Outer Darkness: a possible destiny for the saved

[MostlyConfused]

How can people become twice dead who were never given life for the second time?

I just spent hours this morning delving into that post of his. After it concluded, I was full, happy, blessed, grateful, but without a single desire to respond to it.
Paul said sin revived in him. Alive apart from the law and under grace, sin revived, died again.
Its difficult to grasp because…well, if you are in it but not ever moved past it ever yet.

 

[Episkopos]

I just spent hours this morning delving into that post of his. After it concluded, I was full, happy, blessed, grateful, but without a single desire to respond to it.
Paul said sin revived in him. Alive apart from the law and under grace, sin revived, died again.
Its difficult to grasp because…well, if you are in it but not ever moved past it ever yet.

Most people here know nothing of the things of God beyond having a religious opinion based on a faulty reading of the bible. And they have learned their twisted views from others who were twisted before them.

An evangelical is TRYING to be saved by ACCEPTING a religious proposition....and then hypocritically condemning any human effort to be saved apart from grace.

Well, their whole scheme is by the human effort of forming a religious opinion to save themselves., It's all the flesh.

 

[Episkopos]

Evangelicals are taught to trust in their own salvation thinking that is the same as faith in God. But it is directly opposed to a true faith in God. Beliefs and faith are opposed to each other. They are on an entirely different plane...or level. Beliefs come from the flesh and are self-seeking. Faith comes from self-abnegation. A letting go of self-interest.

 

[MostlyConfused]

Evangelicals are taught to trust in their own salvation thinking that is the same as faith in God.

That’s shockingly succinct.

 

[amigo de christo]

How can people become twice dead who were never given life for the second time?

your kidding .................right ..........
We were dead in sins and trespasses . those who fail to beleive on JESUS the Christ
Only they shall taste the second death .
See epi . I was dead once . had i failed to Believe on JESUS , i had remained dead
and then at my end face the second death .
If i were you , however i would weep and wail f or any and for all
who made void the preaching of the dire need to BELEIVE on JESUS
and had rather sold inclusivism . Now if you see ANY that does that you rebuke them sharply
SO go ahead epi , first go and look in the mirror and rebuke that man .
Then after repenting you get up and make a tour going around to every site or person
you ever preached inclusivitiy too. And plead with them to no longer beleive it .
Of course if any have already died , you wont be accountable for that .
BUT IF YOU repent not , you will be held accountable for the blood of many .
SO i have a real good idea for you .
Rather than calling those who do preach the dire need to beleive on JESUS , an extremist .
YOU start preaching the dire need to BELIEVE ON JESUS
and then teach aspects about the christain walk that FOLLOWS JESUS .
but whatever you do , c ease and dissest from that inclusive gospel of UNBELEIF .

 

[MostlyConfused]

your kidding .................right ..........
We were dead in sins and trespasses . those who fail to beleive on JESUS the Christ
Only they shall taste the second death .

It appears by scripture to be true that if you receive the down payment you will live forever. (Otherwise, the outer darkness would not, could not, BE forever. I’m still in either a horrified denial OR some can possibly escape it during or after the 1,000 years. I have no certainty on that and only 2 verses that could support it where I’d rather have 3.) However, that you will not die the second death is not a place to rest and grow smug in, otherwise we would not have all the warnings we are given. Insisting that the warnings are for unbelievers is just sheer ignorance gone to seed.

 

[shepherdsword]

Evangelicals are taught to trust in their own salvation thinking that is the same as faith in God. But it is directly opposed to a true faith in God. Beliefs and faith are opposed to each other. They are on an entirely different plane...or level. Beliefs come from the flesh and are self-seeking. Faith comes from self-abnegation. A letting go of self-interest.

I have been thinking alot about this. What about the position that has God WANTING us to grasp and claim His salvation promises by Faith? Is it unbelief to see oneself as blind and miserable (which I do) when He has declared you as His son and holy and unblameable in his sight? I don't want to declare a righteousness for myself but is it pride to acknowledge that HE has made us righteous? (I hope this comes out right, I am not sure I am getting the point of my question across) In other words, I don't want to dishonor my heavenly Father by agreeing with the devil about my state. Not when God declares me a brand plucked from the fire and clothes me with a new wardrobe.

 

[amigo de christo]

It appears by scripture to be true that if you receive the down payment you will live forever. (Otherwise, the outer darkness would not, could not, BE forever. I’m still in either a horrified denial OR some can possibly escape it during or after the 1,000 years. I have no certainty on that and only 2 verses that could support it where I’d rather have 3.) However, that you will not die the second death is not a place to rest and grow smug in, otherwise we would not have all the warnings we are given. Insisting that the warnings are for unbelievers is just sheer ignorance gone to seed.

you all worry about nonsense . I dont mean to sound rude .
But all this outer darkness and etc and worrying over whether or not etc .
Would you like to know what i see the majority of christains doing these days .
RATHER THAN PREACHING the absolute dire necessity to BELEIVE ON JESUS
they go around figuring out how the unsaved will later be saved . what nonsense .
and truly what a waste of time .
HEY we are all on earth now . So i suggest we preach JESUS to those st ill on earth .
LET GOD do as GOD does on the day of judgment
and let all who name the name of JESUS RATHER FOCUS on the WHO and what CAN and DOES save a man .
Inclusivism is but the end means sent to a decieved world and to a christendom
that would not repent . and what A LIE it sold them all . As not only does it omit the sev erity of GOD
it preaches a false love , a false hope , a false goodness of God , a false mercy of GOD
That wont save one soul but will damn them all .
WE , yes you me and all who c alled upon the name of JESUS , should never have departed
f rom the original gospel , nor ever once followed any jesus who accepted any sin .
This generation needs a serious wake up call.
SO i will give it . THIS all inclusive lovey do god that many now think is GOD .
IT MADE BROAD the road to GOD , IT IS NOT OF GOD , its the devil duping every last one
to believe it is so they , LIKE H IM , will meet their destruction at their end .
SOMEONE HAS TO SAY IT . SO I WILL .

 

[Episkopos]

I have been thinking alot about this. What about the position that has God WANTING us to grasp and claim His salvation promises by Faith? Is it unbelief to see oneself as blind and miserable (which I do) when He has declared you as His son and holy and unblameable in his sight? I don't want to declare a righteousness for myself but is it pride to acknowledge that HE has made us righteous? (I hope this comes out right, I am not sure I am getting the point of my question across) In other words, I don't want to dishonor my heavenly Father by agreeing with the devil about my state. Not when God declares me a brand plucked from the fire and clothes me with a new wardrobe.

You are seeing the cleverness of the lie. It is God who has given us the option of the greatest delusion of all time. Naming and claiming that the very best outcome is there for us just by claiming it. I mean...talk about best case scenario. And that option is intoxicating for the ego centered person who has been looking out for "number 1" his entire life.

Is the gospel an ego salvation? Come as you are, no questions asked??? If so why isn't everyone an evangelical?

The answer is that the righteous know a scam when they hear one. The devil offers us a quick and easy way around the cross. But not God. That's why God doesn't have too many friends.

If we love the lie then we will be smug in self-assurance and able to comfort ourselves with the utopian view that God will never judge us for what we do. Of course that will make us lawless in God's eyes so that we will add ourselves to the quota of those who are rejected into outer darkness....a darkness we have claimed ourselves to be saved in. So God will oblige them....giving them as they have declared.

 

[JimKnox]

The solution to this thread is found in the doctrine of Millenial Kingdom Exclusion.

Look it up.

 

[amigo de christo]

You are seeing the cleverness of the lie. It is God who has given us the option of the greatest delusion of all time. Naming and claiming that the very best outcome is there for us just by claiming it. I mean...talk about best case scenario. And that option is intoxicating for the ego centered person who has been looking out for "number 1" his entire life.

Is the gospel an ego salvation? Come as you are, no questions asked??? If so why isn't everyone an evangelical?

The answer is that the righteous know a scam when they hear one. The devil offers us a quick and easy way around the cross. But not God. That's why God doesn't have too many friends.

If we love the lie then we will be smug in self-assurance and able to comfort ourselves with the utopian view that God will never judge us for what we do. Of course that will make us lawless in God's eyes so that we will add ourselves to the quota of those who are rejected into outer darkness....a darkness we have claimed ourselves to be saved in. So God will oblige them....giving them as they have declared.

repent and beleive . its on t hose who refuse to do so , their damnation awaits .
As the damanation of all who by means of false inclusvie love made void
the dire necessity to beleive from the heart that GOD rose Christ from the dead and to confess him by mouth .
And a lip service from a heart that still loves and clings to the sins , IS A FALSE conversion epi .

 

[Episkopos]

repent and beleive . its on t hose who refuse to do so , their damnation awaits .
As the damanation of all who by means of false inclusvie love made void
the dire necessity to beleive from the heart that GOD rose Christ from the dead and to confess him by mouth .
And a lip service from a heart that still loves and clings to the sins , IS A FALSE conversion epi .

So are you going to repent after this admission of yours?

 

[amigo de christo]

So are you going to repent after this admission of yours?

I came to the understanding long ago .
And that understanding was and is this ,
In Christ alone is salvation . And i bank all i have
that FAITH IN JESUS is all i will ever need . HE will give me all i need to stand faithful and firm
to the end . I have banked all on that fact . There will be No false hope coming from me . thus no false inclusvie gospel .
IN JESUS i overcome and shall overcome . And without him i can do nothing .
BUT in HIM and by him , I can do all things necessary an d that which pleases God .
So , like i told some of you a few weeks back
I have decided to grab the all inclusive bull by the horns and expose the entire ecumeincal inclusive house
of anti christ for all it ever was . A LIE meant only for the destruction of all who do believe its false love and false hope .
THERE IS ONLY ONE . ONLY ONE who did and only one who can SAVE . THE CHRIST OF GOD
and no other . And to be saved YE MUST beleive . All who believe not have not the TRUTH in them .
as for you , you can continue to hope in that false inclusive god . But it will not save you or any other who goes into
its inclusivity .

 

[Marvelloustime]

your kidding .................right ..........
We were dead in sins and trespasses . those who fail to beleive on JESUS the Christ
Only they shall taste the second death .
See epi . I was dead once . had i failed to Believe on JESUS , i had remained dead
and then at my end face the second death .
If i were you , however i would weep and wail f or any and for all
who made void the preaching of the dire need to BELEIVE on JESUS
and had rather sold inclusivism . Now if you see ANY that does that you rebuke them sharply
SO go ahead epi , first go and look in the mirror and rebuke that man .
Then after repenting you get up and make a tour going around to every site or person
you ever preached inclusivitiy too. And plead with them to no longer beleive it .
Of course if any have already died , you wont be accountable for that .
BUT IF YOU repent not , you will be held accountable for the blood of many .
SO i have a real good idea for you .
Rather than calling those who do preach the dire need to beleive on JESUS , an extremist .
YOU start preaching the dire need to BELIEVE ON JESUS
and then teach aspects about the christain walk that FOLLOWS JESUS .
but whatever you do , c ease and dissest from that inclusive gospel of UNBELEIF .

@amigo de christo

 

[Marvelloustime]

you all worry about nonsense . I dont mean to sound rude .
But all this outer darkness and etc and worrying over whether or not etc .
Would you like to know what i see the majority of christains doing these days .
RATHER THAN PREACHING the absolute dire necessity to BELEIVE ON JESUS
they go around figuring out how the unsaved will later be saved . what nonsense .
and truly what a waste of time .
HEY we are all on earth now . So i suggest we preach JESUS to those st ill on earth .
LET GOD do as GOD does on the day of judgment
and let all who name the name of JESUS RATHER FOCUS on the WHO and what CAN and DOES save a man .
Inclusivism is but the end means sent to a decieved world and to a christendom
that would not repent . and what A LIE it sold them all . As not only does it omit the sev erity of GOD
it preaches a false love , a false hope , a false goodness of God , a false mercy of GOD
That wont save one soul but will damn them all .
WE , yes you me and all who c alled upon the name of JESUS , should never have departed
f rom the original gospel , nor ever once followed any jesus who accepted any sin .
This generation needs a serious wake up call.
SO i will give it . THIS all inclusive lovey do god that many now think is GOD .
IT MADE BROAD the road to GOD , IT IS NOT OF GOD , its the devil duping every last one
to believe it is so they , LIKE H IM , will meet their destruction at their end .
SOMEONE HAS TO SAY IT . SO I WILL .

@amigo de christo

 

[Episkopos]

I came to the understanding long ago .
And that understanding was and is this ,
In Christ alone is salvation . And i bank all i have
that FAITH IN JESUS is all i will ever need . HE will give me all i need to stand faithful and firm
to the end . I have banked all on that fact . There will be No false hope coming from me . thus no false inclusvie gospel .
IN JESUS i overcome and shall overcome . And without him i can do nothing .
BUT in HIM and by him , I can do all things necessary an d that which pleases God .
So , like i told some of you a few weeks back
I have decided to grab the all inclusive bull by the horns and expose the entire ecumeincal inclusive house
of anti christ for all it ever was . A LIE meant only for the destruction of all who do believe its false love and false hope .
THERE IS ONLY ONE . ONLY ONE who did and only one who can SAVE . THE CHRIST OF GOD
and no other . And to be saved YE MUST beleive . All who believe not have not the TRUTH in them .
as for you , you can continue to hope in that false inclusive god . But it will not save you or any other who goes into
its inclusivity .

You have faith ABOUT Jesus...whom you don't know in Spirit and truth. And you are banking on a religious proposition that all you have to do is mentally accept the proposition and you are GUARANTEED a super great outcome, all expenses paid. Like a utopian getaway on a Caribbean island where all the drinks are free. You have the ticket that promises you the eternal jackpot. Let the hubris begin.

So you have taken in the false decoy gospel that was designed for the rich and spoiled and self-interested to catch them in their religious pride. Naturally you can't resist such a message. But God has to weed out the religious nuts...so He sees who will take the devil's bait. Easy catch.

The truth, on the other hand, requires a full surrender with NO GUARANTEES....it is by faith in God's CHARACTER. IF God accepts you He translates you to walk in resurrection life and power. Then you have a testimony...but still not a guarantee. The flesh wants guarantees....and the false spirits offer them....but NOT GOD.

 

[Marvelloustime]

I came to the understanding long ago .
And that understanding was and is this ,
In Christ alone is salvation . And i bank all i have
that FAITH IN JESUS is all i will ever need . HE will give me all i need to stand faithful and firm
to the end . I have banked all on that fact . There will be No false hope coming from me . thus no false inclusvie gospel .
IN JESUS i overcome and shall overcome . And without him i can do nothing .
BUT in HIM and by him , I can do all things necessary an d that which pleases God .
So , like i told some of you a few weeks back
I have decided to grab the all inclusive bull by the horns and expose the entire ecumeincal inclusive house
of anti christ for all it ever was . A LIE meant only for the destruction of all who do believe its false love and false hope .
THERE IS ONLY ONE . ONLY ONE who did and only one who can SAVE . THE CHRIST OF GOD
and no other . And to be saved YE MUST beleive . All who believe not have not the TRUTH in them .
as for you , you can continue to hope in that false inclusive god . But it will not save you or any other who goes into
its inclusivity .

@amigo de christo

 

[amigo de christo]

You have faith ABOUT Jesus...whom you don't know in Spirit and truth. And you are banking on a religious proposition that all you have to do is mentally accept the proposition and you are GUARANTEED a super great outcome, all expenses paid. Like a utopian getaway on a Caribbean island where all the drinks are free. You have the ticket that promises you the eternal jackpot. Let the hubris begin.

So you have taken in the false decoy gospel that was designed for the rich and spoiled and self-interested to catch them in their religious pride. Naturally you can't resist such a message. But God has to weed out the religious nuts...so He sees who will take the devil's bait. Easy catch.

The truth, on the other hand, requires a full surrender with NO GUARANTEES....it is by faith in God's CHARACTER. IF God accepts you He translates you to walk in resurrection life and power. Then you have a testimony...but still not a guarantee. The flesh wants guarantees....and the false spirits offer them....but NOT GOD.

Epi you have faith in another jesus . If your faith and truly been IN HIM
you had ne ver accepted the global inclusivity plan .
And the gospel i teach is the same one the apostles did . Who did go around preaching the dire need
TO believe in JESUS . A full surrender to JESUS , not to the lie of inclusv ity epi .
You surrendered to something else that simply used the name of JESUS
and His teachings but calls preaching the dire need to beleive on HIM , reli gious extremism .
Someone lied to you epi . And GOD dont lie .

 

[Episkopos]

Epi you have faith in another jesus . If your faith and truly been IN HIM
you had ne ver accepted the global inclusivity plan .

In your extremist ideology you are contradicting the bible. Jesus died for the sins of the world. He is the saviour of the whole world especially them that believe. Especially but not exclusively because Jesus didn't come to call the righteous to repentance but sinners. The righteous don't need repentance the way a healthy person doesn't need a doctor.

Find any verse that says...for God so loved the church...

God does NOT care if you claim Jesus as your saviour or not. You will be judged by your WORKS...and right now these condemn you as a hypocrite.

 

[amigo de christo]

In your extremist ideology you are contradicting the bible. Jesus died for the sins of the world. He is the saviour of the whole world especially them that believe. Especially but not exclusively because Jesus didn't come to call the righteous to repentance but sinners. The righteous don't need repentance the way a healthy person doesn't need a doctor.

Find any verse that says...for God so loved the church...

God does NOT care if you claim Jesus as your saviour or not. You will be judged by your WORKS...and right now these condemn you as a hypocrite.

odd epi how you use those verses , that pual himself wrote
and also the verse where JESUS said for GOD so loved the world
But unlike JESUS and unlike paul YOU wont preach the dire necessity to have to beleive on JESUS .
which means you are using such verses INCORRECTLY .
However seeing you did bring up what JESUS said
allow me TO FINISH that verse .
For GOD so loved THE WORLD that he sent His only begotten son
that all WHO DO BELEIVE on HIM would NOT PERISH
but have EVERLASTING LIFE .
OOPS , someone lied to you epi .