Does The Resurrection Take Place On The Last Day, With All Dead In The Grave Coming Forth?

[Truth7t7]

You do know I gave you one example where the 1,000 is literal in Gen 20:16?

We know how long a thousand years is...we can do the math.....but, tell all of us just how long the 1,000 years in Rev 20 really is.

Are we currently in this 1,000 years? If so, how far?

D

 

[CrowCross]

This too relates to a/the symbolically written thousand years that began with the first advent of Christ. Verse 6 is after vss 1-7 spiritually depicting Old Covenant faithful saints after the Lamb of God (Christ) was slain for sin and resurrected to heaven. They are called "the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb." Why? Because they remained faithful unto death.

Re 14:1 ¶ And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
Re 14:2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:
Re 14:3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
Re 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
Re 14:5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.

After the 144,000 Old Covenant children of all the tribes of Israel, (Rev 7) were sealed by the Holy Spirit sent from Christ, they ascended with Christ to heaven after He resurrected from the dead.

Eph 4:8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
Eph 4:9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
Eph 4:10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

Once the Old Covenant faithful saints have ascended to heaven a spiritual body as living souls even after death, the time for proclaiming the everlasting Gospel of the Kingdom of God through Christ had come to every nation, kindred, tongue and people of the earth. Before time for proclaiming the Gospel of the Kingdom of God unto all nations of the earth, Israel only had heard of the Gospel of the coming Messiah to redeem His people. Babylon fallen in this passage depicts the Covenant people of Old. This is not depicting the nation of Israel fallen, but the Holy City and Temple had fallen through spiritual apostasy and adultery. They were representative of the Congregation/Church of Old, they were appointed to be spiritual leaders but instead gave themselves over to serve evil under the influence of their father the Devil. Once Satan was bound through the death and resurrection of Christ, the New Covenant through Christ came to all the world with the Gospel. Babylon symbolizes the generation of evil, not an ethnic people, but an apostate people that would continue to grow causing all nations to drink of the same wine of fornication that she was guilty of.

Re 14:6 ¶ And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
Re 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
Re 14:8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.

I doubt it.

Christians raptured pre-trib are part of the first fruits.

 

[CrowCross]

If Satan has not been bound by the cross and resurrection of Christ, how are people of the nation's coming into the Kingdom of God as the Gospel is being sent out unto all nations? Remember he was bound that the nations would no longer be deceived.

Satan is spirit. As spirit he is still able to deceive unbelievers. That's the whole purpose for his binding, though he continues to hold spiritual power over the unbelievers of the world, he is no longer able to hold all who are born again of the Spirit of Christ in bondage to fear of death. Why? Because Christ defeated death, and all who have been born again have already entered into the Kingdom of God in heaven through the Spirit sent from Christ within us.

Before we have been born again "the prince of the air, the spirit that now works in children of disobedience", Christians too were dead in trespasses and sins. We weren't physically dead, but being dead in trespasses and sins meant before salvation we had no ability to believe on Christ for everlasting life. That's why Christ tells us, "Ye must be born again!"

Eph 2:1 ¶ And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
Eph 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
Eph 2:3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

You didn't answer 1 Peter 5:8 which shows Satan isn't bound now.
Peter would not have written it nor would Paul have written Eph 6 if Satan was bound...as those book were written after the ascension.

 

[CrowCross]

Because it represents time that began with the first advent of Christ and will end when the last trumpet begins to sound. IOW a/the thousand years symbolizes TIME for when the Gospel of the Kingdom of God through Christ is being preached unto all the nations of the world. And then shall the END come! If it were one thousand years of time it could be possible for some to know when Christ with the immortal Kingdom of God would come again, reckoning time from when the one thousand years began and counting 999 years later. The Bible tells us no man can know this.

I don't see that in the bible...it sounds more like religious speculation.

 

[rwb]

I doubt it.

Christians raptured pre-trib are part of the first fruits.

Opinion without proving from the Word of God remain opinions without truth!

 

[CrowCross]

That's not what I said.

The what parts of Rev 8 and Rev 13 are literal?

When has the events described in Rev 8 and 13 happened in history to the world?

 

[CrowCross]

Opinion without proving from the Word of God remain opinions without truth!

That is exactly what you have done.

 

[rwb]

You didn't answer 1 Peter 5:8 which shows Satan isn't bound now.
Peter would not have written it nor would Paul have written Eph 6 if Satan was bound...as those book were written after the ascension.

How does this show Satan, a spirit is not now bound? Do you know how this spirit called Satan attacks mankind? What does it mean that Satan is "the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience"? How does the spirit we call Satan work in humans?

1 Peter 5:8 (KJV) Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

I assume you do realize a spirit cannot be literally bound, don't you? How is he bound that he can no longer deceive the nations of the world? Would you not agree the spirit called Satan can only be bound by the Spirit of Christ that is more powerful than he? This is how the cross and resurrection have already bound Satan. Before being bound he had the ability to hold the nations in fear of darkness and death. But through the power of His cross and being made alive by the Spirit of God, that bondage is broken forever to all who hear the Gospel of the Kingdom of God preached and believing are born again through the Spirit sent from Christ.

Heb 2:14 ¶ Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
Heb 2:15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage

In Christ man's bondage to fear of death is broken when we have been born again! Because when we have been born again through the Spirit of Christ the life we have through Him is ETERNAL. How? Through the power of the Holy Spirit, Christ resurrected from the dead, defeating death forever for all who are born again.

 

[CrowCross]

How does this show Satan, a spirit is not now bound?

1 Peter 5:8 according to the bible.

Do you know how this spirit called Satan attacks mankind? What does it mean that Satan is "the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience"? How does the spirit we call Satan work in humans?

1 Peter 5:8 (KJV) Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

I assume you do realize a spirit cannot be literally bound, don't you?

Why not?

How is he bound that he can no longer deceive the nations of the world?

Rev 20 explains it...1Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding in his hand the key to the bottomless pita and a great chain. 2And he seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years, 3and threw him into the pit, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he might not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were ended. After that he must be released for a little while.

What are the "physics" of how this happens....I don't know.

Would you not agree the spirit called Satan can only be bound by the Spirit of Christ that is more powerful than he?

Christ being the creator has the ultimate power.

A judge can imprison you...but it's the actual jail that contains you.

This is how the cross and resurrection have already bound Satan. Before being bound he had the ability to hold the nations in fear of darkness and death. But through the power of His cross and being made alive by the Spirit of God, that bondage is broken forever to all who hear the Gospel of the Kingdom of God preached and believing are born again through the Spirit sent from Christ.

Heb 2:14 ¶ Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
Heb 2:15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage

OK???? The devil has no power over a Holy Spirit filled christian....unless you allow him to have the power.

In Christ man's bondage to fear of death is broken when we have been born again!

Yes, that's good news.

Because when we have been born again through the Spirit of Christ the life we have through Him is ETERNAL. How? Through the power of the Holy Spirit, Christ resurrected from the dead, defeating death forever for all who are born again.

Satan and his minions can still have an effect on us. Suggestion, possession etc.
Does Satan now have the power of death? No.

 

[rwb]

1 Peter 5:8 according to the bible.

Why not?

Rev 20 explains it...1Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding in his hand the key to the bottomless pita and a great chain. 2And he seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years, 3and threw him into the pit, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he might not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were ended. After that he must be released for a little while.

What are the "physics" of how this happens....I don't know.


Christ being the creator has the ultimate power.

A judge can imprison you...but it's the actual jail that contains you.


OK???? The devil has no power over a Holy Spirit filled christian....unless you allow him to have the power.

Yes, that's good news.

Satan and his minions can still have an effect on us. Suggestion, possession etc.
Does Satan now have the power of death? No.

You've failed to address anything I said! And what you've replied here is mostly about as clear as mud!

 

[CrowCross]

You've failed to address anything I said! And what you've replied here is mostly about as clear as mud!

You didn't address 1 Peter 5:8.....Peter says satan is still on the loose. PROVE THAT WRONG.

In Eph 6 Pauls tells us to put on the full armor....is Satan and his minions are bound....then why?

 

[rwb]

You didn't address 1 Peter 5:8.....Peter says satan is still on the loose. PROVE THAT WRONG.

In Eph 6 Pauls tells us to put on the full armor....is Satan and his minions are bound....then why?

Yes, I did address this by pointing out that Satan is spirit, and spirit cannot be literally bound. He can only be bound in a spiritual way, and I gave you verses to show this binding took place through the cross and resurrection when Christ made atonement for sins and defeated death. Unless you can prove from the Bible that a spirit can be physically bound, when spirit is NOT flesh & bone, then you cannot argue Satan is not yet bound.

It is for the same reason that Paul reminds us to put on the full armor of God....why? That we may be able to withstand the wiles (trickery, deception, falsehood) of the devil, because even though the devil cannot hold believers in bondage to fear of death through sin when we have been born again and possess eternal life, he still has the ability to deceive, divide, and cause us to go astray. What do you think Paul means when he says we wrestle against principalities, powers and rulers of darkness of this world i.e. AGAINST SPIRITUAL WICKEDNESS?

Eph 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Eph 6:13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

 

[JimKnox]

Then cometh the end, not a Millennial Kingdom on this earth as many falsely claim

You blew it right there, friend.
You are openly denying the Scripture that says Jesus will reign for 1000 years.
Rev ch 20

 

[JimKnox]

The Greek word "Chilioi" was used in 2 Peter 3:8 and in Revelation 20:1-7

The definition is (Uncertain Affinity) not a literal thousand years on this earth as many claim

Strong’s Definitions
χίλιοι chílioi, khil'-ee-oy; plural of uncertain affinity; a thousand:—thousand.

KJV Translation Count — Total: 11x
The KJV translates Strong's G5507 in the following manner: thousand (11x).

Thousand = Uncertain Affinity

2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:1-7KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

That is mighty sly of you, sir.
Using an AMILLENNIALISTS interpretation to defend YOUR AMILLENNIALIST doctrine.
James Strong was Wesleyan and Arminian.
I suppose that's what we all do but James Strong is not the final authority for the ancient Greek language. There's losts of misinformation on this forum; please don't be part of the problem, however unwitting it may be.

 

[CrowCross]

Yes, I did address this by pointing out that Satan is spirit, and spirit cannot be literally bound. He can only be bound in a spiritual way, and I gave you verses to show this binding took place through the cross and resurrection when Christ made atonement for sins and defeated death. Unless you can prove from the Bible that a spirit can be physically bound, when spirit is NOT flesh & bone, then you cannot argue Satan is not yet bound.

It is for the same reason that Paul reminds us to put on the full armor of God....why? That we may be able to withstand the wiles (trickery, deception, falsehood) of the devil, because even though the devil cannot hold believers in bondage to fear of death through sin when we have been born again and possess eternal life, he still has the ability to deceive, divide, and cause us to go astray. What do you think Paul means when he says we wrestle against principalities, powers and rulers of darkness of this world i.e. AGAINST SPIRITUAL WICKEDNESS?

Eph 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Eph 6:13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

One on Satans tricks is to have people believe he doesn't exist....or is bound and impotent.

 

[Taken]

Revelation 20:1-6 Isnt A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Dont Be Deceived​

Can you find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

1.) Physical Earthly Kingdom?

The land promised to Abraham and his descendants.

2.) Physical Earthly Throne?

God Himself established an everlasting throne for king David.

3.) Physical Mortal Humans?

DURING the Trib / Wrath sent down from Heaven, men who have Made no COMMITMENT TO God (or Satan) will MAKE their COMMITMENTS and face their one Bodily Death FOR / Because of their committed Belief.

While Satan, his angels are confined for 1,000 years…
A portion “of non-committed” Mortal “believers” who were NOT Bodily Killed, (the remnant) shall repopulate the Earth… live, reproduce, die, another generation, etc. build cities, nations, kingdoms, have governing kings…
While Christ Jesus rules His Kingdom…and IS the governing King of all nations kings…
For 1,000 years…

Then, is Satan, his angels loosed, allowed to influence the mortal nations…
Convincing…All world nations to come Against Christ Jesus’ Kingdom (Abraham’s promised land…king Davids everlasting Throne / Jerusalem…
AND all mortals Destroyed, by Fire raining down from Heaven…

Then, is a New Heaven and New Earth merged with no division.

2Sam 7:
[12] And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom.
[13] He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.
[14] I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men:
[15] But my mercy shall not depart away from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I put away before thee.
[16] And thine house and thy kingdom shall be established for ever before thee: thy throne shall be established for ever.

Rev 20:
[9] And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Rev 21:
[1] And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
[2] And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
[3] And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Rockerduck]

You blew it right there, friend.
You are openly denying the Scripture that says Jesus will reign for 1000 years.
Rev ch 20

That's prophesy not literal. Scripture is plain and literal.

 

[rwb]

One on Satans tricks is to have people believe he doesn't exist....or is bound and impotent.

It's a good thing we both know that's a lie! Though the spirit called Satan has been bound that he can no longer hold born again saints in fear of death, preventing the Kingdom of God in heaven from being complete, he is far from impotent, as the Bible plainly shows us.

 

[CrowCross]

It's a good thing we both know that's a lie! Though the spirit called Satan has been bound that he can no longer hold born again saints in fear of death, preventing the Kingdom of God in heaven from being complete, he is far from impotent, as the Bible plainly shows us.

It's not about the fear of death rob. "Death" has been defeated.

Satan...his demons and fallen angels can still cause disruption. They roam around like roaring lions.

Are they on a "leash"? Yes. Still, a dog on a leash can bite you.

 

[Taken]

That's prophesy not literal.

?

Scripture is plain and literal.

Yes.