Does The Resurrection Take Place On The Last Day, With All Dead In The Grave Coming Forth?

[Truth7t7]

Trying to make the Olivet Discourse applicable only to those who would live far into the future ignores the FACT that Christ gave answers telling them of these they would experience as they faithfully preach the Gospel of the Kingdom of God.

Matthew 24 is a prophecy of Jesus describing events that would take place in a "Future" generation and church on this earth

The Apostles and disciples of Jesus didn't experience or witness Matt 24:15 in Daniel's AOD, nor Matt 24:21 in the great tribulation, nor Matthew 24:29-30 in the signs and the Lord's actual second coming, these are all future events unfulfilled

Any claim that Matt 24:21 in the great tribulation took pace from the time of Jesus until the Lord's future second coming is "Laughable" as the scripture teaches it will be a time that's cut short, a time so horrible that it hasn't been seen in history nor ever will be "Future Unfulfilled"

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[Truth7t7]

Truth7t7 noted:
<no such thing as a 1,000 year Millennial kingdom>

Bible noted:
"reign with him for a thousand years" (Revelation 20:6)

Revelation 20:1-6 Isnt A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Dont Be Deceived​

Can you find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

1.) Physical Earthly Kingdom?
2.) Physical Earthly Throne?
3.) Physical Mortal Humans?

The Above Claims (Don't Exist)

Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ

100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time

2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

 

[rwb]

Thousand, a thousand, this thousand, which thousand all indicate 1000.

"Thousand years" (Revelation 20:2) is χιλια ετη.
χιλια = 1000
ετη = years
Hence 1000 years.

Greek has no "a," so it cannot say "a thousand years," rather it can only say "thousand years." English would typically render as "a thousand years."

"Time no longer" = "no more delay." It does not indicate the end of time itself, since time is not an entity, rather time is simply the interval in which action occurs.

I did not see this reply until after my last reply. See reply 203 which shows how the Greek χίλιοι chílioi, khil'-ee-oy is defined "unknown affinity".

There is no difference between "time no longer" and "no more delay" - both equate to the mystery of God being finished. The unknown mystery that has been made known through Christ is that the Gospel of the Kingdom of God would be preached until Gentiles (all nations), and the Kingdom of God would become complete when the last Gentile has been saved through the power of the Gospel proclaimed and the Holy Spirit.

Mystery known, the Gospel of the Kingdom of God is not limited to one Hebrew nation, but is now given to nations (Gentiles) throughout the whole world. When the last Gentile to be saved the mystery of the Kingdom of God is finished. There will be no more time given this world wherein man might be eternally saved in the days when the last/seventh trumpet begins to sound. There will be no more delay, time shall be no longer!

Romans 11:25 (KJV) For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Ro 16:25 ¶ Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
Ro 16:26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

Eph 3:1 ¶ For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,
Eph 3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
Eph 3:3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
Eph 3:4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
Eph 3:5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
Eph 3:6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

Eph 3:8 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;
Eph 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

Col 1:26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
Col 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

1 Timothy 3:16 (KJV) And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Re 10:5 And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven,
Re 10:6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer: (some translations no longer delay)
Re 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

 

[rwb]

Matthew 24 is a prophecy of Jesus describing events that would take place in a "Future" generation and church on this earth

The Apostles and disciples of Jesus didn't experience or witness Matt 24:15 in Daniel's AOD, nor Matt 24:21 in the great tribulation, nor Matthew 24:29-30 in the signs and the Lord's actual second coming, these are all future events unfulfilled

Any claim that Matt 24:21 in the great tribulation took pace from the time of Jesus until the Lord's future second coming is "Laughable" as the scripture teaches it will be a time that's cut short, a time so horrible that it hasn't been seen in history nor ever will be "Future Unfulfilled"

Jesus Is The Lord

I'm done engaging with your unbiblical doctrine here, because you never reply to anything I've said. Although nothing said has made any difference to you, time has not been entirely wasted because others have read and are reading these forums. Like you've said, it's time to stop beating a dead horse!

 

[William Barton]

rwb noted:

<Greek has no a>

Greek alphabet noted:
α, β, γ, δ
a b g d

 

[rwb]

<Greek has no a>

Greek alphabet noted:
α, β, γ, δ
a b g d

What about 'the' thousand years in vss. 3, 5, and 7? You ignore 'a' for whatever reason, I'm not sure of what you believe about 'the' before thousand years, but then force fit thousand years to be exactly ONE thousand more years of time after Christ comes again? How do you prove "the thousand years" equates to exactly ONE thousand years of more time after Christ returns?

A/The thousand according to Stong's Concordance:

Strong's Greek Dictionary
5507. χίλιοι chilioi (chílioi)
Search for G5507 in KJVSL; in KJV; load in ESI.

χίλιοι chílioi, khil'-ee-oy

plural of uncertain affinity; a thousand:—thousand.

Since "one thousand" according to Strong's is defined:

Strong's Greek Dictionary
5505. χιλιάς chilias (chiliás)
Search for G5505 in KJVSL; in KJV; load in ESI.

χιλιάς chiliás, khil-ee-as'

from G5507; one thousand ("chiliad"):—thousand.

Realizing this is arguing from silence, which is apparently fine with you, we must wonder why John did not simply write "one thousand years" instead of making it vague saying "a/the thousand years"? It stands to reason, at least for me, that John left it vague to equate it to time that began with the first advent and will end when the last/seventh trumpet begins to sound. Why? Because if thousand means exactly one thousand years would it not be possible for man to know the time when Christ will apparently come a third time?

 

[Fred J]

afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then cometh the end, not a Millennial Kingdom on this earth as many falsely claim

Revelation 20:
4. .............................................................................................. And they lived again and ruled with Christ a thousand years.
5. The remainder of the dead were not restored to life again until the thousand years were completed. This is the first resurrection.
6. Blessed and holy is the person who takes part in the first resurrection! Over them the second death exerts no power or authority, but they shall be ministers of GOD and of Christ, and they shall rule along with Him a thousand years.
7. And when the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his place of confinement,
8. And he will go forth to deceive and seduce and lead astray the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth-Gog and Magog-to master them for war; their number is like the sand of the sea.

Then cometh the end, not a millennial Kingdom on this earth??

Seem like you're the only one who falsely claim in the first place, therefore the rest of your claims as well just falls apart.

 

[Truth7t7]

Revelation 20:
4. .............................................................................................. And they lived again and ruled with Christ a thousand years.
5. The remainder of the dead were not restored to life again until the thousand years were completed. This is the first resurrection.
6. Blessed and holy is the person who takes part in the first resurrection! Over them the second death exerts no power or authority, but they shall be ministers of GOD and of Christ, and they shall rule along with Him a thousand years.
7. And when the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his place of confinement,
8. And he will go forth to deceive and seduce and lead astray the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth-Gog and Magog-to master them for war; their number is like the sand of the sea.

Then cometh the end, not a millennial Kingdom on this earth??

Seem like you're the only one who falsely claim in the first place, therefore the rest of your claims as well just falls apart.

Revelation 20:1-6 Isnt A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Dont Be Deceived​

Can you find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

1.) Physical Earthly Kingdom?
2.) Physical Earthly Throne?
3.) Physical Mortal Humans?

The Above Claims (Don't Exist)

Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ

100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time

2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

 

[Fred J]

Revelation 20:
4. .............................................................................................. And they lived again and ruled with Christ a thousand years.
5. The remainder of the dead were not restored to life again until the thousand years were completed. This is the first resurrection.
6. Blessed and holy is the person who takes part in the first resurrection! Over them the second death exerts no power or authority, but they shall be ministers of GOD and of Christ, and they shall rule along with Him a thousand years.
7. And when the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his place of confinement,
8. And he will go forth to deceive and seduce and lead astray the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth-Gog and Magog-to master them for war; their number is like the sand of the sea.

Then cometh the end, not a millennial Kingdom on this earth??

Seem like you're the only one who falsely claim in the first place, therefore the rest of your claims as well just falls apart.

Revelation 20:1-6 Isnt A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Dont Be Deceived​

Can you find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

1.) Physical Earthly Kingdom?
2.) Physical Earthly Throne?
3.) Physical Mortal Humans?

The Above Claims (Don't Exist)

Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ

100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time

2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Chapter 19; anti-Christ and the false prophet been cast into the lake of fire.
Chapter 20; Satan is bound hurled into the bottomless pit for a thousand years.
; The saints in Christ were taken up at the first resurrection, and met the Lord in the cloud in His 2nd coming.
; And they lived again and ruled with Christ a thousand years.

Therefore if they ruled with Christ, surely over the earth as well a millenium Kingdom of peace on earth, when all the enemies been put away.

Then when the millenium is completed, Satan is released once again to deceive and seduce and lead astray the nations of the earth.

And the list goes on, until the devil was hurled into the lake of fire finally, and then comes the great white throne where all the dead shall rise from their graves to be judged.

Finally the end cometh.

 

[rwb]

Revelation 20:
4. .............................................................................................. And they lived again and ruled with Christ a thousand years.
5. The remainder of the dead were not restored to life again until the thousand years were completed. This is the first resurrection.
6. Blessed and holy is the person who takes part in the first resurrection! Over them the second death exerts no power or authority, but they shall be ministers of GOD and of Christ, and they shall rule along with Him a thousand years.
7. And when the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his place of confinement,
8. And he will go forth to deceive and seduce and lead astray the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth-Gog and Magog-to master them for war; their number is like the sand of the sea.

Then cometh the end, not a millennial Kingdom on this earth??

Seem like you're the only one who falsely claim in the first place, therefore the rest of your claims as well just falls apart.

When have these martyred souls lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years if not before being martyred? After all the text tells us the living souls were faithful unto death.

I don't know what version of Scripture you're quoting from, because faithful translations do not say "they live AGAIN"! It simply says these martyred souls John sees are still alive after having been martyred for their faithfulness to God.

Revelation 20:4 (KJV) And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

The reason that John writes "they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years" PAST TENSE is because it was during their lifetime that they remained faithful unto death.

Revelation 20:4 (ASV) And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus, and for the word of God, and such as worshipped not the beast, neither his image, and received not the mark upon their forehead and upon their hand; and they lived, and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Revelation 20:4 (Bish) And I sawe thrones, and they sate vpon them, and iudgement was geuen vnto them: and I sawe the soules of them that were beheaded for the witnesse of Iesus, and for the word of God, and whiche had not worshipped the beast neither his image, neither had taken his marke vpon their foreheads, or in their handes: and they lyued and raigned with Christe a thousand yeres.

Revelation 20:4 (DBY) And I saw thrones; and they sat upon them, and judgment was given to them; and the souls of those beheaded on account of the testimony of Jesus, and on account of the word of God; and those who had not done homage to the beast nor to his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and hand; and they lived and reigned with the Christ a thousand years:

Revelation 20:4 (GB) And I sawe seates: & they sate vpon them, & iudgement was giuen vnto them, & I saw the soules of them that were beheaded for the witnes of Iesus, and for the word of God, & which did not worship the beast, neither his image, neither had taken his marke vpon their foreheads, or on their handes: and they liued, & reigned with Christ a thousand yeere.

Revelation 20:4 (Tyn) And I sawe seattes and they sat apon them and iudgement was geven vnto them: and I sawe the soules of them that were behedded for the witnes of Iesu and for the worde of God: which had not worshypped the best nether his ymage nether had taken his marke vpon their forheddes or on their hondes: and they lyved and raygned with Christ a .M. yere:

Revelation 20:4 (WEB) I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus, and for the word of God, and such as didn't worship the beast nor his image, and didn't receive the mark on their forehead and on their hand. They lived, and reigned with Christ for the thousand years.

Revelation 20:4 (YLT) And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given to them, and the souls of those who have been beheaded because of the testimony of Jesus, and because of the word of God, and who did not bow before the beast, nor his image, and did not receive the mark upon their forehead and upon their hand, and they did live and reign with Christ the thousand years;

 

[Fred J]

When have these martyred souls lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years if not before being martyred? After all the text tells us the living souls were faithful unto death.

I don't know what version of Scripture you're quoting from, because faithful translations do not say "they live AGAIN"! It simply says these martyred souls John sees are still alive after having been martyred for their faithfulness to God.

Revelation 20:4 (KJV) And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

The reason that John writes "they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years" PAST TENSE is because it was during their lifetime that they remained faithful unto death.

Revelation 20:4 (ASV) And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus, and for the word of God, and such as worshipped not the beast, neither his image, and received not the mark upon their forehead and upon their hand; and they lived, and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Revelation 20:4 (Bish) And I sawe thrones, and they sate vpon them, and iudgement was geuen vnto them: and I sawe the soules of them that were beheaded for the witnesse of Iesus, and for the word of God, and whiche had not worshipped the beast neither his image, neither had taken his marke vpon their foreheads, or in their handes: and they lyued and raigned with Christe a thousand yeres.

Revelation 20:4 (DBY) And I saw thrones; and they sat upon them, and judgment was given to them; and the souls of those beheaded on account of the testimony of Jesus, and on account of the word of God; and those who had not done homage to the beast nor to his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and hand; and they lived and reigned with the Christ a thousand years:

Revelation 20:4 (GB) And I sawe seates: & they sate vpon them, & iudgement was giuen vnto them, & I saw the soules of them that were beheaded for the witnes of Iesus, and for the word of God, & which did not worship the beast, neither his image, neither had taken his marke vpon their foreheads, or on their handes: and they liued, & reigned with Christ a thousand yeere.

Revelation 20:4 (Tyn) And I sawe seattes and they sat apon them and iudgement was geven vnto them: and I sawe the soules of them that were behedded for the witnes of Iesu and for the worde of God: which had not worshypped the best nether his ymage nether had taken his marke vpon their forheddes or on their hondes: and they lyved and raygned with Christ a .M. yere:

Revelation 20:4 (WEB) I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus, and for the word of God, and such as didn't worship the beast nor his image, and didn't receive the mark on their forehead and on their hand. They lived, and reigned with Christ for the thousand years.

Revelation 20:4 (YLT) And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given to them, and the souls of those who have been beheaded because of the testimony of Jesus, and because of the word of God, and who did not bow before the beast, nor his image, and did not receive the mark upon their forehead and upon their hand, and they did live and reign with Christ the thousand years;

Very simple, and you've not grasp in your spirit that it's a prophetic prediction in vision given to John and the church, and it shall come to pass in the coming future.

And they are martyred souls which came out of the great tribulation (Rev. 7:14), martyrs who laid down their lives during the reign of anti-Christ and the false prophet.

Therefore the 'first resurrection' took place during post-tribulation, and just before anti-Christ and the false prophet were cast into the lake of fire. (Rev. ch. 19)

Ch. 20, Satan is bound and confined in the bottomless pit for a thousand years (vs.3), followed by John's vision seeing these martyred souls were already in Heaven (vs.4).

They too lived and rule with Christ for a thousand years, the same period of time Satan was in the bottomless pit.

For the record, even Isaiah ch. 53's prophetic prediction about the Messiah in revelation given to Isaiah, it took 600 to 700 years and apparently did come to pass.

On the other hand knowing you, i perceive you have a different version to these things, which i believe i disagreed prior to this.

 

[William Barton]

IMO:
The purpose of the mid-tribulation rapture is to remove believers to heaven, so that they may avoid the coming bowl judgments on the earth.
Jesus descends to a cloud and catches believers up to himself. This includes the dead in Christ, who are caught up first:

"For the trumpet shall sound, and the dead in Christ shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed." (1Thessalonians 4:16).

"The thousand years" (Revelation 20:7) is Greek τα χιλια ετη ("the thousand years"). "One thousand years" is the "millennium."

 

[Taken]

Does The Resurrection Take Place On The Last Day, With All Dead In The Grave Coming Forth?​

“The” resurrection IS Vague.

Resurrection simply means, becoming Dead On earth and Then Resuming Living, On the Earth.

Man have “died” and “resumed” living ON Earth…
Several examples in the news, in Scripture, most famously JESUS.

The FIRST Mass Resurrection When, How?
In brief…

Lord Jesus…Descends From Lower Heaven;
To a White cloud…

Jesus appearance is AS the Son of Man

Men on Earth can See Him

With Him (but unseen by men On Earth) are His holy angels and His Glorified Bride.

From on the White cloud…He reaps the Earth….

The “righteous saved” dead, Resurrected resume living in glorified bodys, on Earth.

The “unrighteous” are bodily killed, departed living soul, sent to Hell. their body’s, bird food.

The Righteous, not killed, continue Living in their Natural body’s.

Also is Satan and his unholy angels Sent to Hell.

Then Does…
Christ Jesus assume Claiming His Inheritance…
Abraham’s promised land.
king Davids Throne.

And Christ King Jesus … with His holy angels, his Bride, his faithful gathered together from upon the Earth… ALL…
Occupy Christ the Lords Earthly Kingdom… AND
Governs OVER all mortal kings and nations and the citizens there of… For One Thousand Years…

There after… another Separating, division, Resurrection of the unfaithful Dead… and judging,
The Second / Last Resurrection…Sentencing.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Fred J]

IMO:
The purpose of the mid-tribulation rapture is to remove believers to heaven, so they may avoid the coming bowl judgments on the earth. Jesus descends to a cloud and catches believers up to himself. This includes the dead in Christ, who are caught up first.

"For the trumpet shall sound, and the dead in Christ shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed" (1Corinthians 15:52).

rwb asked:
<the thousand years>
That is an English translation.

Matthew 24:
29. Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not shed it's light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
30. Then the sign of the Son of man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn and beat their breasts and lament in anguish, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Thessalonians 4:
17. Then we, the living ones who remain, shall simultaneously be caught up along with in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and so always we shall be with the Lord!

Please read carefully, there's no mid-tribulation resurrectionm but rather post-tribulation resurrection.

 

[William Barton]

IMO:
o Jesus descended to a CLOUD is seen in Revelation 14:14-16.
o This will occur at the seventh trump (Revelation 11:15).
o. It is at the midpoint of the seven year tribulation.

 

[Fred J]

IMO:
o. It is at the midpoint of the seven year tribulation.

First of all, again 'midpoint' of the tribulation the first resurrection takes place is a 'false' claim and a 'heresy', compared to the context of the scripture highlighted below.

Second. a seven year tribulation will be is another 'false' claim and 'heresy', compared to the comtext of the scripture when it's been shortened to three and a half year.

Matthew 24:
29. Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not shed it's light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
30. Then the sign of the Son of man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn and beat their breasts and lament in anguish, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Thessalonians 4:
17. Then we, the living ones who remain, shall simultaneously be caught up along with in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and so always we shall be with the Lord!

Please read carefully, there's no mid-tribulation resurrectionm but rather post-tribulation resurrection.

Born again wise ones as given wisdom from above, if you have that spiritual ears, listen and pay attention, and stay built up in the foundation of the Apostles and Prophets = Holy Bible.

Least you be deceived by wolves in sheep clothing heretics and their ongoing heresies, even though anti-Christ have not come but the spirit of anti-Christ have been from the days of the Apostles.

So that whether in out time or the future generation's time, either one who'll face the signs of time by Christ, shall not be dumbfounded and perish with the world.

Now, vs. 29, reads, 'Immediately after the tribulation of those days', and please take note of this point that is apparently pointing out towards 'post-tribulatiion'.

Beforehand, in vs. 14, the Gospel will be preached throughout the whole world. and then will come the end.

Next in vs. 15, the anti-Christ commits the 'appalling sacrilege' inside the 'coming soon' third Temple to be built, which will be permitted by him, the signs of time to watch.

When himself will claim to world, Israel and the church, that he's 'god' and makes his very throne inside the third Temple for the whole world to see.

Whereby to Israel it'll be an 'abomination', and to the church furthermore 'of desolation', and probably opposed they'll be persecuted by him, moreover there'll be those who flee, according to vs. 16-20.

Henceforth only in vs. 20, 'For then there'll be great tribulation', the age of deception, doctrine of demons etc. and persecution of the church.

(Please take note that there's 'no' reference to the wrath of GOD, the plagues which HE plans to unleash on earth upon the ungodly)

Next, also where the false prophet honoring the beast will perform great signs and wonders (vs. 24), and even to erects a living image of the beast for the whole world to worship.

Vs. 24, To deceive and lead astray the world, Israel and the church(the elect), and on the other hand, implementing the 'mark of the beast' in order for the world to buy and sell.

(Apparently an appalling, challenging and persecuted time for the elect, when they're not to accept the 'mark' and not to 'worship the image of the beast')

Vs. 22, That's why those days of the unbearable tribulation no human being would endure and survive, were shortened for the sake of the elect.

Vs. 29, 'Immediately after the tribulation of those days', refering to the tribulation of days mentioned as above, and then followed by the tribulation wrath of GOD, the plagues and calamities unleashed on earth.

Leading up to the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not shed it's light, and the stars(asteroids probably) will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.

(Therefore, the elect/church did go through with the world, the wrath of GOD tribulation followed by, and which was shortened for their sake)

Vs. 30, as inquired by His disciples of His coming (vs.3), then the Son of man appears in the sky, and the world will see Him coming on the clouds of heavens.

Now concerning, 'coming on the clouds of heavens', is 'parallel' to, the same He shall on the day of the 'first resurrrection' or generally 'rapture'.

Where the risen dead and alive elect/church in Christ who will be caught up in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air. (1Thessalonians 4:17)

(Simultaneously in the wilderness, the Israelites are led in a pillar of fire by night and in a pillar of cloud by day. Moreover the same cloud when necessary to call upon Moses, as a sign rested on the most holy place of the tabernacle errected in the desert)

Vs. 31, and from the clouds He will send out His angels at the sound of a trumpet call, who'll only gather His elect/church on earth.

Which is 'parallel' to the trumpet call when the dead in Christ shall rise from their grave and with the livng whom the angels gather.

Please take note of the point, that only the elect/church who are gathered in this 'resurrection', which is 'parallel' to the 'first resurrection' mentioned in Revelation ch. 20. Vs. 6.

Where these elect/church gathered and made it in the 'first resurrection', 'second death' exerts no power or authority over them any longer.

And these lived again and ruled with Christ a thousand years (vs,4), and there's no more resurrection of the dead until the thousand years were completed (vs.6).

Therefore to conclude strongly, it's not the 'resurrection' which heretics claim, where there are those 'resurrect unto life' and there are those 'resurrect unto damnation'.

Apparently this refers to the 'second resurrection' for on the day of the 'final judgement', as according to vs. 11-15.

Vs. 14, where there is the 'second death' in the lake of fire to those in this resurrection, those who are not found recorded in the 'Book of Life'.

Beloved, we're not liken unto heretics who limp on one leg being 'unlearned' and 'unstable' in regards All Scripture = Holy Bible .

When supposedly and assuredly to us with both legs made whole and firm in faith discipled in context and sound doctrine, a lamp unto our feet and a light unto our path.

Shalom in the name of Lord Jesus Christ.