Exactly...no one is perfect...or even close to perfection.
That's why we are given the righteousness of Christ Jesus.
Young rich ruler not saved, why ?
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That's why we are given the righteousness of Christ Jesus.
The opposite is true. The fruit of having the righteousness of God is that we walk in the perfection of Christ. If the criteria for God's righteous standard was that we are imperfect, then all men are saved. Are you are universalist? Or do you prefer your own salvation to that of others?
WHAT?????? Your statement makes absolutely no sense.
Yes, we are given the righteousness of Christ when we are born again.....but until we are fully sanctified and given our glorified bodies our "sin nature" will remain. As christians we still sin. My gospel said the blood of Christ washes away our sins when salvation is given to us.
Not all people will be saved...so no, I'm not a universalist.
No. Being born again is a sample of initial grace. You need to be baptized in the Spirit to get the full measure.
The cross of Christ takes away the power of the sin nature. This allows the inner man to enter into Christ as the new covering.
Until we are crucified...yes. Until we enter INTO Christ we still walk in our own power.
The sins that are past....
Salvation now is from sin. That's the only biblical real time salvation. The is no unconditional salvation. One must run the race of faith faithfully till the end.
INHERITING life (salvation) on judgment day is for the righteous....who don't know they are righteous.
These are the ONLY 2 standards. Holiness now by the covering of God's righteousness. Or else judgment based on human righteousness and God's mercy.
Mercy and glory.
PA, when Jesus was asked by this man about "INHERITING" eternal life, this man must have realized that an inheritance comes from someone else dying and then the funds are distributed. I wonder if Jesus was telling the man that you don't do any works to receive your inheritance. Salvation ( a gift ) likewise does not come by works. If you are going to bring in works for your inheritance we have te remove grace.
I believe that the man got saved after Jesus witnessed to him. Of course it is sheer speculation as to whether or not he was saved or unsaved. Whatever his decision, he knows the gospel now.
Jesus seems to be saying that he is indeed Good, thus making him God. I suspect the man had several questions during Jesus' presentation of the gospel. Jesus knows this man's secrets, fears, hopes, and believing.
What made you doubt this ruler's salvation?
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Because at that time, in that verse, there was No CROSS of CHRIST avaialble so that He could be saved.
Behold
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Salvation is Jesus's BLOOD and DEATH being offered to God for a Theological deceiver like Youi @Episkopos .
And there are no conditions you have to meet, as you are already qualified for Salvatioon by being a SIKNNER.
See, being a SINNER, is what Qualifies you for Salvation, and you certainly qualify.
"Jesus came into the world to SAVE SINNERS"........and we all qualified.
Bravo Sierra....Salvation is from spending eternity in Hell.
Now you preach a works based salvation.....but as we all know, and you should know by now...8For it is by grace you have been saved through faith, and this not from yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9not by works, so that no one can boast.
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I disagree. Surrendering all to Christ can be done without selling it to others. For the time being, all we have is Christ's and is at His disposal. Soon, this world will demand and require all we have unless we surrender to the mark. Them the promise is we may then buy and sell. Survive, but be a slave to the system. It will be then that we will be required, in order to be saved, to relinquish control over all things. Our homes, our jobs, our ability to buy food and shelter. Our ultimate source of life will of necessity them be God and Him alone. In the meantime, we must be willing to forsake all when the time comes. Which individually may come tomorrow if God asks. Its about attitude. Mindset. The man in the parable wasnt willing. The other apostles learned that lesson as they grew. Peter chose to go back fishing thinking Jesus had abandoned them.
+++++++++I disagree. Surrendering all to Christ can be done without selling it to others
The young rich ruler was told too
ALL believers in Acts 2.44-45 did
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Yes, situational requirement for the time. I have done that very thing when God asked. Sold all excerpt my car which I needed to get where God was sending me. Today, everything in the house can go tomorrow and I couldn't care less. It would actually be a blessing. None of it would be a blessing for others, and isnt even worth insuring.
All that being said, I am also aware that I could always be more generous with my time and and with what money I receive. I'm not claiming I'm prefect. Just saying that there are situational dynamics for every individual and every family. Do I want my elderly wife to be out on the street? Does God?
++++Yes, situational requirement for the time.
Confirms that not everything Jesus taught through His Apostles applies to everyone in every age.
++++ have done that very thing when God asked
How were you asked ?
++++Today, everything in the house can go tomorrow and I couldn't care less.
The young rich ruler thought differently
++++None of it would be a blessing for others, and isnt even worth insuring.
Regardless of value it's not going with you
++++Do I want my elderly wife to be out on the street?
I would say, no.
++++Does God ? >> I have done that very thing when God asked.
Would you do that if He asked you to ?
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A deviation from what?
No, I addressed the primary point that Jesus was making. The rich young man was not saved because he did not keep all of God's commands. That's one of the reasons the law was given. It shows us that we are by nature unrighteous.
This is not what the text says....you are putting in your twist on he text. He did keep God's commands as listed by Jesus. Jesus challenged the young man on PERFECTION not salvation..
Why are you so confused? Just read the text without the dogmatic ideology.
That is false. There are the naturally righteous ones...like Abel. God accepted his sacrifice. Read what is ACTUALLY written in the bible. Stop believing lies.
Would you condemn Abel to hell because he was naturally righteous (unlike Cain who was naturally unrighteous)?
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amigo de christo
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Namely because the man had no faith . And when presented with a scenario that would have him to give up
what he loved the most , HIS riches , he could not let go and would not Follow Christ .
Faith . IF one beleives Not in the one true GOD and His testimony then they have no faith .
And often this is seen in even those who CLAIM to have such faith in God .
Meaning that while they c liam to beleive in GOD , IN CHRIST
they do not BELIEVE HIS WORDS . making their faith as dead as a doornail .
Remember Israel . They claimed to BELIEVE IN GOD
and yet those men , cept caleb and joshua , when seeing the giants
ALL of a sudden their fear led them into UNBLEIEF . They no longer BLEIEVED GOD
when HE had said HE would go before them and cause them to inherit the land and cause their enemies
to perish from before them .
YOU see , OH we need to see , That it just aint enough to lip service .
HE or she who BELIEVES GOD , aka THAT DOES MEAN they would have BELEIVED HIS TESTIMONY HE GAVE on the SON
and that means THEY had beleived HIS words . HE who loves ME keeps MY commandments .
So why am i seeing so many in wool believing the twisted w ords of men OVER what is clearly written in THAT BIBLE .
And why on earth am i seeing so many chose to beleive a harlots love as THOUGH IT be THE LOVE OF GOD
And why on earth am i seeing so many choose to yoke hands with unbelievers , false religoins
And its intefaith of anti christ dialogue for peace .
WHEN clearly its peace plan SOLD A FAT LIE to all the religoins on earth as well as to christendom .
You see , GOD DONT LIE . and yet many sure seem to love a lie .
WHY am i seeing rainbows in our churches .
WHY am i seeing the love of money and its prosperity gospel messages
WHY am i seeing folks running together saying we are all catholic .
WHY am i seeing so many adding too and taking from the words of TRUTH and of G OD .
SEEMS to ME like many do BELIEVE , the only problem is THEY BELEIVE the words , the love , the lies
of a harlot and her ecuemincal all inclusive father the d evil . NOT GOD . they trust in men , NOT GOD .
WE do have serious and deadly problems in much of even christendom .
amigo de christo
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It all boils down to basically one thing .
FAITH .
Is it in GOD , thus would have been in His Christ , thus would have been in His words
or was it in man , in self , or in them leaders f leecing the pulpits .
You see WHO and WHAT we TRULY BELIEVE is who and what we TRULY obey .
Even israel found out the hard way . For though they cliamed to BELIEVE ON GOD
upon seeing the giants they no longer BELIEVED HIS WORDS .
And that darn sure was counted unto them AS UNBELIEF as they were THEN NOT ALLOWED access into the land .
Oh yes brakelite . WHO one BELEIVES IN , IS WHO ONE BELIEVES .
whether it be the darkness that plays as light
or whether it be THE LIGHT . But it will never be both .
IF one BELIEVES GOD they had BELIEVED HIS WORDS , HIS TESTIMONY ON THE SON
and if one BELIEVES ON THE SON , well then THEY HAD BELIEVED HIS WORDS , they had BELIEVED THE TRUTH .
And now a word .
For this cause came i into the world and for this reason was i born .
TO TESTIFY OF THE TRUTH and all that are of the TRUTH come TO ME .
Not budda , not the allah of the islam , not atheistism , not all inclusive anti christism ,
Not hindusim , not rainbow jesus , not koran kissing jesus , not the god who makes a peace plan
AND THEN D ENIES THE VERY PEACE OF GOD .
TRUTH . THEY BELIEVE TRUTH . FOR GOD has given THEM the SPIRIT OF TRUTH .
And the LORD JESUS they do follow and not the hirelings who fleece this people
TEHY dont follow an ecumeincal harlot and her love nor her all inclusie father satan . THEY DONT FOLLOW A liar
and they dont believe its lies .
TRUTH . And the TRUTH is , that GOD NOR HIS CHRIST , NOR HIS SPIRIT
IS a minstir of any sin or UNBELIEF . Someone lying to this generation brakelite .
And that someone and has ecumeincal harlot has sold a love and by that love has remolded
an image of a god that ALL RELIGOINS can and do and will believe to be GOD . WHEN ALL IT was , was the devil merging them all
as one and leading them all as one to , NOT PEACE N SAFETY , BUT TO THEIR OWN SUDDEN D ESTRUCTION
BY the ONE TRUE GOD , BY HIS HOLY CHRIST on THE DAY OF THE LORD . its all a snare and a set up brakelite .
YET MANY seem to beleive and to love a LIE .
amigo de christo
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God sure did accept the sacrfice of abel . On t hat you are correct .
And yet i sees me many INCLUSIVIANS that act as if ITS OKAY if one beleived not on
THE SACRFICE of GOD ALL MIGHTY , JESUS THE CHRIST .
Man you are full of hyprocrisy my friend .
For here you are rattling out some serious truths
AND YET ALLOW UNBELIEF a LIE to remain upon the false religoins , as well as an athiest .
And not only will you allow them to continue IN UNBLEIEF
YOU called me who preached the gospel of JESUS to an atheist , A RELIGIOUS extremists .
You often are real good about speaking on certain aspects of a holy walk
of righteousness
AND YET DENY THE DIRE NEED to BELEIVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST .
Talk about having a form of godliness but denying the POWER thereof .
The gospel of JESUS is THE POWER OF GOD epi .
FAITH EPI . ENTIALS we BELEIVE EPI . And i DO BELIEVE ALL of what JESUS said .
You only use a lot of his words , but DENY the POWER epi . You call those who preach the dire need to BELEIVE on JESUS
religious extremists . Proving you had called JESUS and the apostels ALL RELIGOUS extremists .
CAUSE I KNOW WHO and what THEY ALL preached epi . AND IT DARN sure was not INCLUSIVISM .
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