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I have to be very deliberate to make myself go to the bathroom even if I don't feel the need. I'm almost always not given the physical cue bc of a disconnect trained into me from very young. Do you notice things like this with any of your clients?
Yes.

Both urination and defecation triggers (no pun intended, it's the right word) originate from physical stretch receptors in your organs, nervous system reflexes, and psychological cues. They signal your brain when your bladder or bowels are full or need to empty. We can all relate that a degree of "relaxation" is necessary to eliminate. But which alter would be running (pun intended) the show? There can be multiple memories to work through with even some of the simple more routine tasks (like elimination), and such memories are often strong and run deep.

Plus, there are sensory triggers, like hearing running water, stepping into the shower, or putting your house key in the front door (and many others that aren't appropriate to mention here) that can trick the nervous system into signaling a sudden need to go (or, not to go). Also, fight-or-flight. Stress, anxiety, or the release of adrenaline (such as during a fight-or-flight response) speeds up the need for the bathroom.
 
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I was thinking about that "time" aspect again, the manipulation of it, after reviewing the thread. I think it was what @lilygrace had posted that stuck with me:
People who dissociate can function fairly well.
I think that is why I loved school because i could keep track of time..
Time is a gift - another quality of life that too many take for granted.

For 3 years, I was involved in a prison ministry here at NZ (Waikeria Prison), up until covid and the prisoners burning it. My route to the prison always took me past a storefront (Clock World) that had one of those Salvador Dali-style melting clocks attached to the building. (The business has since been shut, like so many others in this post-economic time). But here it is today. Notice the "melted" clock on the side wall, melting down from the roof and over the side.

Ohaupo melting clock 2.png

The ubiquitous societal mind control programming is on display, right here in our face, but very few understand it. The manipulation of time, the distortion of time, is critical to destabilize us. Joe Bloggs enters into a "dream state" when he perceives that time has been suspended. Survivors here recognize that state as dissociative. Retailers (and advertisers) would luv us to "dream a little dream" so they can get us to open our wallets/pocketbooks without our overt awareness.

When we build upon a lie, the result is never more truth. The enemy wants us to be walking in dishonor at all times and thus remain powerless.
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Yes.

Both urination and defecation triggers (no pun intended, it's the right word) originate from physical stretch receptors in your organs, nervous system reflexes, and psychological cues. They signal your brain when your bladder or bowels are full or need to empty. We can all relate that a degree of "relaxation" is necessary to eliminate. But which alter would be running (pun intended) the show? There can be multiple memories to work through with even some of the simple more routine tasks (like elimination), and such memories are often strong and run deep.

Plus, there are sensory triggers, like hearing running water, stepping into the shower, or putting your house key in the front door (and many others that aren't appropriate to mention here) that can trick the nervous system into signaling a sudden need to go (or, not to go). Also, fight-or-flight. Stress, anxiety, or the release of adrenaline (such as during a fight-or-flight response) speeds up the need for the bathroom.
Yes, all of that makes sense. Very relevant. And too, there are tortures ...and training for alters not to want, not to need, and only be allowed to eat, or defecate when their handler says they can. And then there is simply the issue of being so disconnect d from the body that one doesn't feel the signals, or have a concept of the needs of the body.

I had a mix of all of this.

Then, there are "bathroom" traumas ...for me, there was a severe aversion to bathrooms because of a trauma that happened at age two when I was potty training. I remember being in the living room and feeling the need to urinate. I ran to the bathroom and lifted the seat. And as I was going to sit down, the lid fell back down ...at that precise time, my dad jumped out from the linen closet and frightened me. I had an accident on the lid and the floor. Years later, I remembered what happened afterward ...on the bathroom floor. (severe s*xual trauma)

I never understood why I always felt compelled to check closets, cabinets, and to pull the shower curtain back every time I went to the bathroom. I always felt watched. Even taking showers was hard for me. I was afraid that someone would pop in on me and get me. It made sense after those memories came back. I don't have those triggers anymore.
 

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@doctrox I'm feeling compelled to write more about my experiences. It's good for me. It slso breaks the shame off more ...and is good for discussion and helping sincere believers understand survivors more, and hopefully gives more validation for survivors who are reading.
 

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there are tortures ...and training for alters not to want, not to need, and only be allowed to eat, or defecate when their handler says they can. And then there is simply the issue of being so disconnect d from the body that one doesn't feel the signals, or have a concept of the needs of the body.
That sums it perfectly.
 

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@doctrox I'm feeling compelled to write more about my experiences. It's good for me. It slso breaks the shame off more ...and is good for discussion and helping sincere believers understand survivors more, and hopefully gives more validation for survivors who are reading.
I knew someone whose mother scared the crap out of him when he was about 4 years old.

One day, he asked his mom, Lucy, for a drink of water, while dad was at work.

His mom suddenly looked different and proclaimed, “I’m not your mother. Lucy’s gone. I’m here now.”

She then chased him around the livingroom as he cried in horror.

He said he was going to tell his daddy when he got home from work, and his mom said he better not.

He did tell his daddy, but his dad just laughed and told him to stop talking so silly. Mom of course denied it.

I think he said this happened several times.

After his dad scoffed, he never brought it up again, but he remained very distant from his parents and did not like them as people. He also could never fit in anywhere, had few friends, and they were outcasts, too.

One of the saddest stories I ever encountered.

Seems like a trauma-induction mental torture technique.
 
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I knew someone whose mother scared the crap out of him when he was about 4 years old.
This is far more significant than we realize.

A devil (aka demon) can "jump into" someone who has been frightened. It is especially likely if the person doing the frightening is the one who is in authority over the other. In your example, this can happen to the child whether or not the "mother" actually manifests her devil(s).
 

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I knew someone whose mother scared the crap out of him when he was about 4 years old.

One day, he asked his mom, Lucy, for a drink of water, while dad was at work.

His mom suddenly looked different and proclaimed, “I’m not your mother. Lucy’s gone. I’m here now.”

She then chased him around the livingroom as he cried in horror.

He said he was going to tell his daddy when he got home from work, and his mom said he better not.

He did tell his daddy, but his dad just laughed and told him to stop talking so silly. Mom of course denied it.

I think he said this happened several times.

After his dad scoffed, he never brought it up again, but he remained very distant from his parents and did not like them as people. He also could never fit in anywhere, had few friends, and they were outcasts, too.

One of the saddest stories I ever encountered.

Seems like a trauma-induction mental torture technique.
That's so hard for a child! It sounds like she had DID (dissociative identity disorder) which would have been the result of some severe ongoing trauma in her childhood. It sounds like an alter personality moved forward who didn't see herself as his mother. So later, when her front part was back out front, she wouldn't remember having said and done those things.

There's a possibility there was more going on (such as MK and SRA) but sadistic childhood trauma is enough to create alter personalities.
 

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How does the control come about?

This sounds like some Fritz Springmeier type of stuff.
The bigger picture is the understanding that there is a sophisticated application being utilized by satanic higher powers to accomplish what the majority have already been conditioned to dismiss.

The following is what Fritz had to say about it:

Devils (for familiarity purposes, we’ll call them demons for now) are attracted by the "scent" of people. We are made in the image of God, and we are attractive prey to those who hate God Almighty. Cities are magnets for demons. When demons target a person or people, a common tactic is to make trouble for the person. When a person’s problems reach a crescendo, they will be in a state of mind to grab any solution that is passing by. People then make pacts with demonic forces. They sell their souls hoping for relief from their problems. All this is clear as a bell to the spiritually enlightened, but the demonic forces are able to dull the senses of their victims to the point they no longer have the slightest realization that they have sold their souls. People make a choice to accept the falsehood offered by the demons for their relief, rather than stick with the truth which seems to hurt. The demonic lies may be that colds and flus are caused by evil spirits--when in reality they are caused by viruses and bacteria. Or the opposite type of lie may be given--that demonic forces have no influence over disease, that only viruses and bacteria exist.

In Africa, modern medicine is often viewed as White Man’s magic, because they fight disease with incantations that the demons have taught them to use to cure their problems. Authority to demons is transferred to them by festivals, ceremonies and pilgrimages. Strong demonic manifestations usually occur around festivals, ceremonies, rituals and pilgrimages which are being done everyday around the world. These ceremonies and rituals are welcome mats for demonic forces giving them the right to rule. Every area of the world has them. And often demonic signs and wonders occur at these rituals and ceremonies.

The power of a lie has to be preserved and fueled by tradition, which is manifested via rituals. Without tradition, the power of the lie would die out. If the tradition is being rejected by a people, the demons often augment it with "new" deceptions. The first lie doesn’t stand a chance. The pre-existing bondage then is strengthened by new deceptions that seem more appropriate.

If you were asked now, "HOW DOES SATAN ENSLAVE PEOPLE?" you should know the answer because it was just given it to you. The answer is Satan’s control is trauma-based. A trauma is applied to the lives of people (OK City, 9/11, all wars, ad nauseum). They reach out for some type of answer to the trauma, and the demons offer some type of answer--so many Hail Mary's, or so many sacrificed cats, or pray to some idol which is a disguised demon. The lies are turned into myths which the people believe. The myths are a blurring of reality that the people on one level may know are false, but their minds can’t break loose of the power of the lie. The power of the myths is fueled by tradition and demonic manifestations and demonic attacks.

Anyone who steps outside of the demonic lie is attacked. The people feel they are being personally attacked when their traditions are ignored. Because a people has willingly sacrificed the truth for the falsehood in their need for relief from their trauma, they have chosen to be deceived. This choice to be deceived has a great deal of spiritual power to it. They are no longer truth-lovers. It is not enough to come to these people with the truth. They have rejected the truth. They must at some point will to seek the truth again. These people can have all the proof shown to them about the truth, and they will continue to reject it. Their demonic bondage needs to be broken somehow. This bondage can be broken in a number of ways. Pointing out the inadequacies of the lies is sometimes sufficient to break the demonic spell over people. But after the lies are broken, they need to be followed by the truth--and the love of truth. - Fritz Springmeier

It's good for me. It slso breaks the shame off more...
Possession is the ultimate goal of the programmers by creating lots of dishonour so when the time comes to make that decision, the person, already made to feel worthless and unloved, and bubbling over with a multitude of devils (and/or alters!), will simply acquiesce to the dark side.
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Dunno, haven't checked that. But I have always highly suspected that Mark was/is Cathy's handler (she's still being accessed).
I decided to quote you here (from the other thread) so I don't derail the other thread.
Cathy O'Brien and I have a lot in common. She had Michael Aquino as a programmer, as did I. He wasn't the only programmer involved, but I was related to him and his wife, so I suppose he saw me as a special project. Many of my earliest memories were of military bases (above and underground) with him. I remember specifically walking through a military building, through the halls on my way to the cafeteria. Grown-ups were smiling and greeting me by name. I came to the counter to be served food and my head wasn't even over the counter. I must have been 3 or 4 years old. I felt important ...but that was always a set-up. You don't get that "importance" without severe trauma.

Anyways, about Cathy ...she mentioned the Clintons as well ...lo, and behold, they were some of my handlers. And the same "mutilation" that they did to Cathy, they did to me .....an "episiotomy" from hell. When I gave birth to my second daughter (home birth) my midwife saw what they did and it sickened her. She snipped away what they left behind when they sewed up the episiotomy from hell, to try to fix some of the damage. I'm trying not to be too graphic. (There's a reason they mutilated me and sewed me up a specific way.) I'm grateful I had a midwife who could validate what I remember.
 
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(There's a reason they mutilated me and sewed me up a specific way.) I'm grateful I had a midwife who could validate what I remember.
One reason is that ....pleasure isn't allowed, except to be accompanied by pain. Idk why I'm sharing so much ...maybe more of a resolve.
 
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God, please help us!!!
I must always remember to do more of thisView attachment 93032 and less of thisView attachment 93033
I think you can do both, brother ....righteous anger, and prayer .....God can use that! And as a survivor, it is validating ....and I think other survivors feel the same. No one was our protector when these things happened. It's good to see men with the heart of God.
 
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I think you can do both, brother ....righteous anger, and prayer .....God can use that! And as a survivor, it is validating ....and I think other survivors feel the same. No one was our protector when these things happened. It's good to see men with the heart of God.
I edited and added more.... God bless you, brother @doctrox ❤️
 
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Yeah, standard, like their double bind diabolical deeds.
TRIGGER WARNING for survivors who may be reading....

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I had soooooo many alters who invited pain, or who believed they deserved pain, and ones who felt that pain was good.

Some parts/alters who believed that they had to take pain/be hurt because if it wasn't them, then it would be someone else (to be hurt).

Inviting those parts to hear truth from Jesus brought freedom to them. God has brought so much healing to my brokenness. He's such a GOOD Father!!!
 
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