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I reject ECT, eternal conscious torment. The wages of sin is death. Judgement Day results in Second Death. It is the fire that burns eternally not people.
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Annihilation - I've yet to be convinced that isn't the case
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This guy has a PhD in theology ?
10 min watch, final in a series
RLT63
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I was an atheist. Quantum physics set me on the path to Jesus
As a young atheist, he saw the universe as one big machine Then he studied quantum physics, read the New Testament for the first time, and noticed something startling Jesus talked like a quantum
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Quantum physics turns logic on its head. Suddenly and enigmatically, the solid, material world becomes a ghostly cloud of probabilities, supernatural behavior becomes natural, and complete opposites become unified realities.
It’s precisely that utterly illogical strangeness that seized my attention when I read the New Testament for the first time. I could scarcely believe it! This alleged, Iron-Age Jesus of Nazareth spoke like a modern-day quantum physicist.
Unlike the instructions on how to live from any other sacred figure I’d ever read (by then, I had immersed myself in all the major religions), Jesus’s teachings turned logic on its head. During His Sermon on the Mount, for example, he admonished the crowd to love their enemies, that in order to live they first must die, that the first among them were, in fact, the last, and on and on.
This quantum-like language is what made me rise to the bait. It’s what caused me to further investigate Christianity with an open, analytical mind.
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These comparisons are extremely loose and definitely retrospective.I was an atheist. Quantum physics set me on the path to Jesus
As a young atheist, he saw the universe as one big machine Then he studied quantum physics, read the New Testament for the first time, and noticed something startling Jesus talked like a quantum
Quantum physics turns logic on its head. Suddenly and enigmatically, the solid, material world becomes a ghostly cloud of probabilities, supernatural behavior becomes natural, and complete opposites become unified realities.
It’s precisely that utterly illogical strangeness that seized my attention when I read the New Testament for the first time. I could scarcely believe it! This alleged, Iron-Age Jesus of Nazareth spoke like a modern-day quantum physicist.
Unlike the instructions on how to live from any other sacred figure I’d ever read (by then, I had immersed myself in all the major religions), Jesus’s teachings turned logic on its head. During His Sermon on the Mount, for example, he admonished the crowd to love their enemies, that in order to live they first must die, that the first among them were, in fact, the last, and on and on.
This quantum-like language is what made me rise to the bait. It’s what caused me to further investigate Christianity with an open, analytical mind.
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I was an atheist. Quantum physics set me on the path to Jesus
As a young atheist, he saw the universe as one big machine Then he studied quantum physics, read the New Testament for the first time, and noticed something startling Jesus talked like a quantum
Quantum physics turns logic on its head. Suddenly and enigmatically, the solid, material world becomes a ghostly cloud of probabilities, supernatural behavior becomes natural, and complete opposites become unified realities.
It’s precisely that utterly illogical strangeness that seized my attention when I read the New Testament for the first time. I could scarcely believe it! This alleged, Iron-Age Jesus of Nazareth spoke like a modern-day quantum physicist.
Unlike the instructions on how to live from any other sacred figure I’d ever read (by then, I had immersed myself in all the major religions), Jesus’s teachings turned logic on its head. During His Sermon on the Mount, for example, he admonished the crowd to love their enemies, that in order to live they first must die, that the first among them were, in fact, the last, and on and on.
This quantum-like language is what made me rise to the bait. It’s what caused me to further investigate Christianity with an open, analytical mind.
"that in order to live they first must die"...
As you surely know, the words of Elohim are Spirit, and as even Paul says, the Torah is spiritual, (Rom 7:14a). The Master teaches us how to die in the manner which is pleasing to the Father, and it is absolutely not physical death: it is the death of the old man nature. This language is also found in the Prophets, but not fully expounded until the Testimony of the Master in the Gospel accounts expounds it all, (at the very least, all things necessary to understand the supernal and spiritual ways of the Father so that we may walk pleasing unto Him). This language is even included in the New-Renewed Covenant as follows:
Jeremiah 31:26-31 KJV
26 Upon this I awaked, and beheld; and my sleep was sweet unto me.
27 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will sow the house of Israel and the house of Judah with the seed of man, and with the seed of beast.
28 And it shall come to pass, that like as I have watched over them, to pluck up, and to break down, and to throw down, and to destroy, and to afflict; so will I watch over them, to build, and to plant, saith the LORD.
29 In those days they shall say no more, The fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the children's teeth are set on edge.
30 But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge.
31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
It is appointed unto men once to die, (of course women too, all mankind), then comes the judgment: so what is the answer to the dilemma in the above highlighted verse according to the Meshiah? One must take up his or her own stake and follow him, and that obviously means his Testimony and the understanding of his teachings, (which are spiritual, John 6:63, not physical).
Therefore die now: for the flesh profits nothing, (John 6:63), but if one refuses and rather waits until the carcass dies, then the same will die with the carcass, never having been set right in the eyes of the Creator. Therefore if your right eye is always wandering off the narrow path toward the ditch, pluck it out and cast it from you: if your right hand offends you, cut it off and cast it from you, and if your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off and cast it from you, etc., etc.
Paul's answer is the same, Mortify or put to death our members upon-concerning the earth, (things of below), Mortify or put to death the deeds of the body, (physical, carnal, and the natural-minded things of below), and walk according to the Spirit, (of the Testimony of the Meshiah), in all of our understanding: for the Testimony of the Meshiah was given to him from above, from the heavens, from the Father, (John 3:27-34), and the Father has sealed that Testimony by voice from the heavens, (according to the Testimonies), and the words therefore shall never pass away, just as the Master says in the Olivet Discourse.
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Yet, comparing the illogic of quantum mechanics to Jesus‘ teachings is correct, yes?
Poor Macu needs to focus on anything that distracts him from his belief that there is NOTHING after death & that he will never see deceased loved ones again
The intersection of Plato’s philosophy and quantum physics centers on the idea that the fundamental fabric of the universe is not solid matter, but rather immaterial, abstract, and mathematical.
Key Connections
Key Connections
- Immaterial Reality (Platonic Idealism vs. Materialism): Early Greek atomists like Democritus argued that hard, physical matter is the base of reality. However, quantum mechanics revealed that subatomic particles lack fixed shapes or solidness, existing instead as probability waves, energy fields, and mathematical descriptions—leading pioneers like Werner Heisenberg to suggest that modern physics leans toward Plato’s realm of ideal forms rather than crude materialism.
- Plato’s Cave and Quantum Superposition: Analogies are frequently drawn between Plato’s Allegory of the Cave and quantum phenomena. In the cave, prisoners see only flickering shadows of a higher, unseen reality; in quantum mechanics, unobserved particles exist in a non-physical state of superposition (a mix of potentials) until a measurement forces a "collapse" into a single, definite outcome.
- Abstract Mathematical Entities: Quantum mechanics deals with entities (like wave functions and photons) that no one has ever "seen" directly as physical objects, yet scientists treat them as real because they exist consistently within an abstract mathematical framework—mirroring Plato’s view of abstract Ideas.
Plato’s View of the Gods
• Rejection of Homeric Myths: Plato strongly criticized traditional poets like Homer and Hesiod. He argued that stories showing Zeus, Hera, and other Olympians lying, stealing, committing adultery, or feeling petty human emotions (like jealousy and rage) were false and harmful.
• The Divine Must Be Good: In works like the Republic, Plato insisted that a true god or divine being must be completely good, unchanging, truthful, and the cause of only good things—never evil or deception.
• The Supreme Good (The Demiurge / Form of the Good): Plato often pointed toward a supreme, ultimate principle or rational creator (such as the Demiurgos in the Timaeus or the Form of the Good) that ordered the universe.
• Acceptance of Polytheism: Plato still acknowledged and accepted traditional Greek gods and lesser divine or spiritual beings, viewing them as real, immortal, and morally pure executors of divine order. He did not advocate for abolishing civic worship or temple rituals.
• Rejection of Homeric Myths: Plato strongly criticized traditional poets like Homer and Hesiod. He argued that stories showing Zeus, Hera, and other Olympians lying, stealing, committing adultery, or feeling petty human emotions (like jealousy and rage) were false and harmful.
• The Divine Must Be Good: In works like the Republic, Plato insisted that a true god or divine being must be completely good, unchanging, truthful, and the cause of only good things—never evil or deception.
• The Supreme Good (The Demiurge / Form of the Good): Plato often pointed toward a supreme, ultimate principle or rational creator (such as the Demiurgos in the Timaeus or the Form of the Good) that ordered the universe.
• Acceptance of Polytheism: Plato still acknowledged and accepted traditional Greek gods and lesser divine or spiritual beings, viewing them as real, immortal, and morally pure executors of divine order. He did not advocate for abolishing civic worship or temple rituals.
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Your ‘loose connection’ is a Strawman. There is no need to invoke Plato, who had no knowledge of quantum mechanics that @RLT63 linked. It’s not my argument. I am not really making the argument but sharing the experience, for I am the proof that the Christian God exists and loves us.
I already made the analogy to accepting the testimony of 100 people witnesses the driver go through the read light.
amigo de christo
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verily i do bring a reminder to us all .
What did JESUS say to do to those who rejected HIM , his gosple .
What did paul say to do IF a heretick after the first or second admonition wont repent . REJEcT such .
SO now i have a question for you .
Do feel free to test it by asking him yourself .
Does this atheist embrace the one true gospel of JESUS CHRIST .
I TROW NOT . He has been rejecting it all along .
Now if that seems hard to believe or if one wants to beleive this atheist does not reject
JESUS as the CHRIST and believes not that GOD did rise him from the dead ,
WELL THEN YOU ASK HIM . I think the cliam of being an athiest PROVES HE rejectes
JESUS the CHRIST . And yet over and ov er again everyone wants to keep on
trying to debate him . IF one hears NOT the gospel , THEY WILL NOT hear the truth you bring them .
Yes, I would accept an everyday testimony without the need for extraordinary evidence. People go through red lights on a daily basis I've seen it happen on numerous occasions. People don't rise from the dead on a daily basis, if they did I would accept it as you have.
Saying that it's a special case because it's Jesus that we are talking about, gets us nowhere.
There is no evidence outside of the Bible that states that Jesus rose from the dead. We know that Jesus was a definite historical figure from other texts, how much of the gospel stories are true is anyone's guess.
How would you bring peace to the world?
You conveniently forgot to address that.
And you need to face up to death. It's coming to us all.
No second chances, no perfect happy eternity, nothing.
I don't know why you find it so scary?
My daughter had her first driving lesson today with an instructor. She's back in one piece and said she's looking forward to the next one.
I'm glad she has a female instructor...As we all know, women are better drivers than men.
I'm glad she has a female instructor...As we all know, women are better drivers than men.
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Good! I take it that you previously took her on some practice drives?
In America, classes are periodic. So, a new driver might have their permit for a few months before the next driving class begins.
Someone else challenged that in another thread. The point I want to make is that my ex-wife could not take the new driver for a practice drive as she couldn't handle the loss of control. It takes courage to let the hormonally driven teen swerve across the median or toward the ditch while maintaining calm, externally and internally. This experience taught my daughters who was truly the controlling one in the house.
My middle stepdaughter got into a small fender bender a few months after getting her license. The truck ahead of her had an extended hitch, which she misjudged how far back is stuck out. She was rattled and I could tell that she was expecting criticism from me. However, I was compassionate, thankfully no one was hurt, reinforced this is why they call it an "accident," and told her and my ex that I hope this is the worst accident you ever get into.
amigo de christo
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The peace plan of man always brings much blood and its never ab out true peace but only the illusion
of peace , yet only a means for power and control .
This huge world peace interfaith will be no different . blood will come upon all
that did not conform to it . mark them words well .
The only peace i bring to this world is THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST by which if a man believes HE has peace with GOD .
Their peace is of man and is in fluenced by the dragon .
This love and flowers , this let us all be one for world peace, ALL OF IT was never truly about
peace . IT was all about POWER and control . Soon to be enforced by a highly powerful AI digital system .
This world g onna get exactly what it reaped too . the wind and thus the whirlwind of destruction .
amigo de christo
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How often have we seen throughout history
Men who have come in under the guise THIS is how we shall have peace
ONLY to bring blood upon all that would not enter into its peace covenant .
and woe wail , How deadly is it when they do so claiming it to even be of God
and merge state and church , or in this case WOR LD and church , with inclusivity as its religion .
More recently we see Hitler crying a thousand year reich of peace . DIDNT BODE too well
for those who resisted though , DID IT .
This is not new .
But with the power now of digital AI
i assure us all much blood will surely come upon the nations of this world .
And anything not complying to its inclusive peace , well
unable to buy or sell they will be and rounded up as well .
Man now has great power , enough to destroy himself as well as the world .
This world has about zero idea of what it has made its bed with .
The inclusive god and its ecumencal lets all be one , will soon become
CRUSADES of conform or die .