Does The Resurrection Take Place On The Last Day, With All Dead In The Grave Coming Forth?
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Davy
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Now those who want us to treat Christ's future literal "thousand years" reign of Revelation 20 only as a symbol have been wrongly taught that because of deception by "antichrists" that have crept into portions of Christ's Church. They wrongly try to apply that "thousand years" as symbolic of the time of the cross forward, as if Christ's Kingdom was officially established on earth at the cross.
Because Lord Jesus said in John 18:36 that His Kingdom is not of this present world, why would those "antichrists" push such a lie about His Kingdom already having come on earth today, and thus the 1,000 years relates to that as a symbol?
It is because the "antichrists" are preparing those of the world (including deceived brethren who follow them), for their coming 'king', the false-Messiah, the king of the bottomless pit who has the titles also of Abaddon, and Apollyon (Rev.9).
Satan is coming to our world, with his angels. And he is coming to mimic Christ and His future Kingdom. Satan is not coming as his old self; he is coming to offer the world peace and prosperity, ending all wars. This is what the deceived Preterists are being prepared for by the "antichrists" they allow over them.
Because Lord Jesus said in John 18:36 that His Kingdom is not of this present world, why would those "antichrists" push such a lie about His Kingdom already having come on earth today, and thus the 1,000 years relates to that as a symbol?
It is because the "antichrists" are preparing those of the world (including deceived brethren who follow them), for their coming 'king', the false-Messiah, the king of the bottomless pit who has the titles also of Abaddon, and Apollyon (Rev.9).
Satan is coming to our world, with his angels. And he is coming to mimic Christ and His future Kingdom. Satan is not coming as his old self; he is coming to offer the world peace and prosperity, ending all wars. This is what the deceived Preterists are being prepared for by the "antichrists" they allow over them.
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Jesus' Kingdom is in heaven and reigning right now as our King. Our citizenship is in heaven and not on this earth.
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John's (The Beast) and (The Two Witnesses) are revealed in Jerusalem, this starts the 3.5 year tribulation
Immediately after this tribulation Jesus returns in fire and final judgment, and in the twinkling of and eye the resurrection of all and final judgment takes place, eternity begins for the unsaved wicked in the lake of fire, the righteous in the new heavens, earth, Jerusalem (Eternity)
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The two witnesses have been here for 2000 yrs. Its prophesy. Jesus answers this too. The olive tree is the Holy Spirit and the lampstand is the church. We know the church is the Lampstand from Revelation 1. Besides the olive tree oil that represents the Holy Spirit, Jesus tells us in Acts 1:8-But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”
You can't witness without the Holy Spirit. What about the fire that destroys anyone that harms them?
Jerimiah 3:14 -
Because you speak this word,
Behold, I will make My words in your mouth fire,
And this people wood,
And it shall devour them.
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I Disagree With Your Interpretation, The (Two Witnesses) are future prophets that will have physical bodies that die and they will lay dead for 3.5 literal days in a Jerusalem street Rev 11:3-18
Perhaps you can wait for the end of the tribulation to be resurrected..but as for me, I'll be at the marriage supper of the Lamb before the end of the tribulation occurs.
Davy
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That's an idea the Pre-trib Rapture doctors thought up. They got it by twisting Apostle Paul's words in Galatians 4 about those of us in Christ being of the symbolic free woman, because Jerusalem above is free. And also they misinterpret the "heavenly places" idea by Apostle Paul in the Book of Ephesians.
In the Galatians 4 example, if one follows all that Scripture to end about heavenly Jerusalem, they will discover Paul quoting from Isaiah 54 about "Blessed are the barren..." which is for the time WHEN JESUS RETURNS TO THIS EARTH. It's not about an event up in the sky in the heavenly, it's about the future time of Christ's inheritance of the throne of David ON EARTH, with His future reign over ALL NATIONS AND PEOPLES.
Have you not read Revelation 21 about the new Jerusalem coming down from God TO THIS EARTH?
So when you read Apostle Paul speaking about our association with Christ in heavenly places, that is about our 'spirit' having been "born again" through Jesus Christ; it's about spiritual matters.
And Lord Jesus certainly is not... yet ruling over this present world. If you believe that lie then you might as well tear out most of the Book of Revelation and His Olivet discourse in the Gospel Books of Matthew and Mark, because in those Scriptures is where Jesus WARNED US about the coming of a pseudo-Christ that will exalt himself in Jerusalem as God. Apostle Paul gave that warning to the Church also in 2 Thessalonians 2, so you might as well tear out that 2 Thessalonians 2 chapter out of your Bible too!
Those you are listening to are following doctrines of "antichrists".
Davy
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That shows you really are... terribly deceived. God's "two witnesses" of Revelation 11 have not shown up yet, and will be two literal persons prophesying against the beast. Then they are killed with their dead bodies left laying in the plaza of Jerusalem, and are raised after three and one half days, which signals the final 7th Trumpet with Jesus' immediate return to take over reign of all nations.
Trying to apply that like a 2,000 years old symbol is stupidity, and so far from the actual written Bible prophecy that it ought to be an easy warning to those who actually read... their Bible. What an insult your idea you got from antichrists is.
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You got it all correct except the fact that Jesus returns if fire and final judgement (The End)
There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation
This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ
(Behold, I Make All Things New)
2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:
Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.
Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.
Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.
Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.
Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.
Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.
Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Tell me why I should trust your opinion??? Is it because you have "Truth" in your name?
1Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding in his hand the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain. 2And he seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years, 3and threw him into the pit, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he might not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were ended. After that he must be released for a little while.
4Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom the authority to judge was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended. This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed and holy is the one who shares in the first resurrection! Over such the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and they will reign with him for a thousand years.
Why can this not be a literal thousand years ?
A thousand is often used in the bible as literal...Here's an example:
Gen 20:16 To Sarah he said, “Behold, I have given your brother a thousand pieces of silver.
The verses above from Rev. present the thousand years as literal...just as Gen 20 as well as other verses do.
Considering the literalness of the verse...you said..."
Are you suggesting the 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom will happen on some other planet or some other realm and not earth?
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Revelation 20:1-6 Isnt A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Dont Be Deceived
Can you find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below?
1.) Physical Earthly Kingdom?
2.) Physical Earthly Throne?
3.) Physical Mortal Humans?
The Above Claims (Don't Exist)
Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ
100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time
2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
If you're looking at Rev 20 the next thing in the timeline is the end of the thousand years. At which point in time the Kingdom of God in heaven will be complete, and time given this earth, wherein man might be saved, comes to an end (Rev 10:5-7). Just as it is written in Rev 20 when John writes, that Satan shall be loosed for a little season, after the thousand years (time) has expired.
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The Greek word "Chilioi" was used in 2 Peter 3:8 and in Revelation 20:1-7
The definition is (Uncertain Affinity) not a literal thousand years on this earth as many claim
Strong’s Definitions
χίλιοι chílioi, khil'-ee-oy; plural of uncertain affinity; a thousand:—thousand.
KJV Translation Count — Total: 11x
The KJV translates Strong's G5507 in the following manner: thousand (11x).
Thousand = Uncertain Affinity
2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
Revelation 20:1-7KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Davy
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Your continuous repeating that wrong interpretation about the earth being completely destroyed with no 1,000 years over the wicked by Christ will not make it so. You are going against the written Bible Scripture with that idea from men, ignorant men who don't know their Bible.
Zechariah 14:16-20 shows Jesus will reign over the leftovers who will have come up against Jerusalem on the last day of this world. And the unsaved nations that refuse to come up to Jerusalem and worship The KING (Jesus Christ) from year to year, and keep the feast of tabernacles, there shall be no rain upon their lands.
Isaiah 24 shows the kings of the earth (who followed Satan) will be as prisoners locked in the pit, and after "many days" (the 1,000 years reign by Christ) they will be "visited."
Isaiah 60:14 shows the wicked will come bowing the knee.
Revelation 3:9 Christ said He will make the "synagogue of Satan" to worship at the feet of His elect Church of Philadelphia.
Isaiah 14:1-2 says Israel will rule over its oppressors in that future time.
Isaiah 45:14 says men of stature of Egypt, Ethiopia, and the Sabeans, will come to Israel 'in chains', and fall down before Israel and make supplications.
Davy
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Why don't you study God's Word and read His Word for yourself instead of regurgitating a bunch slogans from men whom God did not call?
I was invited to an evening service at a certain mainstream Christian Church by my neighbor, who was an elder there. He told me the preacher was going to start preaching the Book of Revelation. So I went, and the preacher kept stressing those who simply 'read' Revelation are blessed, but not the idea of actually 'understanding what is read'. He was only stressing the 'act' of reading Revelation being what brought the blessing. That kind of thinking is actually from paganism, as pagan religions use repetitious acts and believe that words have inherent power in themselves, like a witch casting a spell. I was appalled.
So if you think they can take that one verse of Revelation 1:1 which is Apostle John's summary of Whom he got the Revelation from, and make a whole doctrine out of it, then you are following their act of paganism.
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