How can there be life after death?
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I don't believe that human beings have souls.
In a fair justice system, I would be happy to be held accountable for my choices.
The problem is, God's justice system isn't anything like fair.
In other words, you lack the integrity to actually research the verifiable evidence from NDEs and SDEs.
If you had, you woul learn that NDErs encounter deceased people, whom they thought were still alive.
You would learn that deceased spirits reveal facts about their lives pf which the NDEr was unaware.
And you would learn that in SDEs, both the dying subject and a nearby healthy visitor often both experience the afterlife in detail together with verifiable detail.
If you had, you woul learn that NDErs encounter deceased people, whom they thought were still alive.
You would learn that deceased spirits reveal facts about their lives pf which the NDEr was unaware.
And you would learn that in SDEs, both the dying subject and a nearby healthy visitor often both experience the afterlife in detail together with verifiable detail.
What about the "dead" person having the ability to see what is happening in a different room?
You know what they say:
TO A BELIEVER, NO PROOF IS NECESSARY.
TO A NON-BELIEVER NO PROOF IS ENOUGH.
Show me the evidence of people having that ability.
Try to give evidence that is unbiased and backed up by credible healthcare professionals.
We all know what NDE's are.
A lot of the experiences happen to people who have been conditioned with ideas of what they'll see when death is imminent.
Twin that with drugs and oxygen starvation and I'm not surprised that people have these experiences.
I'll probably see a bonfire.
A lot of the experiences happen to people who have been conditioned with ideas of what they'll see when death is imminent.
Twin that with drugs and oxygen starvation and I'm not surprised that people have these experiences.
I'll probably see a bonfire.
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From a mainstream scientific perspective, near-death experiences (NDEs) are profound psychological and physiological phenomena triggered by severe stress, trauma, or the dying brain, rather than evidence of an afterlife.
Key Neurobiological Explanations
• Cerebral Ischemia and Anoxia: As the brain is deprived of oxygen and blood flow (such as during cardiac arrest), local brain regions shut down sequentially. This malfunction can cause tunnel vision, bright lights, and a sense of floating.
• Neurotransmitter Surges: Extreme physiological crises trigger the release of chemicals like endorphins, dopamine, and serotonin, which can induce feelings of deep peace, euphoria, or dissociation.
• Electrical Activity in the Dying Brain: Recent studies in neuroscience have recorded high-frequency gamma oscillations and synchronized brain activity in some patients shortly after cardiac arrest or life support withdrawal. Researchers suggest the dying brain may still be capable of intense, dream-like cognitive processing or memory integration.
• Evolutionary Threat Responses: Some neuroscientists view NDE features as a phylogenetically preserved defense or coping mechanism activated during life-threatening danger.
Key Neurobiological Explanations
• Cerebral Ischemia and Anoxia: As the brain is deprived of oxygen and blood flow (such as during cardiac arrest), local brain regions shut down sequentially. This malfunction can cause tunnel vision, bright lights, and a sense of floating.
• Neurotransmitter Surges: Extreme physiological crises trigger the release of chemicals like endorphins, dopamine, and serotonin, which can induce feelings of deep peace, euphoria, or dissociation.
• Electrical Activity in the Dying Brain: Recent studies in neuroscience have recorded high-frequency gamma oscillations and synchronized brain activity in some patients shortly after cardiac arrest or life support withdrawal. Researchers suggest the dying brain may still be capable of intense, dream-like cognitive processing or memory integration.
• Evolutionary Threat Responses: Some neuroscientists view NDE features as a phylogenetically preserved defense or coping mechanism activated during life-threatening danger.
Show me the verifiable detail. Try to use unbiased sources and show me that it's proof of a soul or an afterlife.
I've not seen any evidence from mainstream science that a soul exists in Homosapiens. I've not seen any evidence for an afterlife presented by mainstream science.
Provide the evidence.
Hopes and dreams aren't evidence.
Provide the evidence.
Hopes and dreams aren't evidence.
Mmmmm cake. I love cake.
I'm having home made trifle tonight... I've made a bit of a mess of it, I couldn't wait for the jelly to set so it's all sloppy. Tastes ok though.
M,,,I was being VERY sarcastic.
I don't intend to supply any proof.
I've witnessed to different persons.
Some really want to know or have honest questions.
Some just want to either:
1. Argue
2. Convince the Christian that God does not exist
3. Tell the Christian, in a nice way, that they are dumb
You're somewhere inbetween 2 and 3
so I will not really be responding to your comments because what YOU would have to do is explain to ME how the universe got created (do you remember when scientists said it always existed? - that worked better for atheists)....and how LIFE began.
As to trifle...
it sounds a lot like tiramisu.
Tiramisu is one of my favorite desserts.....made with coffee and whipped heavy cream.
Yummy.
That does look nice. Definitely better than my trifle.
By the way, I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything, I'll leave that to people of faith who hang around on street corners or knock on people's doors.
I have myself at number 4... Someone who wants to learn and doesn't care if I make myself look dumb or silly in the process.
M,,,,you're either trying to convince others,,,
or you're trying to convince yourself.
People of faith want to save everybody.
They believe that God exists.
They believe that we need to worship Him or we are lost.
It seems to me that there are two powers operating in all of the universe.
One is good.
One is bad.
We could call the good one, God.
We could call the bad one, satan.
It seem to permeate everything...
people....how they behave.
nature...how it behaves.
There's something wrong with man....he seems to have an evil aspect about him.
Ditto for nature. That nice cool breeze at the beach could turn into a hurricane.
A child could be born perfectly healthy and die of cancer at an early age.
Why?
Are we really just a speck of dust?
Do we believe in God only because we hate to believe that death will be the end?
Or is there some other reason?
Too many questions that man cannot answer.
Enjoy your trifle!
A Mancunian is someone who either lives in Manchester or was born there.
I support Manchester United, I don't know why I bother to though, they're absolutely awful this season.
You're in Italy I see... There's some great football teams there... Saying that, United actually beat Roma last week.
While you're here @GodsGrace can I ask you for some advice please?
My wife would really like to visit Italy.. we've looked and looked, we've researched all the usual tourist spots, Venice, Rome, Florence...
If you could give us your opinion on somewhere off the beaten track to visit it would be much appreciated.
My wife would really like to visit Italy.. we've looked and looked, we've researched all the usual tourist spots, Venice, Rome, Florence...
If you could give us your opinion on somewhere off the beaten track to visit it would be much appreciated.
My SIL is a tifoso of Inter.
Yes,,,a few good teams.
I don't know much about soccer.
I know more about baseball and even football,
but am forgetting a lot. Been here a long time.
Been to London a few times.
Not lately.
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