven't addressed any of my points.

There is no need to as they do not address the process of how the buildings collapsed.


Goodbye, unless you have justifiable understandings, that actually are true.

 

[Armour of God]

How?

You repeatedly called me, my class mates and teachers ignorant.
For a Christian your age you really should be doing better than to resort to personal attacks.

Really

Yes really. I never once called you any names or resorted to slander like you did to me

No you tried to justify your faulty assumptions.

No. I refuted your mainstream explanation with facts

There is no need to as they do not address the process of how the buildings collapsed.

Yes they do. It's just that you have no explanation for the facts I presented. That's why you can only resort to attacking me instead of attacking my arguments

 

[Jay Ross]

You repeatedly called me, my class mates and teachers ignorant.
For a Christian your age you really should be doing better than to resort to personal attacks.



Yes really. I never once called you any names or resorted to slander like you did to me



No. I refuted your mainstream explanation with facts



Yes they do. It's just that you have no explanation for the facts I presented. That's why you can only resort to attacking me instead of attacking my arguments

Goodbye as it seems to me that your largest organ needs tanning so that it is functional.

 

[Armour of God]

Goodbye as it seems to me that your largest organ needs tanning so that it is functional.

LoL...
Resorting to slander...
Again...
That's all you have my friend...
It reveals much about yourself and your erroneous belief...
Much love and God bless...

 

[Wrangler]

My op is an engineering perspective but
I don't mind discussing the logistics, motives and other parts of it all.

There's a maxim that when you eliminate what is impossible, whatever is left, no matter how improbable must be the case.

Given the physical impossibility of steel buildings to collapse without internal demolition the way the World Trade Center buildings did, there are few other possible explanations - no matter how implausible. I'm not saying it's hard to believe so many people could be involved, not be noticed and not talk about it. I'm saying that political challenge does not alter the laws of physics from an engineering perspective.

What would be the motive of The Deep State? I'm reminded of an episode of the TV show, House, where a billionaire took over the hospital. He told Dr. Greg House to fire one of the 3 members of the team. Instead, he cut everyone salary by 1/3 so the savings to the hospital were the same. The owner said that is unacceptable for it is not what he was told to do. It's not merely the team needs to know, Dr. Greg House needs to know he must do as he's told.

I recall at the time the duplicity of our government at the time. I've always been primarily driven by economics from a political perspective. President Bush said he thought the first plane crash was an accident, the 2nd was an attack and the 3rd was an act of war. OK, it's war then. The insurance companies have a war clause where they don't have to pay out. Except they did.

Just like Obamacare years later, where it was for legislative purposes not a tax but for judicial purposes, it was a tax; 9/11 was deemed war for political purposes but not for financial and legal purposes. Further duplicity was the "Patriot" act, which was anything but. Then "Real ID." Systematic control.

 

[Debp]

This is done by an engineering firm that knows how the World Trade Center was actually constructed. Because of the construction used, that is why the buildings collapsed in the way they did.

Unless one knows the construction of the World Trade Center buildings, one is only speculating.

This shows building 7...again he shows the construction used in this building.

 

[Debp]

Also Khalid Sheik Mohammed confessed to being the mastermind behind the World Trade Center attack as well as many other terrorist attacks.

I saw a program about him tonight. I was shocked to hear he and his three accomplices are still awaiting trial!!!

 

[Armour of God]

This is done by an engineering firm that knows how the World Trade Center was actually constructed. Because of the construction used, that is why the buildings collapsed in the way they did.

Unless one knows the construction of the World Trade Center buildings, one is only speculating.

This shows building 7...again he shows the construction used in this building.

I've watched many videos trying to explain how those buildings collapsed. Some condradict themselves but none of them make any sense to me and leave many questions open such as why thermite was found everywhere, that can only come from explosives.

Also Khalid Sheik Mohammed confessed to being the mastermind behind the World Trade Center attack as well as many other terrorist attacks.

I saw a program about him tonight. I was shocked to hear he and his three accomplices are still awaiting trial!!!

Maybe it was a terrosrist attack but I still firmly believe that explosive charges were used. A building cannot free fall at the same rate as gravity without demo charges. That's what my class and our teachers concluded at the time and I stand by it.

 

[Marvelloustime]

How does one take control of the entire world .
When so many differing sides , different relgoins
and all believing differently .
HOW .
REAL SIMPLE and it does take some time .
YOU INFILTRATE every thing . YOU also keep a pit and divide going on
so as they always focused on the other side .
YOU dont only infiltrate politics media , BUT YOU MUST infiltrate ALSO every religoin .
YOU have to make truth NOT ABSOLUTE but as liguid .
THEN over time you form the liquid to fit THE AGENDA . and it becomes THE ABOSLUTE TRUTH .
THEY DID THIS . this is n ot something coming
THIS HAS BEEN DONE FOR YEARS . bridge builders , breaking down walls
ALL OF IT was removing KEY DOCTRINES under the guise of love .
Forming a religoin that ALL RELIGOINS would see as love and believe is of GOD .
BINGO bud . THEY DID IT .
You see , YOU INFILTRATE . and w hile you keep them pitted and divided
BOTH sides also keep pumping slowly the same solution in ways that each side , each relgion
can see . TO a christain , for example
it came as a christain
and to a buddist
to a muslim the same .
JUST as it did . Now the devil is the one that did this and he used men greedy for power and control
TO GET this done . THIS was all about
ONE THING . prepare a world to be as one under what it thinks is LOVE , and its religoins think is love and GOD .
IT HAS RIPENED NOW . they are ready for WHO this world was being prepared for
and that is , THE BEAST WHO BY MEANS of AI , WILL HAVE ALL POWER over the n ations . OH yeah we all got lied too .
But thanks be to GOD this wee sheep did not BUY INTO th eir lies and schemes . CAUSE
as i wrote earlier , M Y HOPE be not in man , in politics , BuT IN GOD . and cursed is the man whose hope was in man
but b lessed is the man WHOSE HOPE bE IN GOD . JESUS has his sheep .

@amigo de christo

 

[Wrangler]

these buildings were professionally demolished. Buildings do not collapse within themselves if damaged from a corner.

Jet fuel does not burn hot enough nor long enought o melt industrial steel.

There is the pancake theory that h as been proven over and over and over. when a buislding loses support andstarts collapsing, the top and bottom pieces destruct so that the number of floors onm top will equal the number of floors destroyed below.

So one tower was hit with forty stories above, it would have collapsed 40 stories and run out of destructinve power leaving about 30+ stories standing. that is simple building physics.

Also if you google steel and concrete high rises engulfed in flames, you will see no other building ever collapsed even though some of these high rises were fully engulfed and invovled.

Well said.

This is done by an engineering firm that knows how the World Trade Center was actually constructed. Because of the construction used, that is why the buildings collapsed in the way they did.

@Debp, pasting a vid is no substitute for discussion. CyB is blessed to have degrees engineers, literal experts in the field, myself included. Other than appeal to the authority of the vid, is there anything to dispute the points @Ronald David Bruno made, starting with the fact that jet fuel doesn’t burn hot enough to melt the steel used?

This is a foundational fact of the analysis. Its implications are enormous as it begs the question of what then caused the collapse?