Conversation with An Atheist

[Wrangler]

It's currently the best way we have to date materials. Together with geology and the fossil record there seems to be a general consensus on accuracy.

1. Creationists have long pointed out a major problem with trusting radiometric dating methods: that they are often wrong on dates of known age, so why should we trust them on rocks of unknown age? Click here for the logic problems detailed.

• The circular reasoning is obvious: the radioactive dating is correct because of the type of rocks and fossils. The age of the type of rocks and fossils is correct because of the radioactive dating.

2. Radiometric back flips; How solid are those dates? · Videos

 

[Wrangler]

We know that the OT God didn't create the earth with Pangaea as the land mass as suggested above.

How do you know this?

The Mediterranean is mentioned numerous times but wouldn't have existed in the time frame.

You're just repeating your assertion in a Circular reasoning display. Why couldn't Pangaea break up and the Mediterranean form quickly during the flood?

 

[Marvelloustime]

as usual i see lots of mentioning of perhaps some good works , buT not word one ABOUT HAVING TO FIRST
BELEIVE ON JESUS CHRIST so as one can RECIEVE the MERCY of GOD .
You really think man can do good enough and be good enough, WITHOUT FAITH .
not gonna happen epi . So i had to come on here and let this other person know
OF the absolute dire need TO FIRST BELEIVE ON JESUS , And then let us do the good works HE taught and commanded us
TO DO . but without FAITH EPI , wont no man or woman be pleasing GOD . And GOD testified ON CHRIST JESUS .

@amigo de christo

 

[Marvelloustime]

A hearty amen to that sister .
LET US POINT TO CHRIST JESUS .
For in HE ALONE is salvation . And what must i do sirs to be saved .
BELIEVE YE ON JESUS THE CHRIST . Salvation is not by faith in amigo or what i say
Salvation darn sure does not come by the all inclusive god who is satan either .
AND JESUS WIL LGET THE GLORY , FOR GOD will have the GLORY .
And to deny HIM , HIS GOSPEL , to call GOD A LIAR like incluisivitiy does , DOES NOT HONOR GOD
DOES NOT HONOR THE SON . it simply calls HIM A LIAR . For my preaching of the dire need to believe ON JESUS
ol epi called me AN EXTREMIST . kinda odd dont ya thin k. JESUS said the same , and all the apostels said the same .
SOON our betrayal will come sister . we will be seen as nothing more than extremists and a danger to satans world peace,
ONLY they will think its GODS world peace plan .

@amigo de christo

 

[Episkopos]

@amigo de christo
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More nonsensical out of context scripture monkey activity. It's so empty of life...just religious extremist propaganda. Way to take the Lord's name in vain (vanity) . Virtue signalling while fully ignoring that there are humans to relate to.

Deplorable repetitive behaviour. Stop with all the copy pasting mindlessness.

 

[Marvelloustime]

You are in dire grave danger . And where would the love of GOD be in me , IF I DIDNT POINT
you To CHRIST JESUS . SEEING GOD does not desire the death of any but rather their repentance .
So too do i desire Not your death but rather that you have eternal life .
And that is FOUND ONLY in JESUS CHRIST . sadly more and more even in christendom
no longer even Beleive its necessary to BELIEVE on JESUS . But for years they often did use His name
to do evil . So no suprise they too now buy the lie . When all do stand before HIM
on judgment day , many will wail and perhaps the worst thought in their minds will be ,
WHY did i just keep rejecting CHRIST when all i had to do WAS BELEIVE .
Regret will flood upon many but on that day it will be too late .
God has always desired good for humanity , but humanity often desires not what is GOOD for them .
And i can easily tell you why that is . Because i myself was once just as guilty of it .
REmember where JESUS said the only condemnation one has is that they will NOT come to the LIGHT ,
lest their d eeds be exposed , reproved . I too once jus wanted to live in sin
having all the cares and pleasures in this life . My oh my how lost i truly was indeed .
And this is of ten why we also see
IN CHURCHES the creation of another jesus . The jesus that while it promises salvation
ALSO GIVES THEM the evil desires of their sinful heart . LIKE the love of money
or whatever other sin it was they loved . But that AINT JESUS and thus it cannot save them .

@amigo de christo

 

[CrowCross]

Day one let there be light..... Day four our sun is created?
Day three vegetation without sun?
Pangaea? Continental drift?
We know how landlocked seas came into being. We know that this was a slow process and didn't happen all at once.
Are dinosaurs mentioned at all? Where do we get dinosaur fossils from? I've re-read Genesis 1 and it's not at all compatible with modern day science.

Genesis 1 is very compatible with the bible.

Question....What do you need to make a fossil?
Answer......a quick burial.

Question...where do we see that in Genesis?
Answer...the world wide flood of Noah.

In your post you said..."Pangaea? Continental drift?"
Do you know the bible has a mechanism for that?
Psalms 105:
5He set the earth on its foundations,
so that it should never be moved.
6You covered it with the deep as with a garment;
the waters stood above the mountains.
7At your rebuke they fled;
at the sound of your thunder they took to flight.
8The mountains rose, the valleys sank down
to the place that you appointed for them.
9You set a boundary that they may not pass,
so that they might not again cover the earth.

You started your response with...."Day one let there be light..... Day four our sun is created?"

Once again the bible gives an answer....

Rev 21: 23 And the city has no need of sun or moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and its lamp is the Lamb. 24 By its light will the nations walk,

 

[CrowCross]

It's currently the best way we have to date materials. Together with geology and the fossil record there seems to be a general consensus on accuracy.
I was reading today about Norwegian Lemmings and Italian Wall Lizards.... Interesting stuff. Then I read about the appearance of Homosapiens and our primate cousins, the Gibbon branch that splintered away before that, and the missing link that ties it all together.
I'm thinking that a certain amount of guesswork is involved due to the huge amount of time required for notable changes to occur, but those changes do show in the fossil record.
Of course we have significant gaps in our knowledge, we're not able to travel back in time there is no way that humans could possibly witness the gradual change from one species to another... But a creator could, that's if that was the intention all along.

You posted..." but those changes do show in the fossil record.".....Do they???

 

[amigo de christo]

More nonsensical out of context scripture monkey activity. It's so empty of life...just religious extremist propaganda. Way to take the Lord's name in vain (vanity) . Virtue signalling while fully ignoring that there are humans to relate to.

Deplorable repetitive behaviour. Stop with all the copy pasting mindlessness.

Epi , i was just about to type , that you never cease to amaze me with how lost you are .
BUT that aint t rue . so i wont lie .
I HAVE LONG KNOWN what inclusvism teaches . You aint even began to preach the half of it
to this people . THEY have no idea what you believe . I DO .
AND I BODLY REFUSE IT with all my heart , with all my mind . IT is A LIE . but my how you love it so .
But again that does not suprise me in the least .
SO i wont try and say it does .

 

[amigo de christo]

More nonsensical out of context scripture monkey activity. It's so empty of life...just religious extremist propaganda. Way to take the Lord's name in vain (vanity) . Virtue signalling while fully ignoring that there are humans to relate to.

Deplorable repetitive behaviour. Stop with all the copy pasting mindlessness.

of course to YOU its monkey activity . and so empty of life . and just religious extremists propoganda .
BUT IT IS SCRIPTURE EPI . And it does expose the lie of anti christ , its inclusive god and its harlot .
You want the reminders of having to believe on JESUS to be ceased .
SO YOU can plant the love of your heart unto this people . You have loved a lie my friend . A lie .
And of course you gonna try and say scriptures out of context .
CAUSE those scriptures SO EASILY and so simply Expose the inclusive broad path of unbelief .
IT DONT t ake rockte science
to figure out JESUS meant what HE SAID about HAVING TO BELIEVE ON HIM
NOR what the apostles would later preach and even warn about what would come upon those who BELIEVED NOT .
You aint no different than the ones you accuse about their own wacked out context .
YOU simply preach context BY INCLUSIVISM . you see it all t rhough that lens .
Just like many others do . YOU GUILTY epi . and worse , what you beleive is worse than even hyper grace .
THOUGH hyper grace is as dangerous cause it misleads .
YOU LEAD THIS PEOPLE TO THE LIE epi . at least early on OSAS didnt do that , though they did mess some things up .
YOU led that atheist to A LIE . A LIE epi . you made his unbleief SEEM OKAY
so long as he did good to a righteous man . ITS YOU who is lost and you have no idea at all .

 

[Marvelloustime]

of course to YOU its monkey activity . and so empty of life . and just religious extremists propoganda .
BUT IT IS SCRIPTURE EPI . And it does expose the lie of anti christ , its inclusive god and its harlot .
You want the reminders of having to believe on JESUS to be ceased .
SO YOU can plant the love of your heart unto this people . You have loved a lie my friend . A lie .
And of course you gonna try and say scriptures out of context .
CAUSE those scriptures SO EASILY and so simply Expose the inclusive broad path of unbelief .
IT DONT t ake rockte science
to figure out JESUS meant what HE SAID about HAVING TO BELIEVE ON HIM
NOR what the apostles would later preach and even warn about what would come upon those who BELIEVED NOT .
You aint no different than the ones you accuse about their own wacked out context .
YOU simply preach context BY INCLUSIVISM . you see it all t rhough that lens .
Just like many others do . YOU GUILTY epi . and worse , what you beleive is worse than even hyper grace .
THOUGH hyper grace is as dangerous cause it misleads .
YOU LEAD THIS PEOPLE TO THE LIE epi . at least early on OSAS didnt do that , though they did mess some things up .
YOU led that atheist to A LIE . A LIE epi . you made his unbleief SEEM OKAY
so long as he did good to a righteous man . ITS YOU who is lost and you have no idea at all .

@amigo de christo

 

[Episkopos]

@amigo de christo
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More scripture monkey antics...no thinking, no context, just propaganda that has no reason except to water down any truth being related.

 

[Mancunian]

You posted..." but those changes do show in the fossil record.".....Do they???

The fossil record shows a clear chronological progression of life on Earth, moving from simple, single-celled organisms in the oldest rock layers to increasingly complex and diverse multi-cellular life in newer layers.

 

[Episkopos]

of course to YOU its monkey activity . and so empty of life . and just religious extremists propoganda .
BUT IT IS SCRIPTURE EPI . And it does expose the lie of anti christ , its inclusive god and its harlot .
You want the reminders of having to believe on JESUS to be ceased .
SO YOU can plant the love of your heart unto this people . You have loved a lie my friend . A lie .
And of course you gonna try and say scriptures out of context .
CAUSE those scriptures SO EASILY and so simply Expose the inclusive broad path of unbelief .
IT DONT t ake rockte science
to figure out JESUS meant what HE SAID about HAVING TO BELIEVE ON HIM
NOR what the apostles would later preach and even warn about what would come upon those who BELIEVED NOT .
You aint no different than the ones you accuse about their own wacked out context .
YOU simply preach context BY INCLUSIVISM . you see it all t rhough that lens .
Just like many others do . YOU GUILTY epi . and worse , what you beleive is worse than even hyper grace .
THOUGH hyper grace is as dangerous cause it misleads .
YOU LEAD THIS PEOPLE TO THE LIE epi . at least early on OSAS didnt do that , though they did mess some things up .
YOU led that atheist to A LIE . A LIE epi . you made his unbleief SEEM OKAY
so long as he did good to a righteous man . ITS YOU who is lost and you have no idea at all .

The lie is in your extremism and judgementalism. It is plain that you have very little intellect to bring to bear...all you have are repetitive slogans that are fully out of context. Like chicken little with his "the sky is falling" panic. That's what you have....panic. And that panic is induced by your own lack of faith and your own dire need to surrender your life to Christ...for real. You need to simply be pushing the dire need you are ignoring back onto yourself. You need to stop the cardboard and shallow sloganeering and actually turn your life over to God. Then you will stop panicking and judging and being silly. Then, you will be able to have a cohesive conversation and develop actual relationships. All you have are scripture monkeys to support your religious delusions. They are just as unstable as you are.

So stop the panicking and learn to rest in the Lord. And stop judging from your own carnal vantage point.

I'm starting to think you are smoke screening to try diverting attention from a big problem you have....beyond drinking too much. You rail about everything but never speak of LGBTQ issues. Is there a problem there? People who can't stop railing against what they see as liberal ideas are often overcompensating because they have secret addictions or attractions.

Whatever your issue, it's a serious one. And you will never find rest until you surrender your life to God....not just believe things about Jesus.

You need prayers and help.

 

[Episkopos]

What needs to be understood here is that mindless scripture monkeying gets in the way of people realizing and progressing into the truth. Maybe that's the point of it.

 

[Mancunian]

How do you know this?



You're just repeating your assertion in a Circular reasoning display. Why couldn't Pangaea break up and the Mediterranean form quickly during the flood?

where was eden in the bible

The Bible places the Garden of Eden "in the east" within a region described by four major rivers: the Tigris, the Euphrates, the Pishon, and the Gihon.

Biblical Clues

• • The Rivers: Genesis 2:10–14 mentions that a river flowed out of Eden and split into four branches: the Tigris and Euphrates (associated with Mesopotamia), alongside the Pishon (winding through Havilah) and the Gihon (associated with Cush).
  • The Topography: The text implies a source spring within Eden that fed the garden on a higher elevation before dividing into these waterways.

Leading Theories

• • Mesopotamia / Iraq: Many scholars look to the Tigris-Euphrates River Valley in modern-day Iraq and surrounding areas, where the two known rivers converge or run close together.

 

[Mancunian]

Sorry about the messy post above, I still haven't got to grips with the quote tags when I'm pasting information.

 

[Mancunian]

The Bible gives a fairly specific location for Eden. A location that points to the near/middle east.
Were the rivers mentioned in scripture there before and after the flood?
All of these waterways flow into seas that didn't exist on Pangaea...
There was one land mass and one ocean.

These rivers flow into the Persian gulf, debatable whether the strait of Hormuz existed on the supercontinent.

 

[Wrangler]

How do you know this?



You're just repeating your assertion in a Circular reasoning display. Why couldn't Pangaea break up and the Mediterranean form quickly during the flood?

Were the rivers mentioned in scripture there before and after the flood?

My friend, you’re changing the subject and avoiding the question by returning with a question.

I’ll be happy to talk about it all but please answer the questions I asked first. If you’re too afraid the answers will reveal the faith you have but cannot prove, I understand. My Logic professor responded to an insightful question about syllogisms; you can’t prove everything. Something has to be taken as true without proof for the power of logic to then be used.

 

[Mancunian]

My friend, you’re changing the subject and avoiding the question by returning with a question.

I’ll be happy to talk about it all but please answer the questions I asked first. If you’re too afraid the answers will reveal the faith you have but cannot prove, I understand. My Logic professor responded to an insightful question about syllogisms; you can’t prove everything. Something has to be taken as true without proof for the power of logic to then be used.

I'm pointing out that before the flood the Persian gulf existed, and so did the Mediterranean for that matter. The Bible refers to it as the western border or the great sea.
We know that these rivers terminate in the Indian ocean (Persian gulf) which didn't exist at the time of Pangaea.
Small seas, gulfs and straits were formed by continental drift and the breaking apart of the supercontinent.
The dead sea existed, the Black sea existed and so did the Caspian sea in biblical times. Was Noah's flood water fresh or salt water, or a mixture of the two?
I don't have a faith btw.... I don't pretend to know the answers but I don't take anything on faith.