Contradiction or wrongly dividing ? !!!

[Wick Stick]

Kinda brings to mind this one, right?

Aye. Also, it provides the answer to the question about adoptions.

 

[GeneZ]

The LORD Told us this when HE Prophesied = Matthew chapter 24
Would you accuse the LORD of being a false prophet?


Immediately after the tribulation of those days:
‘The sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.’

30At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will mourn.
They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

Note something....

Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened,

And?

Immediately after the tribulation.

That has to do with the Tribulation and how it will end!
And, who will be saved after it has ended.

The Church will not be here for that.
During that seven-year tribulation we will be in Heaven and at one point having the Marriage supper of the Lamb.

That speaks of the Tribulation coming to an end.

This is what will take place for believers on earth during the Tribulation:

And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.​

For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.​

And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.​

​

All these are the beginning of sorrows.​

​

Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.​

And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.​

And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.​

And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.​

​

But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. Matthew 24:4-13​

Note?

​

But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. ​

Meaning?

Those who endure to the end of the Tribulation shall be saved/delivered and shall enter into the Millennial reign on earth!

But? Believe what you want.

 

[David in NJ]

Note something....

Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened,

And?

Immediately after the tribulation.

That has to do with the Tribulation and how it will end!
And, who will be saved after it has ended.

The Church will not be here for that.
During that seven-year tribulation we will be in Heaven and at one point having the Marriage supper of the Lamb.

That speaks of the Tribulation coming to an end.

This is what will take place for believers on earth during the Tribulation:

And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.​

For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.​

And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.​

​

All these are the beginning of sorrows.​

​

Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.​

And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.​

And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.​

And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.​

​

But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. Matthew 24:4-13​

Note?

​

But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. ​

Meaning?

Those who endure to the end of the Tribulation shall be saved/delivered and shall enter into the Millennial reign on earth!

But? Believe what you want.

REALLY???

Post the words of CHRIST where you claim: "
That has to do with the Tribulation and how it will end!
And, who will be saved after it has ended.

The Church will not be here for that.

 

[GeneZ]

REALLY???

Post the words of CHRIST where you claim: "
That has to do with the Tribulation and how it will end!
And, who will be saved after it has ended.

The Church will not be here for that.

No problem...
You missed what I said towards the beginning of that post.

I said...

The Church will not be here for that.
During that seven-year tribulation we will be in Heaven and at one point having the Marriage supper of the Lamb.

grace and peace ..........

 

[David in NJ]

No problem...
You missed what I said towards the beginning of that post.

I said...

The Church will not be here for that.
During that seven-year tribulation we will be in Heaven and at one point having the Marriage supper of the Lamb.

grace and peace ..........

Your words were clearly accounted for!!!


Post the words of CHRIST where you claim: "

"The Church will not be here for that."

 

[amigo de christo]

Your words were clearly accounted for!!!


Post the words of CHRIST where you claim: "

"The Church will not be here for that."

What DID JESUS warn about .
What did paul warn and james warn and even peter warn about .
ALL of them warned the church about TRIBULATIONS IN THIS LIFE and to endure faithful to the end .
NONE of them gave the false comfort and lie a pre tribber does .
ALL of them warned of tribulations against the church .
ALL of them warned the church about this one time event as well .
THIS COMING OF JESUS wherein all who were not HIS would be GOING under wrath .
TO include the beast who had raged war against the sheep .
ALL OF THEM KNEW the coming OF JESUS WAS A ONE TIME EVENT .
AND ALL OF THEM prepared and taught their own TO ENDURE TRIBULATIONS and be faithful UNTO death .
SOMETHING our pre tribbers HAVE NO IDEA at all about my friend .

 

[amigo de christo]

Your words were clearly accounted for!!!


Post the words of CHRIST where you claim: "

"The Church will not be here for that."

It is written and thus is truth
THAT he who reads this prophecy and those who hear it are blessed .
But that any who adds too or takes from those words will be damned .
SEEMS to me l ike many do add too and do take from such words .
AS they sit under men who insert wrong meanings and words TO WHAT was already written
FOR THE GOOD OF THE CHURCH . but some act like its for the left behind and NOT THE CHURCH .
WHY oh why were so many warnins given about NOT taking the mark TO THE CHURCH
IF the church was NEVER GONNA BE THERE TO SEE IT .
WHY oh why Did it say THE beast makes war WITH THE SAINTS and not rather with the LEFT BEHIND .
AND WHY oh why does it clearly show us
THE WRATH OF GOD cometh against ALL WHO TOOK THE MARK . and not rather
as pre trib tries to do BLEND the two as one . AND makes cliams as though the wrath of the beast
WE DO NOT GO UNDER .
WHY OH WHY do men sit and heed men and not rather LEARN THAT BIBLE and HEED THEM WORDS for themselves .
THAT IS WHY they are led too and will be led too their own destruction , because THEY HEED MEN
NOT GOD . That my friend IS a fact .

 

[GeneZ]

Your words were clearly accounted for!!!


Post the words of CHRIST where you claim: "

"The Church will not be here for that."

"For God has not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ." ​

1 Thessalonians 5:9​

The Tribulation will be the time of God's wrath.

Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and everyone else, ​

both slave and free, hid in caves and among the rocks of the mountains. They called to the ​

mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne ​

and from the wrath of the Lamb! For the great day of their wrath has come, and who can withstand it?” ​

Revelation 6:15-17​

Pass the butter, please....

 

[GeneZ]

What DID JESUS warn about .
What did paul warn and james warn and even peter warn about .
ALL of them warned the church about TRIBULATIONS IN THIS LIFE and to endure faithful to the end .
NONE of them gave the false comfort and lie a pre tribber does .
ALL of them warned of tribulations against the church .
ALL of them warned the church about this one time event as well .
THIS COMING OF JESUS wherein all who were not HIS would be GOING under wrath .
TO include the beast who had raged war against the sheep .
ALL OF THEM KNEW the coming OF JESUS WAS A ONE TIME EVENT .
AND ALL OF THEM prepared and taught their own TO ENDURE TRIBULATIONS and be faithful UNTO death .
SOMETHING our pre tribbers HAVE NO IDEA at all about my friend .

I think you are trying to say...

There will be tribulations in a believer's life.
But we are talking about the Great Tribulation on earth.


......

 

[amigo de christo]

I think you are trying to say...

There will be tribulations in a believer's life.
But we are talking about the Great Tribulation on earth.


......

someone lied to you all .
THE MESSAGE was TO THE CHURCHES .
Not to the SO called LEFT BEHIND .
Numerous times and more than once the warning was DO NOT TAKE the mark of the beast
and that any who do so will be damned .
Now you all act like its all for the aints , FOR IT WAS WRITTEN FOR THE CHURCH dude .
Someone lied to you all , JUST like that someone
is lying to all now in order to merge them all as one
under what IT calls GOD , IT says is love and ITS PEACE PLAN that IT says is of GOD .
AND GOD DONT LIE . the devil does . WE need to back OUTTA what men have taught
and head RIGHT back into THE BIBLE for ourselves and RIGHT NOW . RIGHT NOW .

 

[amigo de christo]

"For God has not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ." ​

1 Thessalonians 5:9​

The Tribulation will be the time of God's wrath.

Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and everyone else, ​

both slave and free, hid in caves and among the rocks of the mountains. They called to the ​

mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne ​

and from the wrath of the Lamb! For the great day of their wrath has come, and who can withstand it?” ​

Revelation 6:15-17​

Pass the butter, please....

God has not appointed us UNTO HIS WRATH that cometh against THE beast and all who did worship it and take its mark .
BUT the beast , NOW IT C oM ETH against the saints .
You all have no idea this entire church age and the false religoins
are now as one headed right into the same LIE and the same plan for world peace BY ANTI CHRIST .
but let me guess , WE WONT BE HERE for that . once again you beleive serious error .
OPEN thine eyes and get into thine bible . For many now wait for a seven year hollywood anti christ
and beast
AND YET HAVE ZERO idea that which is of anti christ to prepare this world unto the beast , OH BUD ITS BEEN HERE .
And the delusion NOW SIMPLY GROWS massive . Better bible up . better bible up .

 

[Wick Stick]

But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Meaning?

Those who endure to the end of the Tribulation shall be saved/delivered and shall enter into the Millennial reign on earth!

But? Believe what you want.

I read that as being about martyrdom. He that endures to the end [is martyred], shall be saved.

Note: the same phrase also occurs in Matthew 10 and Mark 13

 

[amigo de christo]

I read that as being about martyrdom. He that endures to the end [is martyred], shall be saved.

Note: the same phrase also occurs in Matthew 10 and Mark 13

just a friendly reminder to us all that NO LIE is of GOD .
And that thus he who makes and he who loves a lie , IS NOT OF GOD .
SO wick stick
why do i see so many embracing the love of a harlot claoked as though it be the Love of GOD .
And many from all tribes , nations and yes christendom
now run to that love and to its peace plan . ITS very peace plan THAT HAS TROD THE DIRE NECESSITY
to beleive on JESUS RIGHT UNDER FOOT FOR A LIE .
You mind explaining to me why SO MANY NOW RUN to a harlots love and embrace a lie
and yet they all think its of GOD .
MEANWHILE allow me to explain . ITS CAUSE for years they either sat under a false religoin
OR they sat in churches that sold them false doctrines . AND they did not repent
but rather chose to trust in man . THUS NOW in the last hour
A STRONG DELUSION has been sent unto them
TO BUY A LIE that will merge EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM
and have them beleive this is of GOD , is love and IS his plan for peace n safety .
WHEN IT WAS ONLY A DELUSION to bring the rebellious to the day of THEIR OWN SUDDEN DESTRUCTION
BY THE VERY GOD and BY THE VERY CHRIST they had denied .

 

[amigo de christo]

probably not the words that wick stick or this all inclusive ecuemincal false love embracing generation wanted to hear .
BUT IT WAS TRUTH And was needed to have been said in hopes that some will repent before forever it be too late .

 

[Wick Stick]

probably not the words that wick stick or this all inclusive ecuemincal false love embracing generation wanted to hear .
BUT IT WAS TRUTH And was needed to have been said in hopes that some will repent before forever it be too late .

I imply that... you think I'm teaching something untrue? What?

First thought... I'm not trying to teach. Just discuss.

 

[amigo de christo]

I imply that... you think I'm teaching something untrue? What?

First thought... I'm not trying to teach. Just discuss.

okay . so tell me what you really think about ecumeincal all inclusive intefaith .
And do you sit under biden and harris or even trump and the nar realm or even the catholic church
and its unity .
DO feel free to explain to me . Lets discuss . IF you are here to discuss then lets simply discuss .
Go ahead , you tell me what you think and believe .

 

[Marvelloustime]

okay . so tell me what you really think about ecumeincal all inclusive intefaith .
And do you sit under biden and harris or even trump and the nar realm or even the catholic church
and its unity .
DO feel free to explain to me . Lets discuss . IF you are here to discuss then lets simply discuss .
Go ahead , you tell me what you think and believe .

@amigo de christo

 

[Wick Stick]

okay . so tell me what you really think about ecumeincal all inclusive intefaith .

I think "interfaith" is nonsense - it's self-contradictory. Faith is placed in persons (a Person), rather than ideas. You cannot serve two masters. A group that serves many masters is... not a group.

My only experience with "ecumenical" is multiple Christian churches coming together to build a shelter and feed the homeless. Google seems to say it's something more like (small-c) catholic - universal. I don't know about that.

I would consider both of these words jargon. I try to stay away from jargon. I don't always completely succeed, but I try to use common words that everyone can understand.

And do you sit under biden and harris or even trump and the nar realm or even the catholic church
and its unity .

I'm in the US, so in some sense I'm under that government, though I disagree with almost everything of the Democrats, and much of the Republicans. Politically, I'm a Utilitarian without a rule. You want my voting record? I abstained from voting in 2016, thinking neither candidate was worth a damn. I voted Libertarian in 2020, same logic. Held my nose to vote for Trump in 2024, because Biden was really that terrible. Don't actually like Trump, or agree with what he says.

I have no idea what "nar realm" means. Google seemed to think it had something to do with Dungeons & Dragons. Never played that.

I'm not (capital-C) Catholic. I object to the papacy, in particular that there is any Vicar of Christ, and also to the hierarchy of priests placed over a laity, having the power to remit sins. I was raised in a charismatic church, educated in a reformed school, and have been an assistant pastor in a couple non-denoms. I currently attend a charismatic church.

DO feel free to explain to me . Lets discuss . IF you are here to discuss then lets simply discuss .
Go ahead , you tell me what you think and believe .

I've spent a lot of time studying the Bible, and also the history, literature, and geography of the Ancient Near East where the Bible comes from. My beliefs don't really match cleanly to any particular denomination of Christianity - they're kind of "roll your own." That being said, I'm aware of where my beliefs are unorthodox, and I don't try to preach those. I'm not trying to start my own church.

 

[Marvelloustime]

just a friendly reminder to us all that NO LIE is of GOD .
And that thus he who makes and he who loves a lie , IS NOT OF GOD .
SO wick stick
why do i see so many embracing the love of a harlot claoked as though it be the Love of GOD .
And many from all tribes , nations and yes christendom
now run to that love and to its peace plan . ITS very peace plan THAT HAS TROD THE DIRE NECESSITY
to beleive on JESUS RIGHT UNDER FOOT FOR A LIE .
You mind explaining to me why SO MANY NOW RUN to a harlots love and embrace a lie
and yet they all think its of GOD .
MEANWHILE allow me to explain . ITS CAUSE for years they either sat under a false religoin
OR they sat in churches that sold them false doctrines . AND they did not repent
but rather chose to trust in man . THUS NOW in the last hour
A STRONG DELUSION has been sent unto them
TO BUY A LIE that will merge EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM
and have them beleive this is of GOD , is love and IS his plan for peace n safety .
WHEN IT WAS ONLY A DELUSION to bring the rebellious to the day of THEIR OWN SUDDEN DESTRUCTION
BY THE VERY GOD and BY THE VERY CHRIST they had denied .

@amigo de christo

 

[amigo de christo]

I think "interfaith" is nonsense - it's self-contradictory. Faith is placed in persons (a Person), rather than ideas. You cannot serve two masters. A group that serves many masters is... not a group.

My only experience with "ecumenical" is multiple Christian churches coming together to build a shelter and feed the homeless. Google seems to say it's something more like (small-c) catholic - universal. I don't know about that.

I would consider both of these words jargon. I try to stay away from jargon. I don't always completely succeed, but I try to use common words that everyone can understand.

I'm in the US, so in some sense I'm under that government, though I disagree with almost everything of the Democrats, and much of the Republicans. Politically, I'm a Utilitarian without a rule. You want my voting record? I abstained from voting in 2016, thinking neither candidate was worth a damn. I voted Libertarian in 2020, same logic. Held my nose to vote for Trump in 2024, because Biden was really that terrible. Don't actually like Trump, or agree with what he says.

I have no idea what "nar realm" means. Google seemed to think it had something to do with Dungeons & Dragons. Never played that.

I'm not (capital-C) Catholic. I object to the papacy, in particular that there is any Vicar of Christ, and also to the hierarchy of priests placed over a laity, having the power to remit sins. I was raised in a charismatic church, educated in a reformed school, and have been an assistant pastor in a couple non-denoms. I currently attend a charismatic church.

I've spent a lot of time studying the Bible, and also the history, literature, and geography of the Ancient Near East where the Bible comes from. My beliefs don't really match cleanly to any particular denomination of Christianity - they're kind of "roll your own." That being said, I'm aware of where my beliefs are unorthodox, and I don't try to preach those. I'm not trying to start my own church.

at least it sounds better than most .
As for NAR . that means NEW APOSTOLIC REFORMATION . and my advice is HEED not a word one outta they lips .
And continue to stay DUG DEEP in them scriptures . As far as ecumeincalism .
IT is coming from THE RCC . The big unity we are one movement . its a snare too .
It always comes in with more truth in the beginning but quickly it will get worse .