Contradiction or wrongly dividing ? !!!

[PeterAndroz]

Could you do this next time, please?
So everyone can smoothly follow what it is that you were saying?

Titus 3:5-7
He saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy.
He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, whom he
poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior, so that, having been
justified by his grace, we might become heirs having the hope of eternal life.


Ephesians 2:8-9
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves,
it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast.

Gal 2:16
Know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ.
So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ
and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.

Rom 3:28
For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law.


Romans 4:5
However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly,
their faith is credited as righteousness.


Romans 5:1
Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through
our Lord Jesus Christ.

Then I would be able to think with you.

But, when you do this?
>> Titus 3:5-7, Eph 2:8-9, Gal 2:16, Rom 3:28, Rom 4:5, Rom 5:1
What about you ??

It detours everything and loses the flow of the discussion.

Thanks...

grace and peace .....

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""Could you do this next time, please?""
""It detours everything and loses the flow of the discussion.""
If people can't be bothered to look up the verses in a Bible they prefer then maybe they simply don't care enough if at all

 

[GeneZ]

""Could you do this next time, please?""
""It detours everything and loses the flow of the discussion.""
If people can't be bothered to look up the verses in a Bible they prefer then maybe they simply don't care enough if at all

We were having a flowing dialogue here.
Not receiving a homework assignment.

Others may be reading what we are saying and following the conversation as to learn something.
What you did breaks up the continuation of thought of what was just said and will make the other person stop to do our work for us.
For the thoughts contained in the chapter and verses are never materialized to the reader's mind to make a solid correlation.

Example?
Jesus often said... "It is written."

Then He would tell them what is written.
Not tell them to go look up some numbers.

 

[GRACE ambassador]

Contradiction or wrongly dividing?

Better question: Is a seeming 'contradiction' UN-Scriptural or UN-Dispensational?:

​

"A pastor friend of this writer has written the following: “There are professing Christians who
religiously practice the washing of feet. Are they Scriptural or unscriptural? There are some
who anoint the sick with oil, while others use blessed handkerchiefs. Are they Scriptural or
unscriptural? Still others tarry for the Holy Spirit after they have received Christ for salvation.

Some professing Christians claim to have visions and angelic visitations while hearing super-
natural voices. Are they Scriptural or unscriptural? Thousands of others break forth in some
kind of speech which they call the gift of tongues. Is it Scriptural or unscriptural to speak in
tongues?”

To which we add: Scriptures can be found to substantiate all of these actions. However, it seems
to us that it is less than intellectual honesty, much less a spiritual practice, to arbitrarily select
certain Bible commands for obedience while completely disregarding others.

Why not obey the mandates in Numbers 15:32-36 and Deuteronomy 21:18-21 where infractions
were to be punished by publicly stoning the offender to death? Why not build a tabernacle and
offer sacrifices as God commanded in Exodus 25-31? Why not “sell that ye have and give alms”
as Christ instructed in Luke 12:33? In short, why obey certain Bible commands and ignore others?

Why not obey them all? The answer to these questions is clearly stated in II Timothy 2:15:

“Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that​

needeth not to be ashamed, Rightly Dividing the Word of Truth.”​

Though ALL Scripture is most certainly for our admonition and instruction, all Scripture is NOT
for our obedience. In fact, obeying commands given to others in past economies could be direct
disobedience in this age. (Compare Genesis 17:10-14 with Galatians 5:2 and Romans 2:25-29.

Also, Matthew 19:16-21 with Romans 4:5 and Ephesians 2:8-9). II Timothy 3:16-17 does not
contradict or nullify II Timothy 2:15. To the Apostle Paul, the Glorified Lord revealed God’s
message and program for this age of grace. To him was committed the dispensation of the
Grace of God (See Ephesians 3:1-9). In his epistles, we find the commands given directly to
the Body of Christ.

The question then, is not only, is it Scriptural, but is it dispensational?" (W Johnson)

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And, precious friend(s), Please Be Very Richly Encouraged and Edified
In The Lord Jesus Christ and In His Precious Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided:

The Bible: The BIG Picture

Amen.

 

[PeterAndroz]

We were having a flowing dialogue here.
Not receiving a homework assignment.

Others may be reading what we are saying and following the conversation as to learn something.
What you did breaks up the continuation of thought of what was just said and will make the other person stop to do our work for us.
For the thoughts contained in the chapter and verses are never materialized to the reader's mind to make a solid correlation.

Example?
Jesus often said... "It is written."

Then He would tell them what is written.
Not tell them to go look up some numbers.

""Not tell them to go look up some numbers.""
Back then they didn't have computers, you do so look up the verses & stop blaming your laziness on others.

 

[GeneZ]

""Not tell them to go look up some numbers.""
Back then they didn't have computers, you do so look up the verses & stop blaming your laziness on others.

I see .... I took the time needed to look up and copy and paste the verses so others would follow the thinking being expressed.

And?
Now I am lazy?

I think you need to be more careful.

 

[PeterAndroz]

I see .... I took the time needed to look up and copy and paste the verses so others would follow the thinking being expressed.

And?
Now I am lazy?

I think you need to be more careful.

"Now I am lazy?"
You cried wolf because I only listed the verse numbers.
""copy and paste the verses so others would follow""
Good boy Z, you get a medal

 

[GeneZ]

"Now I am lazy?"
You cried wolf because I only listed the verse numbers.
""copy and paste the verses so others would follow""
Good boy Z, you get a medal

Have a nice day....

Have two. (they are low in calories)

 

[PeterAndroz]

Have a nice day....

Have two. (they are low in calories)

Apparently a lazy one

 

[GeneZ]

Apparently a lazy one

You must like being put on Ignore.

 

[PeterAndroz]

You must like being put on Ignore.

Go for it, you'll sleep better when your false teachings aren't being contradicted by Scripture

 

[Wick Stick]

By citing some wrongly named dispensations does not discredit the validity for there being dispensations.

I would appreciate a correction on the names. I grew up in a Dispensational church, but I haven't been part of the group for a while. Heard more than one sermon this, but it's been a long time.

My view... I don't find that any system of theology is best. Dispensationalism has an argument. I find Covenant Theology more compelling. I find that NO system of theology is superior to having one.

 

[GRACE ambassador]

I would appreciate a correction on the names.

Precious friend, here ya go:



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And, precious friend(s), Please Be Very Richly Encouraged and Edified
In The Lord Jesus Christ and In His Precious Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided:

The Bible: The BIG Picture

Amen.

 

[GeneZ]

I find Covenant Theology more compelling.

Good for you.....

Work out your own salvation in fear and trembling.

 

[GeneZ]

My view... I don't find that any system of theology is best. Dispensationalism has an argument. I find Covenant Theology more compelling. I find that NO system of theology is superior to having one.

Having grown up a Jew, I became painfully aware of a prevailing gentile ignorance of Jews.
And of the promises made specifically to the Jews by God.
That ignorance is why covenant theology evolved into what is anti-Biblical. It reflects subclinical gentile anti-Semitism.

I was born a Jew into a Jewish family.
I, having believed in Christ, am no longer a Jew.
Nor am I a gentile!

Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come: ​

The old has gone, the new is here! 2 Corinthians 5:17​

​

How can the Church replace the Jews (Israel) when Jews no longer exist in Christ?

There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.​

If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise. Galatians 3:28-29​

Abraham was not a Jew.
Abraham was also not Israel.
There were no Jews until Moses.

Covenant theology thrives on gentile ignorance and bias.

 

[Wick Stick]

Precious friend, here ya go:

View attachment 90362

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And, precious friend(s), Please Be Very Richly Encouraged and Edified
In The Lord Jesus Christ and In His Precious Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided:

The Bible: The BIG Picture

Amen.

Thanks for taking the time to do this. Those are the same as the ones I posted, I think.

 

[Wick Stick]

Having grown up a Jew, I became painfully aware of a prevailing gentile ignorance of Jews.
And of the promises made specifically to the Jews by God.
That ignorance is why covenant theology evolved into what is anti-Biblical. It reflects subclinical gentile anti-Semitism.

Uh... what? Are you perhaps thinking of Replacement Theology?

Covenant theology seeks to understand the Bible by dividing it up in terms of covenants, much like dispensationalism divides it into dispensations. It's just a system for understanding the Bible.

I was born a Jew into a Jewish family.
I, having believed in Christ, am no longer a Jew.
Nor am I a gentile!

Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come: ​

The old has gone, the new is here! 2 Corinthians 5:17​

​

How can the Church replace the Jews (Israel) when Jews no longer exist in Christ?

There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.​

If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise. Galatians 3:28-29​

Abraham was not a Jew.
Abraham was also not Israel.
There were no Jews until Moses.

This all seems correct to me. The promise was to Abraham, and those who are adopted are Abraham's seed - a Father of Nations.

Covenant theology thrives on gentile ignorance and bias.

How so? We seem to have different ideas of what covenant theology entails.

 

[GeneZ]

Uh... what? Are you perhaps thinking of Replacement Theology?

Covenant theology seeks to understand the Bible by dividing it up in terms of covenants, much like dispensationalism divides it into dispensations. It's just a system for understanding the Bible.

This all seems correct to me. The promise was to Abraham, and those who are adopted are Abraham's seed - a Father of Nations.

How so? We seem to have different ideas of what covenant theology entails.

Covenant theology views the church as the one people of God, with Israel's promises fulfilled in Christ.

Is that what you believe?

 

[GeneZ]

This all seems correct to me. The promise was to Abraham, and those who are adopted are Abraham's seed - a Father of Nations.

The father of nations.

The Church is not "nations" ...

There is a fine line here that is not being seen.

 

[David in NJ]

Contradiction or wrongly dividing?

Better question: Is a seeming 'contradiction' UN-Scriptural or UN-Dispensational?:

​

"A pastor friend of this writer has written the following: “There are professing Christians who
religiously practice the washing of feet. Are they Scriptural or unscriptural? There are some
who anoint the sick with oil, while others use blessed handkerchiefs. Are they Scriptural or
unscriptural? Still others tarry for the Holy Spirit after they have received Christ for salvation.

Some professing Christians claim to have visions and angelic visitations while hearing super-
natural voices. Are they Scriptural or unscriptural? Thousands of others break forth in some
kind of speech which they call the gift of tongues. Is it Scriptural or unscriptural to speak in
tongues?”

To which we add: Scriptures can be found to substantiate all of these actions. However, it seems
to us that it is less than intellectual honesty, much less a spiritual practice, to arbitrarily select
certain Bible commands for obedience while completely disregarding others.

Why not obey the mandates in Numbers 15:32-36 and Deuteronomy 21:18-21 where infractions
were to be punished by publicly stoning the offender to death? Why not build a tabernacle and
offer sacrifices as God commanded in Exodus 25-31? Why not “sell that ye have and give alms”
as Christ instructed in Luke 12:33? In short, why obey certain Bible commands and ignore others?

Why not obey them all? The answer to these questions is clearly stated in II Timothy 2:15:

“Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that​

needeth not to be ashamed, Rightly Dividing the Word of Truth.”​

Though ALL Scripture is most certainly for our admonition and instruction, all Scripture is NOT
for our obedience. In fact, obeying commands given to others in past economies could be direct
disobedience in this age. (Compare Genesis 17:10-14 with Galatians 5:2 and Romans 2:25-29.

Also, Matthew 19:16-21 with Romans 4:5 and Ephesians 2:8-9). II Timothy 3:16-17 does not
contradict or nullify II Timothy 2:15. To the Apostle Paul, the Glorified Lord revealed God’s
message and program for this age of grace. To him was committed the dispensation of the
Grace of God (See Ephesians 3:1-9). In his epistles, we find the commands given directly to
the Body of Christ.

The question then, is not only, is it Scriptural, but is it dispensational?" (W Johnson)

-------------
And, precious friend(s), Please Be Very Richly Encouraged and Edified
In The Lord Jesus Christ and In His Precious Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided:

The Bible: The BIG Picture

Amen.

pre-trib rapture is all three:
#1 - unscriptural

#2 - contradictory to the Prophecy of CHRIST

#3 - un-dispensational and more accurately, it is anti-dispensational of New Covenant Grace

 

[David in NJ]

The father of nations.

The Church is not "nations" ...

There is a fine line here that is not being seen.

Gene

The Church/Body of Christ is made up of all nations whom the FATHER Calls to CHRIST

The Abrahmic Promise of the Gospel to all nations is fulfilled in CHRIST = John 3:16 & Matthew 11:17

And JESUS was teaching and was saying to them, “Has it not been written:
‘My house will be called a house of prayer for all the nations’?
But you⁺ have made it ‘a den of robbers.’”